Pioneer done making tv's

[Duds]

This is awful, just awful news. I'm glad i got my 5020 when i did.

[Ajani]

Here's a link:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/159085/report_pioneer_to_leave_tv_market_spin_off_dvd_ope rations.html

[JSE]

That sucks. I hate the see any company close up shop partially or completely. I wonder if this includes their receivers as well? I have always been impressed by their AV units. Lot of bang for the buck. I just bought a Pioener 1018 for my father this last Christmas.

*** BTW, I predict a "Pix Rant" soon along the lines of: See I told you Plasma was dead and Pioneer got what they deserved for backing a dead technology.

[Duds]

Yeah i know, pix can go ***** himself too. Hopefully it wont be long before Sh*tzio folds.


I'm glad I got probably the 3rd best TV ever when i did, only behind the Pioneer Elites.



That sucks. I hate the see any company close up shop partially or completely. I wonder if this includes their receivers as well? I have always been impressed by their AV units. Lot of bang for the buck. I just bought a Pioener 1018 for my father this last Christmas.

*** BTW, I predict a "Pix Rant" soon along the lines of: See I told you Plasma was dead and Pioneer got what they deserved for backing a dead technology.

[Woochifer]

Ouch! Brutal time to be in the CE biz -- Panasonic, Toshiba, Hitachi, and Sony all announced projections for losses in the billions this year.

It's not even a plasma/LCD issue given that Pioneer already had plans to introduce LCD sets this year (wonder how Sharp feels about taking an ownership stake in Pioneer now). Now, they are exiting the TV and DVD player business altogether. It a sad day for consumers because Pioneer was one of the performance leaders in both categories.

The economic downturn has decimated the upper end of many markets, and Pioneer never competed on price. Anyone who wants the top performing TVs on the market now needs to get their hands on one of the Pioneers before they disappear.

[pixelthis]

Pioneer is DEAD.
And it wasnt a factor, but backing the wrong tech didnt help.
PANASONIC is gonna buy the carcass, it will hang around awhile,
then the historic will happen, this vernerable company that has been around forever,
whose receivers helped popularize audio in the seventies, will be gone.
And they wont be the last.
Main problem, they cheaped out their main line of receivers, and in an attempt to
get some "street cred" back, came out with the elite line of products,
which were too high line for most.
And the people who could afford Elite, WHY?
FOR THOSE PRICES YOU COULD GET TRULY high end gear.
In the ensuing storm thats coming, get ready to see the passing of some names that
have been a part of your life foever, only the strong will surrive.
Pioneer is just the first.:1:

[pixelthis]

Yeah i know, pix can go ***** himself too. Hopefully it wont be long before Sh*tzio folds.

Your plasma will do it for YOU
And Vizio will outlast your P.O.S by a wide margin


I'm glad I got probably the 3rd best TV ever when i did, only behind the Pioneer Elites.[/QUOTE]


We're no. 3! We're no 3?
Catchy.:1:

[Duds]

You're obviously too stupid to figure out what I meant.

Pioneer owns the top 3 spots when it comes to tv rankings....and that includes plasmas AND lcds.

your hunk of sh*t Vizio most likely doesnt even make the top 50


Your plasma will do it for YOU
And Vizio will outlast your P.O.S by a wide margin


I'm glad I got probably the 3rd best TV ever when i did, only behind the Pioneer Elites.


We're no. 3! We're no 3?
Catchy.:1:[/QUOTE]

[pixelthis]

You're obviously too stupid to figure out what I meant.

Pioneer owns the top 3 spots when it comes to tv rankings....and that includes plasmas AND lcds.

your hunk of sh*t Vizio most likely doesnt even make the top 50




We're no. 3! We're no 3?
Catchy.:1:[/QUOTE]

Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.:1:

[Duds]

Just shows how little you know. the tv i bought has has zero panasonic in it, period. the next generation was going to have Panny glass.

go enjoy your Fisher Price tv.....




Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.:1:[/QUOTE]

[pixelthis]

Just shows how little you know. the tv i bought has has zero panasonic in it, period. the next generation was going to have Panny glass.

go enjoy your Fisher Price tv.....



Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.
Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.
YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many
(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.
Which you WILL need , assmonkey.:1:[/QUOTE]

PIONEER is an audio company, they have always relied on OEM for video products.
But dont sweat it, panasonic is a good company, even tho you bought one by your own ignorance.:1:

[Duds]

well congrats to an audio company for making the best TVs you can buy, LOL!!!

and even though you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground, my pioneer is a pioneer, even if it was a Panny, I'd still take a Panny plasma any day of the week over your Fischer Price toy.




PIONEER is an audio company, they have always relied on OEM for video products.
But dont sweat it, panasonic is a good company, even tho you bought one by your own ignorance.:1:[/QUOTE]

[Rich-n-Texas]

well congrats to an audio company for making the best TVs you can buy, LOL!!!

and even though you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground, my pioneer is a pioneer, even if it was a Panny, I'd still take a Panny plasma any day of the week over your Fischer Price toy.
:lol:

Great stuff Duds!

Pix, you're a dumbass.

[Groundbeef]

I have 2 Pioneer Plasmas. Neither are Pannys. Although, as others have said, I would rather a Panny, than the Aldi Special (Vizio).

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california-metro-areas/4064638-1.html

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it.) Nice.

"The company's tactic: strip down sets to their most basic components and work closely with stores-mostly warehouse clubs-on prices."

"As with cheap monitors, Vizio is going after volume."

Those are quotes from their Marketing Dept. Nice to be chasing the same market as cheap monitors.

This is another article dealing with Vizio:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6562112.html

"Schindler said we really believe in plasma technology and think it has some advantages over LCD, even though in the retail environment plasma will glare more with the light," he said. "We want to keep plasma alive and keep a good balance."

Isn't that interesting? Vizio contends that Plasma has some advantages over LCD. I guess that they forgot to send pix the memo. What a dork.

[JSE]

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it. Nice.

Are we talking about Vizio or Bose here? :yikes:

That's gotta hurt a little there Pix. :yesnod:

[Luvin Da Blues]

I'm sure he'll point out that he owns a Vizio LCD not a plasma. Not sure why you guys bother trying to edumacate him tho. :17:

[Woochifer]

Vizio is the NUMBER ONE maker of LCD and other flat panels.

Old info. Vizio was only #1 for one quarter in 2007. Sony and Samsung have been trading the #1 spot for the past year and a half. Vizio is currently tied for #3 with Sharp.


Pioneer is the ZERO maker of ANY kind of TV as they have just gotten out of the business.

As others have pointed out, Pioneers rank among the top rated TVs on the market. They are still making TVs right now, since there has yet to be any official announcement.


YEAH, if they make such "great" TV sets then why did they fail to sell that many

Because their sets cost more to make, and have a higher price than competing models. Pioneer's issue was cost containment on the production side, which is why they were preparing to go with Panny and Sharp as their new OEM suppliers. They were no different than a high end audio company that produces high quality components in low quantity. Are you now saying that "great" products are limited to those that sell millions of units? If volume equals greatness, then I guess you must LOVE Bose, right?


(except to the clueless such as yourself, who buys into the propaaganda)
Basically your set is a panasonic, that is the OEM, a few tweaks maybe but basically a
panasonic, which should help in finding parts for your orphan.

Actually, you're the clueless one, given that Pioneer hasn't even started using plasma panels from Panasonic. Their financial issues stem from the fact that they own their production facilities, and those facilities are too inefficient and low volume to operate profitably, compared to Panasonic, Samsung, and LG.

[pixelthis]

:lol:

Great stuff Duds!

Pix, you're a dumbass.


WHICH puts me about 50 I.Q points above you
You spend blu prices on a DVD player and call me a dumbass?:1:

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Woochifer]Old info. Vizio was only #1 for one quarter in 2007. Sony and Samsung have been trading the #1 spot for the past year and a half. Vizio is currently tied for #3 with Sharp.


Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)


As others have pointed out, Pioneers rank among the top rated TVs on the market. They are still making TVs right now, since there has yet to be any official announcement.

IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.





Because their sets cost more to make, and have a higher price than competing models. Pioneer's issue was cost containment on the production side, which is why they were preparing to go with Panny and Sharp as their new OEM suppliers. They were no different than a high end audio company that produces high quality components in low quantity. Are you now saying that "great" products are limited to those that sell millions of units? If volume equals greatness, then I guess you must LOVE Bose, right?

