plasma is DEAD...part deux

[pixelthis]

WELL, since my last thread received such "positive " response , just thought I would post an update on the next eight track tape player...PLASMA TV FORM FACTOR.
Saw a few 720p in Walmart during my last drug run, no 1080p.
Saw two 1080p in Sams.
They continue to cost more than LCD, makes sense, they cost more to make.
Sad development, DLP seems out the door.
Anyway there is news on the display wars, another nail in Plasmas coffin.
Its called LED.
This is an interim feature that will drive a stake into the heart of plasma for good.
As the death of RPTV and DLP demonstrate, peeps want flat MONITORS.
Well, the next best thang, LED backlights will help that greatly.
Not only do these promise a better black level and color purity than plasma, they promise a thinner screen.
As thin as a half an inch.
WHY IS THIN important? I dunno , but a LED backlight LCD looks impressive, and the picture is to DIE for.
THIS WILL BE UNTIL OLED gets its boots on the ground properly.
You can talk aboout a 30% increase in plasma sales, LCD still outsells it.
AND IN A YEAR or two, thin LCD sets with LED backlights, lasting even longer than models with flourescent models and more efficent, its gonna be all but over for plasma
No reason to buy one, amd if they cant compete now, just wait a year.
Its gonna be BLOODY.
Speaking of which, getcha brickbats, rotten tomatoes, etc ready.
Doesnt matter....
PLASMA IS DEAD!!!

[pixelthis]

And In Case You Didnt Get The Message...:1:

[RoadRunner6]

SPAM

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[Rich-n-Texas]

Maybe just a little one?

[Groundbeef]

I don't agree RR. I'm not a big fan of the Plasma is Dead threads other than they are cobbled together with anecdotal "evidence", ill-concived notions, and the ramblings of a guy with a vendetta against Plasma.

But I don't think that it is "Spam". There are plenty of threads that invite heated arguments. Are you going to close down every thread in speakers that are about wire? Or every thread in recievers that are pro-Bose, or Anti-Bose? If you don't like the topic or the host, don't post.

And pix, you are a nut.

[GMichael]

And pix, you are a nut.

With a loose screw as well.:shocked:

[Duds]

I love how he continues to say plasmas cost more, even after I and a few others have posted many examples to prove that theory wrong.

[Ajani]

PLASMA IS DEAD!!!

And? What's your point?

Several years ago I bought a 52 inch Panasonic LCD Rear Projection TV... I knew full well at the time that the tech would not last, as the move was obviously towards ultra-thin wall mountable TVs.... But I bought the Panny anyway with no regrets.... The reason was simple: back then if I wanted a LCD Flat Panel, I would have paid the same price for a 32 inch one or a 37 inch Plasma as I did for the 52 Inch LCD projection... Since I could care less about mounting the TV on the wall, the Panny was a far better value for money...

My point is that it doesn't matter whether the TV tech will eventually be replaced... if it offers you what you want for your money, then buy it...

[Rich-n-Texas]

A co-worker's Pioneer Plasma is 9 years old. I watched football games on it Saturday and the color and clarity were just fine for a 720p HDTV.

[bobsticks]

They continue to cost more than LCD, makes sense, they cost more to make.

Whatchu talkembout Willis?...my neighbor bought a 42-inch 1080p Panny plasma yesterday for 8 bones.


AND IN A YEAR or two, thin LCD sets with LED backlights, lasting even longer than models with flourescent models and more efficent, its gonna be all but over for plasma
No reason to buy one, amd if they cant compete now, just wait a year.
Its gonna be BLOODY

So, if you're in the market for a TV today you should wait a couple years for maybe LED to become viable. Of course by then you'll be advcocating that folks wait another few years for the ghost of OLED to be affordable without a government bailout. One can only imagine the havoc you'll wreak with the phrase "LED is dead.", all the while thinking it's clever.

Is plasma dying? Sure just like you and me, the WHO G64 and, apparently, the public school system. With a 30% increase in sales, a more affordable price tag, and a superior picture quality, plasma is more like the Southern Sea Otter, if we're gonna make Endangered Species list analogies. It's clearly the best buy unless your goal is to continuously rationalize a series of lowest common denominator purchases.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Ya know pix, just about everybody here now has you pretty much figured out. Nevertheless, your provocations stimulate great educational replies, so :thumbsup: to you.

[GMichael]

True. He does spout off a lot of half truths, propaganda and flat out lies, but his posts do get the more knowledgeable members here to step up and set the record straight. I've learned a lot from those who have been debunking his drivel.
Keep up the good work Pix. Part of me thinks you've been saying these things to purposely get to the truth.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh brother, here we go again. See this is what happens when you miss your daily dose of meds.

[Rich-n-Texas]

T., I've said this before... Some of your greatest work here is directly connected to the antagonism that is pixies style. Now, I said 'some' not all. I'm glad there haven't been any (many) political bruhahas, just as a for instance.

[Luvin Da Blues]

Ya know pix, just about everybody here now has you pretty much figured out. Nevertheless, your provocations stimulate great educational replies, so :thumbsup: to you.

Pix for Prez!!!! :yikes:

[RoadRunner6]

I don't agree RR. I'm not a big fan of the Plasma is Dead threads other than they are cobbled together with anecdotal "evidence", ill-concived notions, and the ramblings of a guy with a vendetta against Plasma.

But I don't think that it is "Spam". There are plenty of threads that invite heated arguments. Are you going to close down every thread in speakers that are about wire? Or every thread in recievers that are pro-Bose, or Anti-Bose? If you don't like the topic or the host, don't post.

And pix, you are a nut.

Gb, sorry, but you completely missed it. That was suppose to be a joke on the Pix. I was hoping my phony closed thread banner would cause everyone to pick up on the humor and simply not make any posts at all. That would have been the ultimate slam on Pix, not one post in response, would have sent him over the top, just complete dead silence would be the classic response. The spam remark was not seriuos but in response to his claiming that we are always spamming for plasma and Panasonic (get it?).

It is not the argumentative threads, they are fun. It is Pix and the repetitive nonsense. You guys are just playing into his hands. Here we go again, a page after page rematch of the Pix and Boom-Boom Wooch duking it out all over again!

Oh well, at least I tried.

RR6

[Woochifer]

Oh boy, another PLASMA IS DEAD thread! Wassah mattah pixie, U not gettin' enuff attention at home that you gotta repeat yourself yet again? :rolleyes5:

Sounds like great news for Panasonic, Samsung, LG, and Pioneer, given that after the last time pixie declared plasma dead, plasma panel shipments GREW by more than 30+%! :lol:

In this economy, we should all be asking for our last rites from pixie -- we'd be gazillionaires by the time he's done spouting off! :out:

Pretty funny that pixie's harping on the price difference yet again, given that the sets priced competitively with 1080p plasmas are the 60 Hz CCFL-backlit LCD models that fall well short of the plasma sets' performance. Oh sure, the LED-backlit models might come down to the current plasma price levels in a year or two, but it's not like plasma TVs are a sitting target (that is unless you're like pixie and try to pass off 10-year old info about plasma TVs getting shipped in metal containers with 50% DOA rates)

Just last week at CES, Panasonic demoed a 0.33" thick plasma panel that reduces energy consumption by more than half, and more than doubles the maximum light output. Those sets are due out next year, while this year's new plasma lineup features a 1" thick panel that reduces average energy consumption by 30% while also boosting the maximum light output. Expect similar announcements from Samsung and LG. Dead technologies should all be this robust ... :cool:

P.S. Figures that pixie would get his "research" from a "drug run" to Walmart. :out:

[Woochifer]

That would have been the ultimate slam on Pix, not one post in response, would have sent him over the top, just complete dead silence would be the classic response.

Consider how unhinged he'd get if that were the case. We're all doing him a favor. :cool:


The spam remark was not seriuos but in response to his claiming that we are always spamming for plasma and Panasonic (get it?).

Actually, I think HE'S the one spamming for plasma and Panasonic considering how many people on this board bought plasma TVs after witnessing his Vizio LCD fanboidom in action! :lol:

[Woochifer]

Pix for Prez!!!! :yikes:

Y'mean of Canada? You guys can have him, the collective IQ of Alabama would really take off as a result! ... :cool:

[RoadRunner6]

Y'mean of Canada? You guys can have him, the collective IQ of Alabama would really take off as a result! ... :cool:

Oh my, I hope they don't rule that one a low blow.

[pixelthis]

I love how he continues to say plasmas cost more, even after I and a few others have posted many examples to prove that theory wrong.


NO "THEORY", just fact.
In a HHGREG flyer all of the plasmas were more than the lcds.
At walfart the plasmas were cheaper, but 720P.
IF a plasma is cheaper its being subsidized ...
THEY cost more to make.
And dont forget, TWICE as much to run, so over the (short) life of one they will burn more juice:1:

[pixelthis]

True. He does spout off a lot of half truths, propaganda and flat out lies, but his posts do get the more knowledgeable members here to step up and set the record straight. I've learned a lot from those who have been debunking his drivel.
Keep up the good work Pix. Part of me thinks you've been saying these things to purposely get to the truth.


My first post IS the truth old man.
LED LCD is going to be an interim to OLED.
Plasma sales are going to drop off of the floor(where they are already)
PLASMA IS DEAD.:1:

[pixelthis]

SPAM

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LET me get this straight, dillweed.
You post thread after thread talking about NOTHING but PANNY PLASMA TV SETS,
and you accuse ME of spamming?:1:

[pixelthis]

Gb, sorry, but you completely missed it. That was suppose to be a joke on the Pix. I was hoping my phony closed thread banner would cause everyone to pick up on the humor and simply not make any posts at all. That would have been the ultimate slam on Pix, not one post in response, would have sent him over the top, just complete dead silence would be the classic response. The spam remark was not seriuos but in response to his claiming that we are always spamming for plasma and Panasonic (get it?).

It is not the argumentative threads, they are fun. It is Pix and the repetitive nonsense. You guys are just playing into his hands. Here we go again, a page after page rematch of the Pix and Boom-Boom Wooch duking it out all over again!

Oh well, at least I tried.

RR6

YOUR AVATAR is incorrect, I am the road runner, YOU are willey going of of the cliff.:1:

[pixelthis]

Oh boy, another PLASMA IS DEAD thread! Wassah mattah pixie, U not gettin' enuff attention at home that you gotta repeat yourself yet again? :rolleyes5:

Sounds like great news for Panasonic, Samsung, LG, and Pioneer, given that after the last time pixie declared plasma dead, plasma panel shipments GREW by more than 30+%! :lol:

In this economy, we should all be asking for our last rites from pixie -- we'd be gazillionaires by the time he's done spouting off! :out:

Pretty funny that pixie's harping on the price difference yet again, given that the sets priced competitively with 1080p plasmas are the 60 Hz CCFL-backlit LCD models that fall well short of the plasma sets' performance. Oh sure, the LED-backlit models might come down to the current plasma price levels in a year or two, but it's not like plasma TVs are a sitting target (that is unless you're like pixie and try to pass off 10-year old info about plasma TVs getting shipped in metal containers with 50% DOA rates)

Just last week at CES, Panasonic demoed a 0.33" thick plasma panel that reduces energy consumption by more than half, and more than doubles the maximum light output. Those sets are due out next year, while this year's new plasma lineup features a 1" thick panel that reduces average energy consumption by 30% while also boosting the maximum light output. Expect similar announcements from Samsung and LG. Dead technologies should all be this robust ... :cool:

P.S. Figures that pixie would get his "research" from a "drug run" to Walmart. :out:


GEE, you outdone yourself this time, old fart.
You managed an entire post WITHOUT one SINGLE fact!
AT ALL!!!.
Tell ya what, you can paint that future paperweight of yours silver, use it as a mirrow to admire yourself.:1:

[pixelthis]

Oh brother, here we go again. See this is what happens when you miss your daily dose of meds.


you are what happened when your dad missed his meds long enough to find your mom attractive.:1:

[pixelthis]

Whatchu talkembout Willis?...my neighbor bought a 42-inch 1080p Panny plasma yesterday for 8 bones.



So, if you're in the market for a TV today you should wait a couple years for maybe LED to become viable. Of course by then you'll be advcocating that folks wait another few years for the ghost of OLED to be affordable without a government bailout. One can only imagine the havoc you'll wreak with the phrase "LED is dead.", all the while thinking it's clever.

Is plasma dying? Sure just like you and me, the WHO G64 and, apparently, the public school system. With a 30% increase in sales, a more affordable price tag, and a superior picture quality, plasma is more like the Southern Sea Otter, if we're gonna make Endangered Species list analogies. It's clearly the best buy unless your goal is to continuously rationalize a series of lowest common denominator purchases.



GEE , a highly intelligent, well thought out rational post!
Sure you are in the right place?
Actually I posted this thread for a reason, mainly that a big improvement in PQ in
LCD sets is about to happen.
The main reason plasma fanboys give for buying a plasma is PQ, they
JUST DONT GET IT.
You need mass sales to make a form factor work, and to most teh dim picture of a plasma far outweighs the very dim picture.
And now with LED backlight starting to get produced PQ will increase substantially.
There are those, like me, that like the LCD picture already.
Plasma is dim, undefined, soft focus CRAP IMHO.
Thanks for the nice post, anyway.:1:

[Duds]

Christ, do I really need to do this?

bestbuy.com today

Panasonic 46" 1080p plasama - $999 (on sale)

Sony 46" 1080p lcd - $1,999 (on sale)

Who is subsidizing the panny plasma Dicksie?


NO "THEORY", just fact.
In a HHGREG flyer all of the plasmas were more than the lcds.
At walfart the plasmas were cheaper, but 720P.
IF a plasma is cheaper its being subsidized ...
THEY cost more to make.
And dont forget, TWICE as much to run, so over the (short) life of one they will burn more juice:1:

[GMichael]

My first post IS the truth old man.
LED LCD is going to be an interim to OLED.
Plasma sales are going to drop off of the floor(where they are already)
PLASMA IS DEAD.:1:

Yo be a funny ars man.

[GMichael]

:out: :out: :out: :out: :out: :out:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...72009012646554



PANASONIC EXPANDS ITS AWARD WINNING LINE OF VIERA® Plasma HDTVs

Enhanced Features and Screen Sizes, Brighter Panels, Deeper Blacks And Full-Time 1080 TV Lines of Motion Picture Resolution Highlight 2009 VIERA Plasma HDTV Product Lines

Las Vegas, NV (January 7, 2009) – Panasonic Corporation of North America (NYSE: PC), the industry leader in high definition Plasma and LCD televisions, introduced its expanded line of VIERA HDTVs at the 2009 Consumer Electronics Show. Building upon its award winning portfolio of high definition televisions, Panasonic will broaden its offering in 2009 by introducing new screen sizes in both Plasma and LCD lines with a new 54-inch class plasma and 19-inch class LCD. In addition, VIERA will extend its unique technology features, such as the acclaimed VIERA CAST™ web menu, to additional model lines.



VIERA CAST, originally launched in 2008, will broaden its entertainment offering with the addition of Amazon’s VOD streaming video service. Panasonic also extended the prestigious THX® Certified Display to three product lines. With a continuing emphasis on improving the television’s performance and reducing the impact on the planet’s carbon footprint, Panasonic’s 2009 line of VIERA HDTVs have improved their energy efficiency vs. last year’s models, while also improving the overall picture performance of the HDTVs.



Year after year, Panasonic has been dedicated to bringing new picture improving technologies to HDTVs and 2009’s line-up continues that trend. With the digital transition on the horizon and an increased awareness among consumers of high definition, consumers now demand blacker blacks, faster response times and the billions of colors that Panasonic VIERA HDTVs deliver.



In 2008, Panasonic offered one VIERA HDTV series that had innovative internet enabled VIERA CAST feature. In 2009, it will be extended to three series – The Z1 series, the V10 series and the G10 series. In addition to the continuation of such favorite entertainment sites as Google’s YouTube™, Picasa™ Web Album, Bloomberg and weather service; a consumer will now have an access to HD movie rental via Amazon Video-on-Demand. Panasonic has also improved VIERA CAST interface by implementing quick keyword input (like a cell phone) to help retrieve favorite content faster and easier. Panasonic HDTVs VIERA Link - a technology that utilizes HDMI-CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) and allows a consumer to operate all VIERA Link™ compatible A/V components using only the TV’s remote control and helpful on-screen menus. In addition to operating a VIERA HDTV, video source (Blu-ray and DVD player) and home theater receiver; VIERA Link permits operation of a network camera, ideal for monitoring of a home/nursery*. A VIERA Link capable Network Camera BL-C210A can be connected to a VIERA HDTV and controlled via VIERA Link remote. Users can then watch their child, pet and/or property by installing the camera and networking to the VIERA HDTV via Ethernet cable. The BL-C210A will be available in the United States in the summer of 2009.



As in 2008, all Panasonic VIERA HDTVs feature VIERA Image Viewer™ a function for easy viewing of digital still photos and in some models, the ability to play back AVCHD video recorded on SD card.



For 2009, VIERA Plasma HDTVs are rated, as in 2008, to have a lifespan of 100,000 hours. This is more than 30 years of viewing when watched for 8 hours a day, before the TV reaches half brightness. To further improve picture quality, VIERA HDTVs feature some breakthrough consumer innovations like 600Hz Sub-field Drive and Infinite Black panel with improved contrast ratios. In 2008, Panasonic offered VIERA HDTV models that were THX certified and in 2009, the prestigious certification will be extended to 8 VIERA models (The V10 series and the G10 series). THX Ltd. works closely with Panasonic from initial product design phase to the final product rollout in the market. THX certification ensures that each display can present all HD and standard definition content to the maximum resolution with accurate color and luminance levels.



Panasonic’s commitment to improving the environment was confirmed this year as all of its 2009 VIERA HDTVs qualified for Energy Star certification. As in the past, VIERA Plasma HDTVs are lead and mercury free.



“Panasonic’s superior quality, connectivity and service continues to distinguish the VIERA line,” said Bob Perry, Executive Vice President, Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company. “Not only have our VIERA HDTVs received critical acclaim from consumer and trade publications, but Panasonic has maintained the market lead for the majority of the last three years. Panasonic has never rested on its laurels and the 2009 VIERA line continues that thinking. This year Panasonic has created the ‘Neo-PDP’ line with a brighter panel, double luminance efficiency, deeper blacks with improved contrast ratio and 1080 TV lines of Moving Picture Resolution. Our corporate philosophy of Ideas for Life is borne out by our attention to the consumer- to provide the ultimate entertainment experience in an easy to use format. That is why we have expanded our VIERA CAST feature and continued to improve the functionality of VIERA Link.”



PANASONIC VIERA Plasma HDTV

Z1 Series

The flagship VIERA plasma in 2009 is the Z1 series, with a revolutionary one inch thin panel design and Wireless HD connectivity to deliver the ultimate sleek, uncluttered HDTV viewing experience. Also included on the VIERA Z1 is VIERA CAST web menu with the new streaming HD movie rental capability via Amazon Video-on-Demand. The Neo PDP design of the VIERA Z1 produces a brighter picture, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio (40,000:1) and Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution. Other Z1 model features include;1080p resolution, a THX Certified Display; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and VIERA Linkä, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The Z1 series will be available in the summer of 2009 in the new TC-54Z1, 54-inch class screen size (54” measured diagonally).



V10 Series

The VIERA V10 series are slim, 2-inch thin plasma HDTVs with built-in tuners. The V10 series offer such cutting edge innovations as Digital Cinema Color™ which helps to deliver all movie-essential colors, full THX Display certification, and the VIERA CAST web menu with Amazon Video on Demand services. The Neo PDP design of the V10 series features 1080p resolution; deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; VIERA Link, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The V10 series is available in a 65-inch class (64.8” measured diagonally), 58-inch class (58” measured diagonally), 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), and a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally) screen size. The 50-inch model with one-sheet-of-glass design will be available in May 2009 and the remaining models will be available in the summer of 2009.



G10 Series

The VIERA G10 Plasma series include features like the VIERA CAST web menu, a THX certified Display, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The NEO PDP design of the G10 series also offers 1080p resolution, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio of 40,000:1, Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, an Infinite Black panel, 600Hz Sub-field Drive, as well as Game Mode and VIERA Link. The G10 series will be available in a 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally), 46-inch class (46” measured diagonally), and 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally) screen size. The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009, while the 54-inch model will be available in May 2009.



S1 Series

The VIERA S1 Plasma series offers a broad range of HDTVs which also represent the first VIERA plasma series to feature the new NEO PDP designs. Key features of the S1 series include Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution, which eliminate traditional HDTV motion blur. The S1 series also feature THX certified displays together with VIERA Image Viewer. Other features include 1080p resolution; a native contrast ratio of 40,000:1; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and a Game Mode. The S1 series will compliment the V10 65” screen size with its own 65-inch class (64.7” measured diagonally) product. Other S1 sizes include a 58-inch class (58” measured diagonally), a 54-inch class (54” measured diagonally), a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally), a 46-inch class (46” measured diagonally), and a 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally). The 42-inch, 46-inch and 50-inch HDTVs will be available in March 2009 while the 54-inch will be available in the summer of 2009.



X1 Series

Panasonic’s focus in 2009 continues to be on high definition 1080p HDTVs but the VIERA X1 series represent a line of 720p plasma HDTVs which help Panasonic deliver on its promise to satisfy consumer demands for differing HDTV resolution options. The X1 VIERA HDTVs offer stunning picture performance with a 600Hz Sub-field Drive that delivers razor-sharp motion focus, VIERA Image Viewer for sharing digital photos with friends and family, and VIERA Link control of all compatible A/V home entertainment components via a single remote. The X1 series also feature improved native contrast ratio of 30,000:1, an Infinite Black panel, and a Game Mode. The VIERA X1 plasmas are available in a 50-inch class (49.9” measured diagonally) and 42-inch class (41.6” measured diagonally).

When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

[Woochifer]

GEE, you outdone yourself this time, old fart.

Old fart? Check the calendar, I'm still younger than you ... or are you pretending again that it's 1998? :out:


You managed an entire post WITHOUT one SINGLE fact!
AT ALL!!!.

Plenty of facts therein (e.g., plasma's growth rate, Panasonic's CES introductions, etc.). Not my fault that your cheapie Walmart drugs have rendered you incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction anymore. Like I said, keep it up with these oh-so-bold predictions -- plasma sales go through the roof everytime you declare it dead! :out:


Tell ya what, you can paint that future paperweight of yours silver, use it as a mirrow to admire yourself.:1:

Why? Because you've already done that to all the one-off TVs in your collection? :out:

Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

[GMichael]

Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

[Woochifer]

When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

Wow, that's actually a substantial expansion of Panny's plasma lineup with two brand new series as well as a new 54" size. It doesn't even include the 0.33" thick plasma model that they demoed at CES. Dead technologies aren't supposed to have improvements like 50% reduction in energy consumption and doubling of the maximum light output. :out:

[Woochifer]

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

Oy! Shoulda known better! :yikes:

[pixelthis]

:out: :out: :out: :out: :out: :out:


and YOU ARE A TAD...ER...
squirrley.:1:

[pixelthis]

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...72009012646554




When something is dying, manufacturers don't usually spend money on R&D, pay for very expensive liscenses from THX, or expand their features to more televisions within their respective lines. So we can all go back to our lives while more mouth than brains continues to make uniformed stupid predictions with no informational support whatsoever.

Actually they DO spend money on a losing cause, trying to reqoup their previous investment.
As usual your logic(if thats what you call it) is faulty.
You oughta love plasma sir talky! It uses phosper like your antique CRT'S.
In fact a plasma tube is just a squashed crt tube with plasma instead of vaccume.
Like the vaccum between your ears.
So Sony got smart and fired your butt, is that the reason for the panny press release
(blatant spam):1:

[pixelthis]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.:1:

[GMichael]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.:1:

Then why is it that even LCD manufactures advertise their 120's as "having less motion blur?"

[Rich-n-Texas]

That's called telling them what they want to hear GM. The yuppie marketing snots have their ears to the ignorance of John Q.

[Duds]

Once again he has no response to this. I bet i can guess what he will say though...."fire sale"


Christ, do I really need to do this?

bestbuy.com today

Panasonic 46" 1080p plasama - $999 (on sale)

Sony 46" 1080p lcd - $1,999 (on sale)

Who is subsidizing the panny plasma Dicksie?

[Woochifer]

Then why is it that even LCD manufactures advertise their 120's as "having less motion blur?"

Because they are all liars out to separate the masses from their hard earned money! Or at least that's what pixie will say until he actually runs out and buys a 120 Hz LCD TV. Only THEN does it become the greatest technology in the world because it "eliminated" the motion blur that never existed until pixie bought a 120 Hz LCD TV! (Reality check: only the sets with 120 Hz motion interpolation AND sequential LED backlighting [has to be a setup that does zone-specific local dimming] even come close to eliminating motion blur with LCD panels) :out:

[Woochifer]

About another thing mentioned in your post...MOTION BLUR

FOR THE LAST TIME

THERE IS NO SUCH THING


EXCEPT INTERLACED TV

THE ONLY THING "BLURRY" around here is your reasoning process.:1:

Motion blur doesn't exist if your picture quality standard is less than 400 lines (sub-SD resolution) on moving images ... and apparently it is with you. :out: Those of us who prefer to see HD resolution with moving images will look at something other than low end 60 Hz CCFL LCDs.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Actually they DO spend money on a losing cause, trying to reqoup their previous investment.
As usual your logic(if thats what you call it) is faulty.
You oughta love plasma sir talky! It uses phosper like your antique CRT'S.
In fact a plasma tube is just a squashed crt tube with plasma instead of vaccume.
Like the vaccum between your ears.
So Sony got smart and fired your butt, is that the reason for the panny press release
(blatant spam):1:

Pixelstupid,
When will you get it through your thick brainless head that I do not work for any consumer electronics company. NONE OF THEM YOUR DENSENESS!! So give up all of your uniformed BS.

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Woochifer]Old fart? Check the calendar, I'm still younger than you ... or are you pretending again that it's 1998? :out:

You probably are, you are probably still in JR high



Plenty of facts therein (e.g., plasma's growth rate, Panasonic's CES introductions, etc.). Not my fault that your cheapie Walmart drugs have rendered you incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction anymore. Like I said, keep it up with these oh-so-bold predictions -- plasma sales go through the roof everytime you declare it dead! :out:

It is dead
dead dead dead dead .
Kinda like you above the neck.:1:


Why? Because you've already done that to all the one-off TVs in your collection? :out:


Funny that you've never posted any photos of yourself of any of these TVs you claim to own ... you hiding something, or just embarrassed?

Why would I keep any of my old TV sets around?
My Vizio is mounted in the back room, my folks have my old 37" in their living room.
LOOK at the pot calling the kettle black, never seen pics of your goldstar special.
And the "WALMART DRUGS are for diabetes assclown.:1:

[pixelthis]

Pixelstupid,
When will you get it through your thick brainless head that I do not work for any consumer electronics company. NONE OF THEM YOUR DENSENESS!! So give up all of your uniformed BS.


No you are more like their whore, postinf whatever they want you to.:1:

[pixelthis]

Motion blur doesn't exist if your picture quality standard is less than 400 lines (sub-SD resolution) on moving images ... and apparently it is with you. :out: Those of us who prefer to see HD resolution with moving images will look at something other than low end 60 Hz CCFL LCDs.


It doesnt exist AT ALL, it is totally MADE UP.
A TEST PATTERN is the only reconized way to measure resolution,
everything else is conjecture, kinda like those numbers you cook for the govt they have NO
basis in reality.
And 60hz is also the standard, as TV is 60 fps.
A 120HZ SET DOUBLES that frame rate, a 24p blue player puts out 72(24fps times 3)
in order to eliminate 3:2 pulldown.
If a set advertises anything higher its just a con, it wont give you any resolution increase,
its impossible to get any res increase in a video pic without an expensive scaler.
You do get an increase in PQ by deinterlacing a pic(480i to 480p, or 1080i to 1080p) but that is just because you are doing away with interlacing.
I have read claims from some plasma makers that their sets are "480" hz
HAD ME LAUGHING ROLLING ON THE FLOOR.
Even IF a set has this rediculously high refresh rate it would be of no practical value.
And as for "moving images" my set will have moving images long after your POS
has burnt out.:1:

[pixelthis]

Because they are all liars out to separate the masses from their hard earned money! Or at least that's what pixie will say until he actually runs out and buys a 120 Hz LCD TV. Only THEN does it become the greatest technology in the world because it "eliminated" the motion blur that never existed until pixie bought a 120 Hz LCD TV! (Reality check: only the sets with 120 Hz motion interpolation AND sequential LED backlighting [has to be a setup that does zone-specific local dimming] even come close to eliminating motion blur with LCD panels) :out:


The only "blur" around here is your personality.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY SO CALLED "MOTION BLUR".
OR BURN IN EITHER.
I am two for two, you are one for two.:1:

[pixelthis]

Sorry Wooch, but I'll have to side with Pix here. He has posted a pic of himself. Did you miss this?

I picked that up off the web, and then politely declined the invitation from your old lady.:1:

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Duds]Once again he has no response to this. I bet i can guess what he will say though...."fire sale"

[Woochifer]

You probably are, you are probably still in JR high

Wrong again. But, I'd add that your limited grasp of logic and piss poor grammar is a lot more reminiscent of grade school than anything that I post! :out:


It is dead
dead dead dead dead .
Kinda like you above the neck.:1:

Right, since you interpret a tech segment that grew by more than 30% last year as dead, I'll take your assessment of my cognitive acument as your bass-ackward acknowledgment that you've lost yet another argument.

Keep right on repeating your plasma is dead mantra. It just makes you look more and more like a plasma shill as plasma sales grow, and your street lunatic rantings steer one person after another on this board towards plasma.


Why would I keep any of my old TV sets around?

And why would I use one as a "mirrow"? :out:


My Vizio is mounted in the back room, my folks have my old 37" in their living room.
LOOK at the pot calling the kettle black, never seen pics of your goldstar special.

The link to my home theater pics have been in my signature for longer than you've been on this board. The only reason you haven't seen it is because you're either too lazy or haven't been taking your Ritalin. When I get around to updating it with my current TV, the new pics will be there. Pics of myself, my wife, and my daughter have also been posted on this site. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide because I'm not a troll.

Funny that you'd bring up pot, cuz short-term memory loss and short attention span seem to be an issue with you ...


And the "WALMART DRUGS are for diabetes assclown.:1:

And the symptoms that infect your posts have nothing to with insulin levels! :out:


The only "blur" around here is your personality.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY SO CALLED "MOTION BLUR".
OR BURN IN EITHER.
I am two for two, you are one for two

And you claim that others are factually challenged and make nothing but personal attacks? :out:


It doesnt exist AT ALL, it is totally MADE UP.

The motion resolution measurements are there for anyone who wants to see them. The only thing made up is your repeated denials.


A TEST PATTERN is the only reconized way to measure resolution,

And a test pattern is exactly what's used to measure motion resolution. Try reading the info on my links sometime, rather than just staring at the pictures.


And 60hz is also the standard, as TV is 60 fps.

Yep, that's why all plasma TVs use 60 Hz as the native screen refresh rate. Low motion resolution is not an issue with plasma TVs, so they don't need to go with 120 Hz or 240 Hz. The Pioneer plasmas have a native 72 Hz mode to handle 1080/24p signals.


A 120HZ SET DOUBLES that frame rate, a 24p blue player puts out 72(24fps times 3)
in order to eliminate 3:2 pulldown.

That's not all it does. Most 120 Hz sets use interpolated images to fill in the gaps between frames. That's why some reviewers think that 120 Hz motion interpolation makes the picture quality look worse -- every other image is something fabricated by the video processor. Now, with LCD manufacturers going to 240 Hz and 480 Hz screen refresh rates, upwards of 75% to 87.5% of the frames are no longer native to the source.


If a set advertises anything higher its just a con, it wont give you any resolution increase,

Yet, 120 Hz LCDs routinely outperform 60 Hz LCDs on motion resolution tests.


its impossible to get any res increase in a video pic without an expensive scaler.
You do get an increase in PQ by deinterlacing a pic(480i to 480p, or 1080i to 1080p) but that is just because you are doing away with interlacing.

Deinterlacing alone does not explain away the wretched motion resolution performance with 60 Hz LCD TVs, but I see that you'll keep trying to bending the facts to suit your agenda.


I have read claims from some plasma makers that their sets are "480" hz
HAD ME LAUGHING ROLLING ON THE FLOOR.
Even IF a set has this rediculously high refresh rate it would be of no practical value.

And if you actually read what the number is, you'd see that it's not the refresh rate for the screen itself, just the video subfield processor. Nothing more than a marketing number for the J6Ps that buy their TVs based on spec numbers. Of course, the only number that matters to you is the price tag.


And as for "moving images" my set will have moving images long after your POS

Right, this coming from someone who reflexively kicks his TVs to the curb before the warranty even runs out. Spare me your hypocrisy until you actually keep a TV for a year or two. :out:

Like I said, I'll take my chances with a company that has the highest reliability in the industry and proven track record for customer service and warranty support, over some marketer with an inconsistent reliability record and post-warranty support that was nonexistent until very recently.

[RoadRunner6]

Here we go again, a page after page rematch of the Pix and Boom-Boom Wooch duking it out all over again!

Very prophetic if I do say so myself!

RR6 :thumbsup:

[Rich-n-Texas]

You are Nostradomos(sp?) reincarnated RR6. :thumbsup:

[GMichael]

I picked that up off the web, and then politely declined the invitation from your old lady.:1:

If my old lady gave you an invitation, you should have accepted. It would have been your only chance in life to be with a hot babe. Well, at least one that didn't charge you.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Great comeback G. :thumbsup:

[RoadRunner6]

If my old lady gave you an invitation, you should have accepted. It would have been your only chance in life to be with a hot babe. Well, at least one that didn't charge you.

Oh, that was beautiful!

[Rich-n-Texas]

We should frame it, ya know? :lol:

[GMichael]

Oh come on guys. Let's not make him feel any worse than he already does. He deserves our pitty.

[pixelthis]

Oh come on guys. Let's not make him feel any worse than he already does. He deserves our pitty.


FUNNY, YOUR OLD LADY SAID THE SAME ABOUT YOU.:1:

[pixelthis]

You are Nostradomos(sp?) reincarnated RR6. :thumbsup:


more like NOSTRA-DUMBASS, really.:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

Oh nooooooooo!!! An afternoon appearance by the pill pusher! :yikes:

[GMichael]

FUNNY, YOUR OLD LADY SAID THE SAME ABOUT YOU.:1:


She does worry about me so.

[pixelthis]

[QUOTE=Woochifer]Wrong again. But, I'd add that your limited grasp of logic and piss poor grammar is a lot more reminiscent of grade school than anything that I post! :out:

At least I have some grasp of logic



Right, since you interpret a tech segment that grew by more than 30% last year as dead, I'll take your assessment of my cognitive acument as your bass-ackward acknowledgment that you've lost yet another argument.


And LCD still outsells it by a wide margin.
Not to mention that a lot of those "sales" were to business and included a lot of "spiffs"
(kickbacks)



Keep right on repeating your plasma is dead mantra. It just makes you look more and more like a plasma shill as plasma sales grow, and your street lunatic rantings steer one person after another on this board towards plasma.


Plasma is DEAD because of many technical reasons, not to mention economic ones.
First it was the gas escaping from the tube envelope , but they supposedly "fixed"
that, and then it was screen burn in, and then they supposedly "fixed" that
Wit such an amalgamation of patches and work arounds, like cycling the picture on and off, effectively cutting the brightness in half.
THIS next disaster will drive away even more customers, as will the next one.
ITS BASICALLY A RUBE GOLDBERG CONTRAPTION,
destined for a spot next to the eight track tape player in the attic.




And why would I use one as a "mirrow"? :out:

A typo, know what that is?
And I dount you would use one as a mirror, might break it even worse than it will be already



The link to my home theater pics have been in my signature for longer than you've been on this board. The only reason you haven't seen it is because you're either too lazy or haven't been taking your Ritalin. When I get around to updating it with my current TV, the new pics will be there. Pics of myself, my wife, and my daughter have also been posted on this site. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide because I'm not a troll.

I have seen you setup, and you have plenty to hide, even if you dont realize it




Funny that you'd bring up pot, cuz short-term memory loss and short attention span seem to be an issue with you ...

You are the one out of touch with reality



And the symptoms that infect your posts have nothing to with insulin levels! :out:


And the lies, propaganda and outright mistruths have nothing to do with your low I.Q levels.
Beleiving a propaganda website fronted by the MAJOR plasma make, however, is


And you claim that others are factually challenged and make nothing but personal attacks? :out:


What have you been doing during this entire post except lying and making personal
"attacks"?



The motion resolution measurements are there for anyone who wants to see them. The only thing made up is your repeated denials.

I deny that there is such a thing as "motion resolution" and anybody with ANY electronics training whatsoever will deny the same thing.
These "measurements" appeared on a propaganda website hosted by a CE whore
who spent 30 years as a PR hack working for the people trying to push plasma tv
down the throats of an unsuspecting public in order to pay for a stupid investment in a new plasma plant.
They mean absolutely NOTHING



And a test pattern is exactly what's used to measure motion resolution. Try reading the info on my links sometime, rather than just staring at the pictures.

a test pattern is a still image dillweed, how do you measure something moving with
a still image.
There has been several tries at coming up with a valid and consistent way of measuring
resolution during motion, but no sucess so far.
You can get in the ballpark but nothing precise.
The rest is, as SAMUEL CLEMMENS said, "lies, damn lies, and statistics".
Which you ought to know about, handling all three for our benevolent govt.




Yep, that's why all plasma TVs use 60 Hz as the native screen refresh rate. Low motion resolution is not an issue with plasma TVs, so they don't need to go with 120 Hz or 240 Hz. The Pioneer plasmas have a native 72 Hz mode to handle 1080/24p signals.

Its not an "issue" with LCD sets EITHER.
KEEP MAKING STUFF UP, IN the end reality biting you in the ass will still
hurt like a b***tch


That's not all it does. Most 120 Hz sets use interpolated images to fill in the gaps between frames. That's why some reviewers think that 120 Hz motion interpolation makes the picture quality look worse -- every other image is something fabricated by the video processor. Now, with LCD manufacturers going to 240 Hz and 480 Hz screen refresh rates, upwards of 75% to 87.5% of the frames are no longer native to the source.

Those "interpolated" images are not made out of whole cloth, they are derived from actual frames.
This is not a problem, expensive scalers were doing this well a decade agao, and now new tech makes the price cheaper





Yet, 120 Hz LCDs routinely outperform 60 Hz LCDs on motion resolution tests.

Are those the same made up POS "tests" you are talking about above?
120hz SETS ARE GOING TO LOOK BETTER, there is more info on teh screen at any given time.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME, the "motion res" is going to be the SAME as the still res,
a progressive DOES NOT lose res during movement, I DONT CARE what YOU SAY,
I will listen to engineers, not a govt hack, thank you


Deinterlacing alone does not explain away the wretched motion resolution performance with 60 Hz LCD TVs, but I see that you'll keep trying to bending the facts to suit your agenda.

YOU are the one with an "agenda" not me, and deinterlacing has NOTHING to do with "motion res" since that DOESNT EXIST.
I guess you think that repeating a lie often enough will make people beleive it.
Now where have I heard THAT before?


And if you actually read what the number is, you'd see that it's not the refresh rate for the screen itself, just the video subfield processor. Nothing more than a marketing number for the J6Ps that buy their TVs based on spec numbers. Of course, the only number that matters to you is the price tag.

price does matter to any intelligent consumer, and the rest is gibberish, as what the subfield (and other procs) output is what appears on THE SCREEN



Right, this coming from someone who reflexively kicks his TVs to the curb before the warranty even runs out. Spare me your hypocrisy until you actually keep a TV for a year or two. :out:

I do trade TV sets quite often, but my last one I had three years, and I TEND TO know those who get my older equipment(it sells easy, they know what I buy)

So its important to have a set that will last, it might be one I keep awhile, and longetivity
also plays to quality, but of course you dont know that(or much of anything)


Like I said, I'll take my chances with a company that has the highest reliability in the industry and proven track record for customer service and warranty support, over some marketer with an inconsistent reliability record and post-warranty support that was nonexistent until very recently.

Panasonic has high reliability, which is why I have bought several of their products,
but they are not miracle workers, not even they can turn a turd into a mercedes.

as you will find out


Hopefully the hard way:1:

[Woochifer]

At least I have some grasp of logic

Tenuous at best, as evidenced by your posts. :out:


And LCD still outsells it by a wide margin.

Yeah, because the vast majority of LCD shipments are in the 32" and under class, and include OEM shipments for computer monitors -- all markets that plasma doesn't compete in.


Not to mention that a lot of those "sales" were to business and included a lot of "spiffs"
(kickbacks)

What do you call all those flat panel computer monitors sitting in offices?

And where's your proof of "spiffs"? Or is this just more imaginary conspiracy nonsense?


Plasma is DEAD because of many technical reasons, not to mention economic ones.First it was the gas escaping from the tube envelope , but they supposedly "fixed"
that, and then it was screen burn in, and then they supposedly "fixed" that
Wit such an amalgamation of patches and work arounds, like cycling the picture on and off, effectively cutting the brightness in half.

Lemme get this straight. A technology is dead when companies keep improving its reliability and performance, and when sales keep growing by more than double digits ever year. And you claim to have "some" grasp of logic? :lol:


I have seen you setup, and you have plenty to hide, even if you dont realize it

Yeah, that still explains why you've never posted any pics of your setup or yourself. Wassamadda, you scared of what we will say when the curtain behind your charade gets lifted? :cool:


You are the one out of touch with reality

Only the reality that you manufacture inside your head.


And the lies, propaganda and outright mistruths have nothing to do with your low I.Q levels.
Beleiving a propaganda website fronted by the MAJOR plasma make, however, is

Low IQ? I'm not the one that prefers to manufacture fake conspiracy theories when the facts aren't on my side. Or do you actually believe in your own BS? Doesn't sound very bright to me! :lol:


What have you been doing during this entire post except lying and making personal
"attacks"?

Uh, let's see ... correcting your many factual errors and basically exposing your posts for the troll fodder that it is?


I deny that there is such a thing as "motion resolution" and anybody with ANY electronics training whatsoever will deny the same thing.

Right, so all of the LCD and plasma TV manufacturers who are touting the improved motion resolution of their latest TVs don't have "any" electronics training? :rolleyes:


These "measurements" appeared on a propaganda website hosted by a CE whore
who spent 30 years as a PR hack working for the people trying to push plasma tv
down the throats of an unsuspecting public in order to pay for a stupid investment in a new plasma plant.
They mean absolutely NOTHING

Blah blah blah. So that explains why CNET, Home Theater, HDTV Test, and other review sites use the same motion resolution test. Face it, this is now a standard benchmark test that's very commonly used. And gosh, some LCD TVs have actually begun to perform well on that test.

And like I keep asking you. If Gary Merson is such as plasma hack, then why does he maintain a list of recommended LCD TVs? Basically, you bought a cheap LCD TV and will manufacture whatever lies you can come up with to smear anybody who points out the drawbacks of making the choice that you did. No need to take it personally when the facts don't coincide with your fanboy rants. :out:


a test pattern is a still image dillweed, how do you measure something moving with
a still image.

With a monoscope test pattern.


There has been several tries at coming up with a valid and consistent way of measuring
resolution during motion, but no sucess so far.

Name some of these "several tries." Otherwise, we'll just chuck this into the pile with the rest of your unsubstantiated BS.


The rest is, as SAMUEL CLEMMENS said, "lies, damn lies, and statistics".

And then there's reality and pixie's warped interpretation of it.


Its not an "issue" with LCD sets EITHER.
KEEP MAKING STUFF UP, IN the end reality biting you in the ass will still
hurt like a b***tch

How would you know? Because you're the one getting bitten by reality most of the time?


Those "interpolated" images are not made out of whole cloth, they are derived from actual frames.

And interpolated images are not the same as actual frames. With these new 240 Hz LCDs, now 75% of what the viewer sees is an interpolated image.


This is not a problem, expensive scalers were doing this well a decade agao, and now new tech makes the price cheaper

Cheaper, but not better. So, if LCD tech did not have motion resolution problems, then why would LCD TV manufacturers even bother with 120 Hz screen refresh? And why would they advertise that 120 Hz improves motion if no motion is lost with 60 Hz LCD TVs as you claim? All plasmas are natively 60 Hz because they don't need motion interpolation to smooth out the motion.


Are those the same made up POS "tests" you are talking about above?
120hz SETS ARE GOING TO LOOK BETTER, there is more info on teh screen at any given time.

So that explains why the 60 Hz Pioneer plasmas are currently the most highest rated HDTV on the market? :lol:


AND FOR THE LAST TIME, the "motion res" is going to be the SAME as the still res,

How many times are you going to say "FOR THE LAST TIME"? :lol:


YOU are the one with an "agenda" not me, and deinterlacing has NOTHING to do with "motion res" since that DOESNT EXIST.

Actually, YOUR agenda is quite clearly all about promoting plasma. Your rantings about plasma and LCD are so over-the-top insane and repetitive that no one can take it seriously!


I guess you think that repeating a lie often enough will make people beleive it.
Now where have I heard THAT before?

Nah, you're the one that actually believes this, given that how much you practice on this board.


price does matter to any intelligent consumer,

And nothing else matters to the pixie consumer.


I do trade TV sets quite often, but my last one I had three years, and I TEND TO know those who get my older equipment(it sells easy, they know what I buy)

And that just makes your rantings about durability and reliability all the more hypocritical, since you don't even bother to keep your TVs long enough to find out how blind your fanboy devotion really is.


So its important to have a set that will last, it might be one I keep awhile, and longetivity
also plays to quality, but of course you dont know that(or much of anything)

Right, so that explains why you bought a TV from a company with an inconsistent track record for reliability, and was imposing extraneous $500+ charges for boxing and shipping on warranty service when you first bought from them.


Panasonic has high reliability, which is why I have bought several of their products,
but they are not miracle workers, not even they can turn a turd into a mercedes.

Yeah, they're not miracle workers. They just make TVs with the lowest failure rate in the industry, and back it up a solid track record for customer service and spare parts availability.


as you will find out


Hopefully the hard way:1:

Why? Because your misery loves company? No thanks.

I'm not the one that bought a disposable TV. Maybe you will find out "the hard way" when your TV needs a part that nobody can locate, or your beloved fanboy company wants to charge you shipping for warranty service. But, I certainly wouldn't wish that on anyone, even a lying troll like you. :out:

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Oh come on guys. Let's not make him feel any worse than he already does. He deserves our pitty.

You give him pity, but I would rather give him rat poison.

[GMichael]

You give him pity, but I would rather give him rat poison.
And then you'd miss him. Just like you miss Lex and P.S.

Don't try to deny it. I know that you live to enlighten the non-enlighten-able.
Who would be left for you to play with?

[pixelthis]

You give him pity, but I would rather give him rat poison.


I would think you would be philosopically opposed to a poison aimed at your own kind:1:

[pixelthis]

And then you'd miss him. Just like you miss Lex and P.S.

Don't try to deny it. I know that you live to enlighten the non-enlighten-able.
Who would be left for you to play with?


GEE, is your nose far enough up there to see his tonsils yet.
You DO realize that if it werent for Google TALKY WOULDNT "KNOW"
ANYTHING?:1: