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pixelthis
10-20-2008, 11:54 PM
Did you hear about the bigamist who got run over by a car?
The autopsy showed he had also been poisoned.
Seems one wife didn't know what the other was doing.
And that seems to be whats happening with 1080p AND BLU RAY.
I posted on another section that plasma was dead (which it is,
BTW) and have gleeened some interesting info among all of the brickbats, insults , references to my ancestors, etc.
Mainly that a lot of Plasma buyers are buying 720P.
And then a lot come over HERE and talk about buying a Blu ray!
WHATS GOING ON?
Apparently they have bought into the "truism" that it "doesn't make much difference".
Well, sorry to say this BUT IT DOES.
For one thing, if you have 1080p then you also get 24fps,
which eliminates 3/2 pulldown, completely doing away with artifacts
associated with trying to show a 24fps movie on a device that is 60hz.
And then there is deinterlacing.
Aint no expert but its has to be better to just deinterlace 1080i to 1080p
instead of deinterlacing it and then rescaling it to 720p.
NOT to mention that 1080p has 340 more scan lines than 720p.
Lets face it, most on this board are going to buy Blu players sooner
or later, and yes they look fantastic on a 720p set.
But they look simply amazing on a 1080p.
Trust me, it does make a difference.
So why buy a set that will be around awhile (even a short lived plasma will be around five to ten years) and "lock" yourself into 720p?
I bought a 720p for valid reasons, it was still a 1080i world, and right after 1080p started becoming more prevalent, in other words I got "caught".
Well, I have recently fixed that problem with a 1080p, and trust me, it was worth every penny, really.
It will last until OLED becomes affordable.
Just consider the Blu issue before you buy a set , let that figure into your considerations.
A TV lasts a long time, really, and Blu IS JUST GETTING STARTED.
Think of how much it will improve, look at how much DVD has improved.
Do you really want to lock yourself into a resolution that will hobble your Blu player and keep you from getting the most outta it?
When buying a set these days, consider one of the main
sources of programming you will be using(at least for awhile)
BLU RAY.
A 1080p WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE, but it would be wise and do what Richard Pryor said to do in the movie "silver streak.
PAY THE MAN:1:

markw
10-21-2008, 04:05 AM
Well thought out, intellligently composed and filled with a lot of truisms.

Now, what did you do with the real pixie?

GMichael
10-21-2008, 05:09 AM
You left out the part about plasma also being available in 1080p.

Just saying.

Duds
10-21-2008, 05:18 AM
Where did anyone in these forums say that blu-ray doesnt look any different on a 1080p set compared to a 720p set? I'm pretty sure we have all said that blu ray will benfit on a 1080p set, but obviously you pick and choose what you wanna read and twist things around to suit your agenda.


Did you hear about the bigamist who got run over by a car?
The autopsy showed he had also been poisoned.
Seems one wife didn't know what the other was doing.
And that seems to be whats happening with 1080p AND BLU RAY.
I posted on another section that plasma was dead (which it is,
BTW) and have gleeened some interesting info among all of the brickbats, insults , references to my ancestors, etc.
Mainly that a lot of Plasma buyers are buying 720P.
And then a lot come over HERE and talk about buying a Blu ray!
WHATS GOING ON?
Apparently they have bought into the "truism" that it "doesn't make much difference".
Well, sorry to say this BUT IT DOES.
For one thing, if you have 1080p then you also get 24fps,
which eliminates 3/2 pulldown, completely doing away with artifacts
associated with trying to show a 24fps movie on a device that is 60hz.
And then there is deinterlacing.
Aint no expert but its has to be better to just deinterlace 1080i to 1080p
instead of deinterlacing it and then rescaling it to 720p.
NOT to mention that 1080p has 340 more scan lines than 720p.
Lets face it, most on this board are going to buy Blu players sooner
or later, and yes they look fantastic on a 720p set.
But they look simply amazing on a 1080p.
Trust me, it does make a difference.
So why buy a set that will be around awhile (even a short lived plasma will be around five to ten years) and "lock" yourself into 720p?
I bought a 720p for valid reasons, it was still a 1080i world, and right after 1080p started becoming more prevalent, in other words I got "caught".
Well, I have recently fixed that problem with a 1080p, and trust me, it was worth every penny, really.
It will last until OLED becomes affordable.
Just consider the Blu issue before you buy a set , let that figure into your considerations.
A TV lasts a long time, really, and Blu IS JUST GETTING STARTED.
Think of how much it will improve, look at how much DVD has improved.
Do you really want to lock yourself into a resolution that will hobble your Blu player and keep you from getting the most outta it?
When buying a set these days, consider one of the main
sources of programming you will be using(at least for awhile)
BLU RAY.
A 1080p WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE, but it would be wise and do what Richard Pryor said to do in the movie "silver streak.
PAY THE MAN:1:

Sir Terrence the Terrible
10-21-2008, 03:34 PM
For one thing, if you have 1080p then you also get 24fps,
which eliminates 3/2 pulldown, completely doing away with artifacts associated with trying to show a 24fps movie on a device that is 60hz.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of LCD and Plasma that are 1080p60hz and incapable of handling 24fps. Taking away 3/2 pulldown does not guarantee a artifact free viewing. Deinterlacing errors can creep in, and judder inherent in film can also present.



And then there is deinterlacing.
Aint no expert but its has to be better to just deinterlace 1080i to 1080p
instead of deinterlacing it and then rescaling it to 720p.

You are correct in theory, but on television smaller than 50" and at the typical viewing distances that most sit from the panel it might not even matter.


NOT to mention that 1080p has 340 more scan lines than 720p.

There are no scan lines on digital televisions Pix, its all pixels.


Lets face it, most on this board are going to buy Blu players sooner
or later, and yes they look fantastic on a 720p set.
But they look simply amazing on a 1080p.
Trust me, it does make a difference.
So why buy a set that will be around awhile (even a short lived plasma will be around five to ten years) and "lock" yourself into 720p?
I bought a 720p for valid reasons, it was still a 1080i world, and right after 1080p started becoming more prevalent, in other words I got "caught".
Well, I have recently fixed that problem with a 1080p, and trust me, it was worth every penny, really.
It will last until OLED becomes affordable.
Just consider the Blu issue before you buy a set , let that figure into your considerations.
A TV lasts a long time, really, and Blu IS JUST GETTING STARTED.
Think of how much it will improve, look at how much DVD has improved.
Do you really want to lock yourself into a resolution that will hobble your Blu player and keep you from getting the most outta it?
When buying a set these days, consider one of the main
sources of programming you will be using(at least for awhile)
BLU RAY.
A 1080p WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE, but it would be wise and do what Richard Pryor said to do in the movie "silver streak.
PAY THE MAN:1:

I am not so sure anyone is hobbling bluray with a 720p display. As I have mention earlier, at the distance most folks set from the panel, and since most folks have bought panels smaller than 50", it really does not matter. Now that larger size panels are becoming more competitively priced, it may matter soon.

pixelthis
10-21-2008, 09:52 PM
[QUOTE=Sir Terrence the Terrible]Not necessarily. There are plenty of LCD and Plasma that are 1080p60hz and incapable of handling 24fps. Taking away 3/2 pulldown does not guarantee a artifact free viewing. Deinterlacing errors can creep in, and judder inherent in film can also present.


Older sets maybe, I havent seen any of the new ones that arent,
and I looked at over two dozen on my last purchase.
And 3/2 pulldown issues arent the only causes of artifacts, just the major one



You are correct in theory, but on television smaller than 50" and at the typical viewing distances that most sit from the panel it might not even matter.

I bought into this also, but after comparing two sets, one 720p and one 1080p, it does make a difference



There are no scan lines on digital televisions Pix, its all pixels.

True but human behaviour changes slowly, and people still refer to scan lines


I am not so sure anyone is hobbling bluray with a 720p display. As I have mention earlier, at the distance most folks set from the panel, and since most folks have bought panels smaller than 50", it really does not matter. Now that larger size panels are becoming more competitively priced, it may matter soon.

They are, and all I AM SAYING is that if you want the best outta your BLU you need 1080p.
NOW IF a set was a short term purchase than sure you could get by with a 720p for awhile, especially if it had extreme highq, but that is not the case for most, for most its a long term purchase.
And after living with 1080p for awhile Its my opinion (and only that) that
1080p is worth the effort, even at the sacrifice of screen size.
Its not a gimmick, or a fad, its for real, and it provides a really
pleasant experience.
AND the posters on this board, they are ALL PQ "crazy", you know they arent going to "settle" for less, even if the improvement is slight .
Which will lead to some gut wrenching decisions down the road.
A monitor is a major purchase, and the fact that we already have a 1080p format, with more to follow, means that it needs to be considered.:1:

pixelthis
10-21-2008, 09:56 PM
You left out the part about plasma also being available in 1080p.

Just saying.


This is outside the plasma being dead thing and all.
This is about 720p being dead.:1:

pixelthis
10-21-2008, 10:05 PM
Basically this is a repeat of the situation a few years back.
Plasma was extremely expensive, so they were selling "EDTV"
plasma sets that were 480p.
They were cheaper but not HD.
This is not as clearcut a decision as it might seem, as HDTV was bought back then primarily for great DVD pics, there was little HD available, and DVD looked fine on a EDTV.
Well, I don't know of anyone who didnt regret that purchase.
A HDTV cost 700 bucks more, was a CRT RPTV, and it was six months before I saw any "real" HDTV on the sucker.
But it was worth the hassle
Now once again Plasma cuts the res of their displays in order to undercut a competitor.
We learn from history that we learn nothing from history:1:

pixelthis
10-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Well thought out, intellligently composed and filled with a lot of truisms.

Now, what did you do with the real pixie?

BURIED OUT BACK WITH THE "REAL" MARKW:1:

GMichael
10-22-2008, 05:12 AM
This is outside the plasma being dead thing and all.
This is about 720p being dead.:1:
Dead?! But.. but.... My projectors seem to work just fine.

Yeah Pix, 1080p is better than 720p. No doubt. Especially when you get to the 100" sizes. There's a price vs performance thing going on though. When I bought my projectors 3 years ago, 1080p models were going for $10,000+. That was out of my budget. So I got 2, 720p models for $2k each (including screens, mounts & HD cables). If I had it to do over today, I'd go 1080p. There are models going for $2500 now.
Someone buying a 42" screen and sitting 10' or more away may not see as big of a difference. Is there some? Yeah. Is it worth the extra cash? Only your wallet knows for sure.
In a few years it may be very hard to find any 720 models on the market. Till then, they will still be very nice for the budget minded. And when everyone stops selling them, the ones already sold are not going to all drop dead overnight.
Now, go slip in a BR movie and tell us how good it looks.

zepman1
10-22-2008, 05:43 AM
Man, talk about beating a dead horse. How many threads really need to be devoted to the 1080/720 and LCD/Plasma debate? I mean there really is very little to debate.

All things equal 1080p is better than 720p, hands down. More resolution is always a good thing. It also costs more and this is an issue for some people.

All things equal, plasma has a better picture than LCD, hands down. Contrast ratio, black levels and viewing angle are all superior in every way.

Is there really anything else that needs to be said?

GMichael
10-22-2008, 06:14 AM
Man, talk about beating a dead horse. How many threads really need to be devoted to the 1080/720 and LCD/Plasma debate? I mean there really is very little to debate.

All things equal 1080p is better than 720p, hands down. More resoution is always a good thing. It also costs more and this is an issue for some people.

All things equal, plasma has a better picture than LCD, hands down. Contrast ratio, black levels and viewing angle are all superior in every way.

Is there really anything else that needs to be said?

No, but....

Well, you'll see.

pixelthis
10-23-2008, 12:46 AM
Man, talk about beating a dead horse. How many threads really need to be devoted to the 1080/720 and LCD/Plasma debate? I mean there really is very little to debate.

All things equal 1080p is better than 720p, hands down. More resolution is always a good thing. It also costs more and this is an issue for some people.

All things equal, plasma has a better picture than LCD, hands down. Contrast ratio, black levels and viewing angle are all superior in every way.

Is there really anything else that needs to be said?


Just one point, which is all I AM SAYING, REALLY.
I know the mentality of those who frequent boards like this, because I have the same mentality.
AND all of the guys buying into 720p, for whatever reason, to save cash, to get a bigger screen, they just dont want to wait...
WELL, its gonna be nice at first, but eventually it will start to eat,
first like a mosquito bite, then like the occasional wasp sting.
Eventually it will be like a thousand termites going after pinochio.
I KNOW this thing, have been there myself thousands of times.
Just save yourself the trouble, regardless of LCD or PLASMA.
GET a 1080P, just go ahead , reconize your inner demon that demands perfection, and save yourself a lot of trouble.
SURE 720P will be around for awhile, and will do fine for some.
But not YOU.
YOU are not granny watching her "shows", granny didnt buy several thousand dollars worth of cables, speakers, etc, 720p wont make much diff watching Drew Carey on the price if right.
But the near pristine copy of Chinatown that they showed on
UHD the other night?
Admit it, you DEMAND perfection, rationalize the purchase all you want, of plain ol 720p, yesterdays perfection.
sooner or later, quite sheepish, you are gonna shamble down to the
local pusher at the video store, and plunk down the cash.
You know you will:1:

Duds
10-23-2008, 05:39 AM
Watching sports on my brothers Pioneer 5080 was perfect for me, since 1080p doesnt make a difference with hi-def cable broadcasts.


Just one point, which is all I AM SAYING, REALLY.
I know the mentality of those who frequent boards like this, because I have the same mentality.
AND all of the guys buying into 720p, for whatever reason, to save cash, to get a bigger screen, they just dont want to wait...
WELL, its gonna be nice at first, but eventually it will start to eat,
first like a mosquito bite, then like the occasional wasp sting.
Eventually it will be like a thousand termites going after pinochio.
I KNOW this thing, have been there myself thousands of times.
Just save yourself the trouble, regardless of LCD or PLASMA.
GET a 1080P, just go ahead , reconize your inner demon that demands perfection, and save yourself a lot of trouble.
SURE 720P will be around for awhile, and will do fine for some.
But not YOU.
YOU are not granny watching her "shows", granny didnt buy several thousand dollars worth of cables, speakers, etc, 720p wont make much diff watching Drew Carey on the price if right.
But the near pristine copy of Chinatown that they showed on
UHD the other night?
Admit it, you DEMAND perfection, rationalize the purchase all you want, of plain ol 720p, yesterdays perfection.
sooner or later, quite sheepish, you are gonna shamble down to the
local pusher at the video store, and plunk down the cash.
You know you will:1:

Rich-n-Texas
10-23-2008, 05:50 AM
A year & 1/2 ago when I bought my TV, I had the choice of 720 or 1080. My buying habits lean towards bang-for-the-buck and futureproofing, which I feel is what I got with my Mits 1080p DLP. Changing bulbs adds expense for sure, but if all I have to replace over the next ten years is a bulb or two, thats fine with me. Beats replacing other, more expensive technologies every 3 - 5 years. And even if I have to replace the light engine once or twice over that span of time, I still think I've come out ahead.

zepman1
10-23-2008, 06:11 AM
Future proofing is a big thing for me too. I will be in the market for a new tv soon, and it will be 1080p without a doubt. The only question is LCD, plasma, or front projector... But, to each their own.

DetroitIrish
10-23-2008, 07:44 AM
damn! I have to replace a bulb about once every 18-24 months on my DLP :(
And YES i turned off torch mode

GMichael
10-23-2008, 08:05 AM
Future proofing is a big thing for me too. I will be in the market for a new tv soon, and it will be 1080p without a doubt. The only question is LCD, plasma, or front projector... But, to each their own.

They all have their pluses and minuses.

LCD is the easiest. Brightest, uses the least energy, has the least upkeep (no bulbs to replace).
Plasma has the best picture of the 3. Best color, best black level. Weighs more, has some glare (but not as bad as older models).
Projectors get you the biggest picture for the buck. You can have a 100"+ 1080p picture for under $2500. You'll need to control the lighting though. The bulbs burn out every 2000 to 3000 hours of use, and cost between $200 & $400 depending on model & how good you are at shopping. The projectors I bought came with extra bulbs. Three years of viewing A LOT of TV and I still have 1 spare.
720p models can be found for $500 if you look hard enough.
A fourth choice is DLP. Not as flat as the other 3, but not as bad as CRT. You can get a bigger screen for the buck than LCD or plasma (but not as big as projectors) It also needs the bulbs changed. About the same story as projectors, but you don't need to control the lighting as much.
A lot of +++ and --- all around. What means the most to you?

kexodusc
10-23-2008, 09:20 AM
They all have their pluses and minuses.

LCD is the easiest. Brightest, uses the least energy, has the least upkeep (no bulbs to replace).
Plasma has the best picture of the 3. Best color, best black level. Weighs more, has some glare (but not as bad as older models).
Projectors get you the biggest picture for the buck. You can have a 100"+ 1080p picture for under $2500. You'll need to control the lighting though. The bulbs burn out every 2000 to 3000 hours of use, and cost between $200 & $400 depending on model & how good you are at shopping. The projectors I bought came with extra bulbs. Three years of viewing A LOT of TV and I still have 1 spare.
720p models can be found for $500 if you look hard enough.
A fourth choice is DLP. Not as flat as the other 3, but not as bad as CRT. You can get a bigger screen for the buck than LCD or plasma (but not as big as projectors) It also needs the bulbs changed. About the same story as projectors, but you don't need to control the lighting as much.
A lot of +++ and --- all around. What means the most to you?
On that note, I am hijacking this thread. :cornut:
GM, how many hours do you get out of a bulb in your projector? My room is extremely well light controlled, as in black and dark in broad daylight unless I bring the lights up a bit. On my projector, I have my brightness/contrast settings turned down, not making too big an image, projector's not too far back etc. Ran DVE on it to get it as good as I could.
I got 1 free replacement bulb with mine, and purchased another. I figured I'd get a year out of it, between my wife and I we get about 100 hrs per month. If I can get more than a year that'd be a bonus. Just curious as to what I can expect.
I kinda figured the 2000-3000 hour claim was a manufacturer being extremely generous like, quoting gas mileage in a new car....maybe not?

GMichael
10-23-2008, 09:37 AM
On that note, I am hijacking this thread. :cornut:
GM, how many hours do you get out of a bulb in your projector? My room is extremely well light controlled, as in black and dark in broad daylight unless I bring the lights up a bit. On my projector, I have my brightness/contrast settings turned down, not making too big an image, projector's not too far back etc. Ran DVE on it to get it as good as I could.
I got 1 free replacement bulb with mine, and purchased another. I figured I'd get a year out of it, between my wife and I we get about 100 hrs per month. If I can get more than a year that'd be a bonus. Just curious as to what I can expect.

I got about 2700 hours out of the first bulb. But that projector is set up at the edge of it's limits. I don't keep that one in econo mode because it needs the extra light to fill the big grey screen in that room. The one in the bedroom sits closer to the white 92" screen. It is in econo mode and has yet to show signs of dimming at almost 2500 hours. My bulbs are rated at 3000 hours in econo mode. Your Epson says about the same thing about your bulb. 2500 in normal mode, 3000 in eco-mode. You should get 2-3 years out of a bulb at the 100hrs/month rate. Do you use the eco-mode? You should be close enough to have it still be plenty bright for you.

kexodusc
10-23-2008, 10:03 AM
I got about 2700 hours out of the first bulb. But that projector is set up at the edge of it's limits. I don't keep that one in econo mode because it needs the extra light to fill the big grey screen in that room. The one in the bedroom sits closer to the white 92" screen. It is in econo mode and has yet to show signs of dimming at almost 2500 hours. My bulbs are rated at 3000 hours in econo mode. Your Epson says about the same thing about your bulb. 2500 in normal mode, 3000 in eco-mode. You should get 2-3 years out of a bulb at the 100hrs/month rate. Do you use the eco-mode? You should be close enough to have it still be plenty bright for you.
Hmmm, there's no "eco-mode" on my product model, is that just projector-speak?

I have all the brightness settings on low, color mode set to Theatre 2 (dark, light controlled rooms for optimal blacks) my color temp is 6500K, and the contrast and and brightness were cranked down from Torch mode.

Oh and I have a "Brightness Control" setting set to low, if that's what you mean. The manual states:
"This setting controls the light output from the projector. On HIGH the lamp uses 170 W of power, on LOW the lamp uses 135 watts."

Is that what you're referring to?

GMichael
10-23-2008, 10:32 AM
Hmmm, there's no "eco-mode" on my product model, is that just projector-speak?

I have all the brightness settings on low, color mode set to Theatre 2 (dark, light controlled rooms for optimal blacks) my color temp is 6500K, and the contrast and and brightness were cranked down from Torch mode.

Oh and I have a "Brightness Control" setting set to low, if that's what you mean. The manual states:
"This setting controls the light output from the projector. On HIGH the lamp uses 170 W of power, on LOW the lamp uses 135 watts."

Is that what you're referring to?


Is this the model you have? Maybe that's just a term that this site uses. http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epson-PowerLite_Home_Cinema_1080_UB.htm

Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB Projector Specifications
MSRP (USD) : $2,799
Brightness (Lumens) : 1600 ANSI
Contrast (Full On/Off) : 50000:1
Variable Iris: Yes
High Brightness:
ANSI Lumens: **
Contrast Ratio: 4000:1
High Contrast:
ANSI Lumens: **
Contrast Ratio: 50000:1
Audible Noise: 32.0 dB
Eco-Mode: 24.0 dB
Weight: 12.0 lbs
Size (inches) (HxWxD) : 4.8 x 12.2 x 15.6
Std. Lens: Focus:
Manual
Zoom: Manual, 2.10:1
Throw Dist (feet) : 8.3 - 14.8
Image Size (inches) : 40.0 - 150.0
Optional Lenses: No
Digital Zoom: **
Digital Keystone: No
Lens Shift: Horz & Vert
Networking: Wired:
No
Wireless: No
Warranty: 2 Years
Performance:
H-Sync Range: **
V-Sync Range: **
Compatibility:
HDTV: 720p, 1080i, 1080p/60
1080p/24
EDTV/480p: Yes
SDTV/480i: Yes
Component Video: Yes
Video: Yes
Digital Input: HDMI (HDCP)
Computers: Yes
Display: Type:
0.7" 3LCD
Native: 1920x1080 Pixels
Maximum: 1920x1080 Pixels
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (HD)
Lamp: Type:
170W E-TORL
Life: 2500 hours
Eco-Mode Life: 3000 hours
Quantity: 1
Speakers: No
Max Power: **
Voltage: 100V - 240V
FCC Class: B
Special: RS232 Port

Status: Shipping
First Ship: Dec 2007

GMichael
10-23-2008, 10:49 AM
I was flipping through the manual. It doesn't seem to say anything about Eco-mode or lamp settings. It only seems to have brightness settings with a mention of how it can extend lamp life if set low.
By the way, even with the new projectors coming out this year, this one still tops my wish list.

kexodusc
10-23-2008, 11:04 AM
I was flipping through the manual. It doesn't seem to say anything about Eco-mode or lamp settings. It only seems to have brightness settings with a mention of how it can extend lamp life if set low.
By the way, even with the new projectors coming out this year, this one still tops my wish list.
Yeah, that's her...
A quick email to another owner on another forum confirmed what you're saying. The low brightness setting is the eco-mode.

I got to visit a (I don't want to call him friend) person's place last week who had the new Optoma HD81-LV. I don't mind saying it was a nice projector overall, the picture on his 106" screen was maybe a bit better than what I have...it certainly didn't blow me away, but I wasn't exactly doing a side by side either.
He paid over $6000, so at maybe less than 1/3 the price I'm not complaining.
I can honestly say that I don't have the trained eye or bother to notice any of its deficiencies and I'm very happy with the purchase.

Wow if I can get 2 years out of a bulb I'm set....

GMichael
10-23-2008, 11:20 AM
You should get 2+ years with no problem. I like that model very much. Let me know if you ever need parts for it. We can get Epson parts at a good price. That lamp costs us $260.

kexodusc
10-23-2008, 11:36 AM
You should get 2+ years with no problem. I like that model very much. Let me know if you ever need parts for it. We can get Epson parts at a good price. That lamp costs us $260.
Oh, I see...good to keep in mind. I have 2 spare bulbs now. Wonder if it'd be worth getting the filters?

GMichael
10-23-2008, 12:02 PM
Oh, I see...good to keep in mind. I have 2 spare bulbs now. Wonder if it'd be worth getting the filters?
If you mean part number 1304675, they are 0.52 each. I don't know if I'd want to spend THAT much.

pixelthis
10-23-2008, 10:28 PM
A year & 1/2 ago when I bought my TV, I had the choice of 720 or 1080. My buying habits lean towards bang-for-the-buck and futureproofing, which I feel is what I got with my Mits 1080p DLP. Changing bulbs adds expense for sure, but if all I have to replace over the next ten years is a bulb or two, thats fine with me. Beats replacing other, more expensive technologies every 3 - 5 years. And even if I have to replace the light engine once or twice over that span of time, I still think I've come out ahead.


And now I am stealing it back.
ONE contribution your companies DLP chips have made was the advent of 1080p, at least thats my understanding.
WERENT any serious 1080p displays out there until DLP started in with the "woblelation " process (or whatever you call it) of shaking a chip to get twice the resolution outta it.
Weren't you guys first with a serious 1080p SET?:1:

Rich-n-Texas
10-24-2008, 04:50 AM
I'd have to look into that. But I will give you this bit of inside info: the DLP group has survived the latest re-org of the company, but at this time the group doesn't have the visibility it had a couple of years ago. There will be a lot more focus on Medical (imaging I suspect) going forward.

zepman1
10-24-2008, 05:38 AM
DLP is a good technology and can put out a great picture when properly implemented. I don't know how it can hang on going forward since it seems like everything is moving towards flat panels whether they be plasma or LCD. Its just too damn big.

GMichael
10-24-2008, 06:46 AM
DLP is still viable for projectors. They tend to give a better picture than the LCD models, but pricing has been much higher. Now the prices are coming more in line, while LCD's have become almost as good. Still, DLP projectors are very popular in projector circles. They may never be as popular as a basic flat screen TV, but they are way more popular than they were 4 or 5 years ago.

Rich-n-Texas
10-24-2008, 07:58 AM
My 57" DLP TV is 17" deep, which I agree is big and bulky, however, it IS 57" and I paid under $2K for it 1 & 1/2 years ago. No, I can't hang it on a wall (the thought never entered my mind during the decision making phase anyway), but I don't have to pay $80 - $100 bucks for a mounting bracket either. Another thing, if it wasn't so wide I'd be able to pick it up myself because it's surprisingly lightweight.

kexodusc
10-24-2008, 08:26 AM
My 57" DLP TV is 17" deep, which I agree is big and bulky, however, it IS 57" and I paid under $2K for it 1 & 1/2 years ago. No, I can't hang it on a wall (the thought never entered my mind during the decision making phase anyway), but I don't have to pay $80 - $100 bucks for a mounting bracket either. Another thing, if it wasn't so wide I'd be able to pick it up myself because it's surprisingly lightweight.
I love my 51" Toshiba RPTV. It's 4 years old now. Still works great. The PQ is better than our new LCD for the most part, especially cpntrast, but color is a bit better too.
And it's thicker and heavier than your DLP Rick.
But if I could do it over again, I probably would have picked a DLP model a year later. Oh well...wife bought it for me before we were married, I wasn't complaining. I'm probably going to give it to my folks. It's sort of in the way now.

Rich-n-Texas
10-24-2008, 09:06 AM
My boss got a LED DLP TV (60 some inches) for his 25th anniversary and he just loves it. I'll ask him what the dimensions are and I'll bet it's lighter than mine.

Nevertheless, DLP will survive in one form or another. One might someday find oneself looking at a picture of his/her brain in glorious 1080p resolution. :yikes:

pixelthis
10-24-2008, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=Rich-n-Texas]My boss got a LED DLP TV (60 some inches) for his 25th anniversary and he just loves it. I'll ask him what the dimensions are and I'll bet it's lighter than mine.

Nevertheless, DLP will survive in one form or another. One might someday find oneself looking at a picture of his/her brain in glorious 1080p resolution. :yikes:

johnny p
10-24-2008, 02:14 PM
My 720p DLP Front Projector looks good to me..... I just care about the audio really..... but I have 2 blu-ray players nonetheless.......


Even on my 37" LCD that is 720p, the "wow" factor from DVD to Blu-ray (I have about 30-40 movies on Blu-ray that I already own on DVD) is AMAZING...... worth EVERY penny, as you'd say :D

Again, it's worth it to me..... but I think size/viewing distance has more to do with whether you're going to buy 720p or 1080p, because I sit 8 feet away from my 37", and with or without blu-ray, I'd be hard pressed to justify spending more (although my set was free) for the 1080p model.


Speaking of 720p vs 1080p, I notice a lot of people are holding onto older 1080i CRT projectors rather than upgrading to 1080p LCD/DLP projectors because they prefer the image quality of the CRT projector..... I've seen them in action as well, and I agree (until you get to the upper levels, or at least moderately pricey ones)


O.K. attack me now........................


You also know there is more to image quality than lines of resolution.... anyone with a Vizio should know THAT!


Room isn't done yet, no audio equipment, and blu-ray player was just set up to adjust the screen......

I appologize for my lack of window treatments (I'm sealing them off completely, and putting up velvet curtains to conceal the accoustical panels)

Also sorry for the angle shots, and poor photography



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