If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.
Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.
Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.




Actually, you're the clueless one, given that Pioneer hasn't even started using plasma panels from Panasonic. Their financial issues stem from the fact that they own their production facilities, and those facilities are too inefficient and low volume to operate profitably, compared to Panasonic, Samsung, and LG.

BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?:1:

[pixelthis]

I have 2 Pioneer Plasmas. Neither are Pannys. Although, as others have said, I would rather a Panny, than the Aldi Special (Vizio).

I was reading this article about Vizio and their business model. Some highlights:

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california-metro-areas/4064638-1.html

"One of the company's biggest costs is advertising, according to Schindler, vice president of marketing and operations." (Notice that advertising costs are higher than component costs. IE sell ****, but advertise the heck out of it.) Nice.

"The company's tactic: strip down sets to their most basic components and work closely with stores-mostly warehouse clubs-on prices."

"As with cheap monitors, Vizio is going after volume."

Those are quotes from their Marketing Dept. Nice to be chasing the same market as cheap monitors.

This is another article dealing with Vizio:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6562112.html

"Schindler said we really believe in plasma technology and think it has some advantages over LCD, even though in the retail environment plasma will glare more with the light," he said. "We want to keep plasma alive and keep a good balance."

Isn't that interesting? Vizio contends that Plasma has some advantages over LCD. I guess that they forgot to send pix the memo. What a dork.


AND LETS SEEEE.
WHO are YOU?
oh, yeah, AFTER A 2700$ meltdown of YOU'RE plasma POS you were stupid enough to BUY ANOTHER ONE!!!
WHY the crap should anyone listen to anything you have to say?

Attack VIZIO all you want, quote things out of context ALL DAY LONG.
You cant beat reality, and the reality IS that plasma is a flawed form factor.
A "DEAD" FLAWED FORM FACTOR.:1:

[pixelthis]

Are we talking about Vizio or Bose here? :yikes:

That's gotta hurt a little there Pix. :yesnod:

nothing the nimrods on this site say bother me a bit.
Its like a bunch of boobs with square wheels making fun of the guy with round ones.
Plasma is a fundamentally flawed tech, and the only question is can the industry
sell enough units to break even to enough idiots before word gets out.
Plasma will be nowhere to be found in five years except attics and yard sales.
TRUST ME ON THIS ONE:1:

[Groundbeef]

AND LETS SEEEE.
WHO are YOU?
oh, yeah, AFTER A 2700$ meltdown of YOU'RE plasma POS you were stupid enough to BUY ANOTHER ONE!!!
WHY the crap should anyone listen to anything you have to say?

Attack VIZIO all you want, quote things out of context ALL DAY LONG.
You cant beat reality, and the reality IS that plasma is a flawed form factor.
A "DEAD" FLAWED FORM FACTOR.:1:

They were not out of context. Read the articles, I gave both sources. They are pretty short, so it shouldn't take too much time.

And, as far as my TV that died, are you contending that there is NO Vizio TV (LCD or Plasma) that had NEVER died?

And if Plasma is so bad, why is your beloved bottom feeder shilling both Plasma AND LCD?

There really isn't much more to say. Vizio "belives" in Plasma. They make Plasma. They see Plasma as a key to their business model. So it must just be you.:yikes:

[Rich-n-Texas]

WHICH puts me about 50 I.Q points above you
You spend blu prices on a DVD player and call me a dumbass?:1:
Yes. You ARE a dumbass. Show me a new, in the box "blu" that costs $169. And remember, I don't shop at Odd Lot's or your employer, Wal-mart.

As long as you hang here for no other reason than to stir up the pot and attempt to put some very knowlegable in a bad light, I'll continue to call you as I and many other here see you. You got your shtick, I got mine pix.

[audio amateur]

My best friend's dad bought a Samsung plazma in 2002. Still going strong :)

[Rich-n-Texas]

A co-worker bought his Pioneer plasma in 2001. It's still going strong as well.

Anybody can predict a change in technology 5 years down the road. Not only is that NBD, but it doesn't mean the technology won't be on the shelf 5 years after that change. Like I said pix...

[JSE]

nothing the nimrods on this site say bother me a bit.
Its like a bunch of boobs with square wheels making fun of the guy with round ones.
Plasma is a fundamentally flawed tech, and the only question is can the industry
sell enough units to break even to enough idiots before word gets out.
Plasma will be nowhere to be found in five years except attics and yard sales.
TRUST ME ON THIS ONE:1:


Yeah, but I am not the one who owns the Bose equivalent of a TV. LCD vs. Plasma aside, it's all about marketing to people who don't know any better.

Just go ahead and buy the Bose 123 system now and get it over with.

[Duds]

I've seen a Runco tv, and although very nice, I'd take a Pioneer elite over it any day of the week.


[QUOTE]


Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)



IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.






If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.
Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.
Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.





BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?:1:

[Woochifer]

Vizio was #1 for a lot longer than PIONEER, (how long was that ? OH, they never were)

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.



IS that why they cant sell any?
ACTUALLY the real reason they cant sell any, and that is they have PLASMA
only, and there are only so many dumbasses in teh world who would buy plasma.

Actually, they already sell LCDs in Europe. Their market has always been niche focused because their price points are higher than the rest of the market.


If "vollume" equals "greatness " then you ass would be the greatest thing on earth.

Judging from the number of six-packs that you imbue, I doubt that my posterior print is larger than yours.


Companies like Runco have no problem selling high end.

And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's


Problem with Pioneer is they sold out to the mass market long ago with their plastic
toy receivers, no way they could convince anybody that they produce quality gear.

People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost. They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.


BUT by all means go ahead and buy a product from a company that cant even plan
a product cycle and produce and sell a product at a decent price point.
Speaks highly of them that they cant turn out a product at a decent price point.
AND who asked you anyway?:1:

:out:

[pixelthis]

They were not out of context. Read the articles, I gave both sources. They are pretty short, so it shouldn't take too much time.

And, as far as my TV that died, are you contending that there is NO Vizio TV (LCD or Plasma) that had NEVER died?

And if Plasma is so bad, why is your beloved bottom feeder shilling both Plasma AND LCD?

There really isn't much more to say. Vizio "belives" in Plasma. They make Plasma. They see Plasma as a key to their business model. So it must just be you.:yikes:


Thats why they just quit MAKING PLASMA.
EVERYBODY makes misteps from time to time, glad they caught theirs.:1:

[pixelthis]

Yeah, but I am not the one who owns the Bose equivalent of a TV. LCD vs. Plasma aside, it's all about marketing to people who don't know any better.

Like the insane marketing going on , trying to get pinheads to buy plasmas based on snob appeal.


Just go ahead and buy the Bose 123 system now and get it over with.

Just go ahead and marry your cousin and get it over with.:1:

[pixelthis]

Only if you're more concerned about quantity than quality. Pioneers have been top rated for picture quality a helluva lot more frequently than Vizios.

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?







And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.



People who care about VIDEO quality are the consumers who buy the Pioneers, even though they often cost nearly double what other TVs with identical paper specs cost.

Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world




They don't care about Pioneer's reputation with AUDIO equipment, since that's irrelevant to what Pioneer produces on the VIDEO side.

Finally got something right.
But then again everything is irrelevant to pioneers video displays, since they dont make em any more.:1:


:out:[/QUOTE]

[Woochifer]

Which means nothing if you're outta business.
I can make a super high q set that will beat anything,
but who will buy it for a few million bucks?

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?


And their sales volumes are a LOT lower than Pioneer's

NOT ANY MORE, as PIONEERS IS ZERO

You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.


Runco can market a big ticket item, Pioneer cant, cheap plastic receivers they excel at, however.

And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.


Yeah, go ahead and pay double for an identical set, and they wonder why they cant sell TV sets, guess there are only so many idiots in the world

They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality. :out:

[pixelthis]

Yuh right. Your definition of quality is entirely contingent on price and you don't even calibrate your TVs, so what would you know about "super high q"?

A LOT MORE than you apparently.
A 2000p set is perfectly feasible, so why cant you buy one?
Price is always a consideration unless you're a plutocrat.
I would like to have a 50" LCD with a variable LED backlight, but at four grand it aint gonna happen.
THERE WAS A LINK I POSTED about a blog on CNET, there were a hundred replies.
Almost all said that the slight PQ increase of the Pioneer sets werent worth the money.
If you think money is no object, and engineer your product accordingly, the real world will
educate you in a hurry





You must have flunked grammar when they covered tense. Pioneer's sales ARE not zero, given that they haven't officially exited the TV business yet. Try shopping at a store other than Walmart sometime. Pioneers are still in stock at Best Buy and other stores.

SELLING at closeout prices!!!
Wont be beating anybody in sales either


And Runco doesn't make their own panels either.

A lot of people dont, whats your point?
Do you know how wastefull it would be if everybody made everything that goes into their product?
A 2500 buck LINN CD PLAYER has a Sony drive, so whats your point(except the one at the top of your head)?



They're only identical to you because you use a 20-year old battery powered 5" LCD TV as your benchmark for picture quality. :out:

Keep repeating that nonsense, you look sillier every time you do.:1:

[Woochifer]

A LOT MORE than you apparently.
A 2000p set is perfectly feasible, so why cant you buy one?
Price is always a consideration unless you're a plutocrat.
I would like to have a 50" LCD with a variable LED backlight, but at four grand it aint gonna happen.

In other words, you were lying when you claimed that YOU could design one. :out:


THERE WAS A LINK I POSTED about a blog on CNET, there were a hundred replies.
Almost all said that the slight PQ increase of the Pioneer sets werent worth the money.

Obviously, more people like you who spend too much time at Walmart.


If you think money is no object, and engineer your product accordingly, the real world will
educate you in a hurry

And for the people who want the best TV that they can buy at any price, the Pioneers are the way to go, since they are still readily available.

SELLING at closeout prices!!!
Wont be beating anybody in sales either

What closeout? They haven't even been officially discontinued yet.


A lot of people dont, whats your point?
Do you know how wastefull it would be if everybody made everything that goes into their product?

And the point is that Runco sets sell for a LOT more than Pioneer, and at a much lower volume. Yet, you cite them as some success story. The thing about Runco is that they primarily make front projector systems anyway, which don't need the huge facility investment that flat panel manufacturing requires.


A 2500 buck LINN CD PLAYER has a Sony drive, so whats your point(except the one at the top of your head)?

And the process for manufacturing a flat panel is far more labor intensive than for a CD drive. The technology that goes into the Linn is primarily with the processing circuitry and the overengineering on the chassis.


Keep repeating that nonsense, you look sillier every time you do.:1:

It's silly only because it's true. I don't know anyone else who idolizes the purported picture quality of a 5" battery powered LCD the way that you do! :out:

[pixelthis]

In other words, you were lying when you claimed that YOU could design one. :out:



Obviously, more people like you who spend too much time at Walmart.



And for the people who want the best TV that they can buy at any price, the Pioneers are the way to go, since they are still readily available.


What closeout? They haven't even been officially discontinued yet.



And the point is that Runco sets sell for a LOT more than Pioneer, and at a much lower volume. Yet, you cite them as some success story. The thing about Runco is that they primarily make front projector systems anyway, which don't need the huge facility investment that flat panel manufacturing requires.



And the process for manufacturing a flat panel is far more labor intensive than for a CD drive. The technology that goes into the Linn is primarily with the processing circuitry and the overengineering on the chassis.



It's silly only because it's true. I don't know anyone else who idolizes the purported picture quality of a 5" battery powered LCD the way that you do! :out:

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, an entire post with nothing but insults, lies and propaganda,
absolutely NOTHING worth responding to.
Want to know the difference between a plasma fanboy and those who buy LCD?
You will STILL be able to buy an LCD in five years:1:

[Woochifer]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, an entire post with nothing but insults, lies and propaganda,
absolutely NOTHING worth responding to.

In other words, you were LYING when you claimed that you could "make a super high q set that will beat anything"! Another one of your typical copout posts. :out:


Want to know the difference between a plasma fanboy and those who buy LCD?
You will STILL be able to buy an LCD in five years:1:

In five years, LCD will be headed to the off-brand scrap heap when newer screen techs, like OLED, that don't have LCD's PQ drawbacks begin to come down to more affordable price levels. Might as well just declare LCD DEAD right now. :1: