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SpankingVanillaice
12-10-2008, 03:45 PM
I was wondering about this but is the JBL Venue Series a step up from the Northridge E Series since the Venue Series came out after the Northridge E Series? I do see some of the speakers specs like the Tour and the Balcony is better then the older series like the E10 or the N24. So I was wondering that if the Venue Series is overall a better series.



What I meant is that is the Venue Series between the Northridge E Series and the Studio Series?


So like the Venue Series is better than the Northridge E Series but not as good as the Studio Series??




I really want to know this. Also I would appreciate that no one makes fun of me anymore. Thank You

Ajani
12-10-2008, 04:58 PM
Spanky,

1) How much money do you have to spend on speakers?

2) Have you researched other brands?

3) People will always make fun of you... so it's best for you just to ignore it

02audionoob
12-10-2008, 05:10 PM
I don't think Venue is a step up from the Northridge E series. The Studio series would of course be a step up.

SpankingVanillaice
12-10-2008, 05:51 PM
So is the Venue Series and the Northridge E Series both the same line? Or does the Venue Series has any updates from the Northridge E Series? Or did JBL just changed the looks on the Northridge E series and called the new looks the Venue Series?

02audionoob
12-10-2008, 08:47 PM
I don't know that there's any real lineage. If anything, the E series might be sonically superior to the Venue. I really like the E50. Good bass for a bookshelf speaker, although it's a pretty big speaker to call a "bookshelf".

blackraven
12-10-2008, 08:57 PM
Why are you stuck on JBL? There are better speakers available even at the prices you are able to afford.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1ENC100

or

http://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Diamond-9-0-Speaker-Pair/dp/B001GZU5XU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1228971617&sr=1-1#moreAboutThisProduct

RoadRunner6
12-11-2008, 12:47 AM
..........Or did JBL just changed the looks on the Northridge E series and called the new looks the Venue Series?

Yes, I think your last sentence is correct. If I remember accurately, the Venue series replaced the Northridge series. The main change was only a cosmetic change in looks. Also the Venue series had less total number of models. So some of the Northridge models were not carried over to the Venue series.

So JBL made the change from one year to the next, changing the name from Northridge to Venue with a new look and also eliminating some of the models.

For example, the Northridge E10 and the Venue Balcony are the same exact speaker in different looking cabinets. See below and note that they both have the same tweeter, same mid/bass, same crossover, same efficiency and almost the exact same dimensions and weight on the cabinet plus other specs that are the same.

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Northridge-4-Inch-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/tech-data/B0000X45FI/ref=de_a_smtd

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/428978-REG/JBL_BALCONY_BALCONY_Venue_Series_Wall_Mount_Booksh elf.html#specifications (click on the specifications tab)

Note that some of the specs are listed a liitle differently and the port holes are in a different place. That is just to confuse us, they are the same speaker.

The Studio series which I think is known as the Studio L series is a higher quality line.

Hope this helps.

RR6

SpankingVanillaice
12-11-2008, 03:42 AM
Well if the Venue Series, Northridge E Series and the orginial Northridge Series are the same speakers why didn't they just kept the Northridge Series that was made back in 1999?

SpankingVanillaice
12-11-2008, 03:44 AM
Or is the orginial Northridge Series made back in 1999 is not as good as the Northridge E Series. Or was I right that all of the series is the same speakers just different looks?

SpankingVanillaice
12-11-2008, 04:03 AM
I did remember something but the orginial Northridge Series made back in 1999 had a different shape of tweeters in the N26 and the N26II. I looked carefully on this and it's a little bit different but that might be because the N26 had a smaller and plastic enclosure and the N26II had a MDF wooden enclosure. But anyways I assumed that every new series had some minor improvements. But if not that is kinda disapointing that they didn't improve the newer models at all and just changed the looks.



If this is true why did they just changed the looks only? Was the old style that bad or something?

bobsticks
12-11-2008, 09:56 AM
For example, the Northridge E10 and the Venue Balcony are the same exact speaker in different looking cabinets. See below and note that they both have the same tweeter, same mid/bass, same crossover, same efficiency and almost the exact same dimensions and weight on the cabinet plus other specs that are the same.



What would happen if took the Venue Balcony, removed the mid/bass and put it in the Northridge cabinet and installed a beryllium tweeter and covered it with "Hello Kitty" stickers?

Ajani
12-11-2008, 10:19 AM
What would happen if took the Venue Balcony, removed the mid/bass and put it in the Northridge cabinet and installed a beryllium tweeter and covered it with "Hello Kitty" stickers?

You'd have a Focal Grand Utopia Super Ultimate POS

blackraven
12-11-2008, 12:45 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. .......................

Why are we even discussing this?

SVI, for someone who claims to be into speakers for a hobby, why dont you save your money for a year and buy some real speakers. JBL sucks unless you can afford to buy their high end line. Go into a real High end store and listen to some good speakers!

There, I said it, now I can go back to sleepingggggggggggzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

N. Abstentia
12-11-2008, 02:28 PM
They're both pure crap.

Now with that settled, what happened to Adam?

02audionoob
12-11-2008, 04:45 PM
They're both pure crap.


Why is it no one here can talk about an inexpensive product? So many people are so damn arrogant. Pure crap? Oh, please.

Also...if you're going to determine that they're the same speaker based solely on the similar comments on the brief spec's like those found on that Amazon page, I suspect you'll come to the conclusion the S series was the same as the E.

blackraven
12-11-2008, 11:20 PM
02audionoob, its not really about the speakers. Just read his other posts, they go on and on about very inexpensive speakers. People give advice and the same questions come up, over and over.

And I'm sorry, I try not to put people or their equipment down. I guess I'm just having a bad day after just finishing working 6 straight nights and not getting much sleep.

audio amateur
12-12-2008, 01:59 AM
Why is it no one here can talk about an inexpensive product? So many people are so damn arrogant. Pure crap? Oh, please.

Also...if you're going to determine that they're the same speaker based solely on the similar comments on the brief spec's like those found on that Amazon page, I suspect you'll come to the conclusion the S series was the same as the E.
Have you read his other theads? I suspect you haven't. But i'll admit, that in general, there's nothing wrong with talking about inexpensive products.

RoadRunner6
12-12-2008, 03:51 AM
Where do you think Amazon and B&H got the specs which include a description of the exact same drivers, etc.... from JBL. I went thru this on another forum several years ago. If you look at the photos closely you'll see they are the same drivers. I confirmed this recently when I talked to JB and his brother Altec.

Who cares if he asks the same questions over and over. Just go to a different thread and read about Sarah Palin or the latest recipe for Tart au Citron or aquarium fish. At least he is keeping to the subject of audio/HT. It's a lot better than some of the other posters here who ask questions and you spend time to research and give opinions, facts and links and they never return or even acknowledge your post.

SVI is obviously a connoisseir of the entry level JBL models and is trying to get down to the niitty gritty of the distinctions between the various series over the last decade. He likes to be meticulously precise! It's sort of like the Pix is a connoisseir of the Vizio line.

Now, I'm going to go back over to Kex's thread about the top 10 worst Christmas presents. Chill out boys and girls. And for God's sake BR get some sleep!

Say goodnight, Gracie.
RR6 :biggrin5:

PS: AA, what the hell is a student doing up at this time of the night? Oh yeah, I forgot, you're over there. Well, say hello to Her Majesty next time she invites you over for tea. Also, give my best to Sir Paul.

Luvin Da Blues
12-12-2008, 04:45 AM
Who cares if he asks the same questions over and over. Just go to a different thread and read about Sarah Palin :frown5: or the latest recipe for Tart au Citron:frown5: or aquarium fish:frown2: . At least he is keeping to the subject of audio/HT.

Here, here.

02audionoob
12-12-2008, 05:42 AM
Where do you think Amazon and B&H got the specs which include a description of the exact same drivers, etc.... from JBL. I went thru this on another forum several years ago. If you look at the photos closely you'll see they are the same drivers. I confirmed this recently when I talked to JB and his brother Altec.

I realize they're the same drivers. My point is if you go only by that, the E and the S are the same speakers. I'm not saying that are or they aren't...just that the original comment on the specs indicates the Venue and the E are the same speaker. By that logic, the S is also the same speaker. Not disputing it...just an observation.

GMichael
12-12-2008, 06:02 AM
The E series and Venue series use the same drivers respectively for the most part. The Venue series does offer a nice looking style and the porting is tuned a little lower. JBL (as do other manufactures) make these small changes so that they can announce a "new and improved" series and charge more for them. That's life. You may want to get used to this.

Rich-n-Texas
12-12-2008, 07:50 AM
Why is it no one here can talk about an inexpensive product? So many people are so damn arrogant. Pure crap? Oh, please..
.
BIG

FVCKIN'

YAWN!

Noob, I suggest you read through some of these links. Especially note the dates of the threads:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8323

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8480

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14918

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14843

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14527

Let's mix in a couple of individual quotes:

I dont know the L5's but I can say I do love JBL too since they are soo percise and clear. I only buy JBL speakers. Since JBL's are top of the line.

I am saying for the price JBL's are top of the line.
More links:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20977

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20995

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21339

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21635

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21513

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21640

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21838

Here's one that got locked after he started talking about his gay boyfriend. I'd have to say the last page was freakin' hilarious:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25177

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25290

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25600

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25893

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25904

Here's another one that got locked due to more references to his boyfriend. This one was about... The Glove:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=26451

And on...

and on...

and on.

I think some of you crusaders for righteousness and fairness, especially the newer members here, should take a few minutes and read up on this clown and find out for yourself that he's a fvckin' troll, like I've already said...
Over...

and over...

and over.

How sad.

:rolleyes:

RoadRunner6
12-12-2008, 07:50 AM
I realize they're the same drivers. My point is if you go only by that, the E and the S are the same speakers. I'm not saying that are or they aren't...just that the original comment on the specs indicates the Venue and the E are the same speaker. By that logic, the S is also the same speaker. Not disputing it...just an observation.

The S series JBL according to JBL has a:

".....High-Frequency Transducer 1" (25mm) Pure-titanium dome in JBL EOS™ waveguide, cast-aluminum chassis....."

The Northridge and the Venue according to JBL both have a:

".....High-Frequency Transducer 3/4" (19mm) Titanium-laminate dome, shielded....."

I quoted here direct from JBL literature.

Does 1" and 3/4" sound like the same tweeter to you?

RR6

GMichael
12-12-2008, 08:11 AM
BIG

FVCKIN'

YAWN!

Noob, I suggest you read through some of these links. Especially note the dates of the threads:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8323

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8480

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14918

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14843

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14527

Let's mix in a couple of individual quotes:


More links:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20977

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20995

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21339

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21635

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21513

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21640

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21838

Here's one that got locked after he started talking about his gay boyfriend. I'd have to say the last page was freakin' hilarious:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25177

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25290

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25600

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25893

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25904

Here's another one that got locked due to more references to his boyfriend. This one was about... The Glove:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=26451

And on...

and on...

and on.

I think some of you crusaders for righteousness and fairness, especially the newer members here, should take a few minutes and read up on this clown and find out for yourself that he's a fvckin' troll, like I've already said...
Over...

and over...

and over.

How sad.

:rolleyes:

Sniff sniff.....

Oh, the memories....

RoadRunner6
12-12-2008, 08:22 AM
I suggest you read through some of these links......I'd have to say the last page was freakin' hilarious.....And on...and on...and on.....Over...and over...and over

Rich, will you knock it off! I have a developing belly button hernia. My doctor said not to strain too hard. Well, when I'm laughing my ass off (I mean stomach) the darn thing keeps popping in and out! (Please, please somebody make Rich stop!)


As noted in a previous post above:

".....He is obviously a connoisseir...He likes to be meticulously precise!....."

I've got to change back to FA's thread on desserts now.

RR6 :frown2:

audio amateur
12-12-2008, 09:58 AM
Noob, I suggest you read through some of these links. Especially note the dates of the threads:
:rolleyes:[/SIZE]
Thank you, Rich

02audionoob
12-12-2008, 03:53 PM
Thank you, Rich

So let me see if I understand this correctly. This forum at audioreview.com is reserved for discussions about cars, sports, remodeling projects and politics...not speakers. OK. Got it.


All you have to do is not reply. You saw the subject line. You saw the author's name. So don't open it. Really.

02audionoob
12-12-2008, 04:12 PM
BIG

FVCKIN'

YAWN!

Noob, I suggest you read through some of these links. Especially note the dates of the threads:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8323

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=8480

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14918

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14843

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=14527

Let's mix in a couple of individual quotes:


More links:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20977

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=20995

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21339

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21635

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21513

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21640

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=21838

Here's one that got locked after he started talking about his gay boyfriend. I'd have to say the last page was freakin' hilarious:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25177

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25290

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25600

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25893

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=25904

Here's another one that got locked due to more references to his boyfriend. This one was about... The Glove:

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=26451

And on...

and on...

and on.

I think some of you crusaders for righteousness and fairness, especially the newer members here, should take a few minutes and read up on this clown and find out for yourself that he's a fvckin' troll, like I've already said...
Over...

and over...

and over.

How sad.

:rolleyes:


SVI wouldn't have gone on and on with the continuing encouragement from all the other members.

SpankingVanillaice
12-12-2008, 04:52 PM
I did listen to the JBL L820 today and yes I do hear that the highs are much more realistic than my Monitor meaning the highs sounds more like real cymbals crashing. I' am not saying that my Monitor from the Venue Series speakers are bad speaker since they do sound really good and realistic but I think that the pure titanium dome tweeters give more lifelike highs that's all. Also I think that I can hear more of the low highs better on pure titanium dome tweeters that's maybe why the cymbals sounds more realistic. I did not get to hear the ES Series yet but I will soon since Nebraska Furniture Mart sells all of the ES series and the Studio L Series. I might bring my CD to listen to my music next time and listen to all of them and compair. I won't be able to afford them right now but maybe in the way future I might get them.


I listen to hear if I hear any highs coming out of the ultrahigh frequency drivers but it seems I don't hear much sound coming out of them. Very little highs come out of them. But maybe that's because humans can't hear above 20kHz. I can barely hear 18kHz but I can hear 17.5kHz very loud and clear. I really think though that it is pointless to add that ultrahigh frequency driver since I don't think anyone pretty much can hear it I mean I had to put my ears upto the driver to barely hear anything coming out of it. I think JBL should of just kept one driver for the highs like the Studio Series or the Venue Series since unless you have ears like dogs you can't hear anything above 20kHz.

audio amateur
12-13-2008, 04:53 AM
So let me see if I understand this correctly. This forum at audioreview.com is reserved for discussions about cars, sports, remodeling projects and politics...not speakers. OK. Got it.

In the off-topic forums, YES.

I believe you'd be in the same boat as us if you'd been around a bit longer.

SpankingVanillaice
12-13-2008, 06:17 PM
I did today listen to the ES Series and they yes do sound a little better than the Venue Series but they are really almost the same. The only difference I hear is that the ES Series has a little more natural sound but if I cover the ultrahigh it sounds exactly like the Venue Series speakers. I noticed that the ultrahigh driver barely makes sound but it seemed like it was playing lower high sounds for somereason when normaly it's suppose to be playing higher sounds than 20kHz. The titanium-laminated dome tweeters played the highs the most like the Venue Series. I did listen to the ES20 which is the speaker like my monitor and they do sound really alike but the ES20 sounds just a little bit better I think but they are pretty much the same speakers and I kinda think it's a waste to add that ultrahigh driver. But maybe that's why the highs sounded a little better since it added the lower high sound to it which I don't think it was suppose to do that. The Studio L Series tweeters was more powerful but maybe that's what you guys mean by brighter. I do see why you guys say that titanium-laminated dome tweeters is warm sound since it's not hard on your ears at all. The Studio L Series didn't hurt my ears eather but just had more realistic highs.

I took alot of my music and listen to the speakers so now I pretty much know how the ES Series and Studio L Series sound like.

Overall I think the Venue Series and the ES Series and Studio L Series are great speakers but the best I think is the Studio L Series since it has that pure titanium dome. But one problem is that they are soo expensive and I can't afford them. I can maybe only afford the ES20 since they are not extremely expensive. But Since there is only little different in the two I don't know if it's worth it. But I do like good sound so maybe when I have enough money I can get it.

I always been a big JBL fan so that's why I want JBL speakers.

Florian
12-14-2008, 03:31 AM
http://www.gamingmmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/you-are-stupid-tee-shirt.jpg

RoadRunner6
12-14-2008, 10:41 PM
Here's Your T-Shirt

Florian
12-15-2008, 12:37 AM
Bah! mine was more fun....... boooring

audio amateur
12-15-2008, 03:05 AM
now now people calm down:D

GMichael
12-15-2008, 06:39 AM
Hey Spanky,

Good to see you getting out and listening first hand. That's a good start. Maybe you'll get a chance to hear some more speakers soon. JBL is OK, but there are better available. Try not to get locked into one name brand. It limits your options. Listen to as many as you can, and save up before making another change. The ES and Studio L series' may be a little better, but not by much. If you are going to spend your money, you would be better off saving for a larger improvement instead of just a small one. Take your time. Go out, listen, and let us know what you think of each set you hear.

Mike