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Lexmark3200
03-11-2004, 07:19 PM
What happens when a DVD that boasts a 6.1 DTS ES or Dolby Digital EX soundtrack is played back through a 5.1 system? Is anything "lost" per se without that sixth back surround channel? My receiver does decode DTS ES and DD EX signals, but I am only running a 5.1 array, yet I choose DTS ES and DD EX soundtracks from DVD menus when they are available----what happens when you play back films with 6.1 channel soundtracks through 5.1 systems? Is the "extended" sound somehow being "ghosted" or "matrixed" between the standard surrounds?

zapr
03-11-2004, 07:48 PM
............It would be the same as running the front centre in phantom mode. You'll hear things localize between the rear surrounds........Zapr.

Lexmark3200
03-11-2004, 08:00 PM
............It would be the same as running the front centre in phantom mode. You'll hear things localize between the rear surrounds........Zapr.

Thanks Zap,

So Im not really listening to "Discrete" 6.1 without the back surround channel, but kind of "ghosted" 6.1? Is it much different from 5.1?

zapr
03-11-2004, 09:51 PM
.........If you were to run a test sequence on your speakers, when the noise comes to the rear centre it will sound from the two rear surrounds at the same time creating a rear phantom centre speaker. Listening to a 6.1 dvd on a 5.1 system, the signal to the rear centre would be distributed to both rear surrounds. Just for example, I have the T2 extreme dvd which is 6.1 and played on my 5.1 system, I hear sounds directly behind me. Although a centre channel would localize better...........Zapr

Lexmark3200
03-11-2004, 10:19 PM
.........If you were to run a test sequence on your speakers, when the noise comes to the rear centre it will sound from the two rear surrounds at the same time creating a rear phantom centre speaker. Listening to a 6.1 dvd on a 5.1 system, the signal to the rear centre would be distributed to both rear surrounds. Just for example, I have the T2 extreme dvd which is 6.1 and played on my 5.1 system, I hear sounds directly behind me. Although a centre channel would localize better...........Zapr

Thanks Again Zap...

So, then, what is the point of a 6.1 system exactly if you are hearing the sixth channel's signal between the two surrounds of a standard 5.1 setup? Just some dedicated signal every now and then from the center rear?

vivisimonvi
03-12-2004, 12:21 AM
So, then, what is the point of a 6.1 system exactly if you are hearing the sixth channel's signal between the two surrounds of a standard 5.1 setup? Just some dedicated signal every now and then from the center rear?

Depends if you find it convenient to place a speaker directly behind you. My receiver is 6.1 capable but I find it HIGHLY inconvenient to place another speaker behind me in my setup. I find the matrixed effect from two back surrounds to work very well (depending on how good your surrounds matrix a "back surround" effect). It's all a matter of opinion, although not a lot of movie soundtracks support 6.1. Heck, we've gone this far why not have a 10.1 system in the next decade? Just stick with the standard 5.1 setup with good surround back speakers... I would think adding another discrete channel would rob power and add more stress to your receiver anyways.

Monstrous Mike
03-12-2004, 06:45 AM
Thanks Again Zap...

So, then, what is the point of a 6.1 system exactly if you are hearing the sixth channel's signal between the two surrounds of a standard 5.1 setup? Just some dedicated signal every now and then from the center rear?
I think these guys have covered this already here. It is similar to using the fronts without a centre and using the Phantom Center Mode. Any panning from right to left, etc. will likely sound better with a rear centre. Also any dialog will appear to come from directly behind you, if that is what is encoded by the sound engineer.

In the end, it really is a matter of opinion and whether you can position a centre rear speaker properly in your home. I think having a receiver that is 6.1 capable and matrixes the rear center to the rear surrounds is a pretty good compromise. It is a lot better than a 5.1 receiver which simply discards that rear center channel information.

Jim Clark
03-12-2004, 06:47 AM
Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha

stop it! You're killing me (wipes tears from his eyes)

bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha

jc

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 08:58 AM
I think these guys have covered this already here. It is similar to using the fronts without a centre and using the Phantom Center Mode. Any panning from right to left, etc. will likely sound better with a rear centre. Also any dialog will appear to come from directly behind you, if that is what is encoded by the sound engineer.

In the end, it really is a matter of opinion and whether you can position a centre rear speaker properly in your home. I think having a receiver that is 6.1 capable and matrixes the rear center to the rear surrounds is a pretty good compromise. It is a lot better than a 5.1 receiver which simply discards that rear center channel information.

Fair enough.

This Guy
03-12-2004, 09:12 AM
dude give it a rest. You know you asked this question about 8 times in the past year, we keep telling you, except you continue to ask the question as if nobody answered it. He's just messing with you new members. Do a search for this screen name, as well as "To live and die in New York". Both are the same person asking the same question over and over. I thought this guy changed cause he was actually starting some legit posts, but i guess that didn't last too long.

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 09:19 AM
dude give it a rest. You know you asked this question about 8 times in the past year, we keep telling you, except you continue to ask the question as if nobody answered it. He's just messing with you new members. Do a search for this screen name, as well as "To live and die in New York". Both are the same person asking the same question over and over. I thought this guy changed cause he was actually starting some legit posts, but i guess that didn't last too long.


FIrst of all, "dude", you cant prove that I am "messing" with anyone-----I am NOT messing with anyone and I say that here with angst and disgust toward a glaring generalized comment such as yours----I dont know any "To live and die in New York" and I am not "messing" with any new members----I really did want to know what happens when playing a 6.1 DVD through a 5.1 system. Seems the characteristics of surround systems change from disc to disc in this scenario, so I was just curious. I think its YOU who needs to give it a rest because I clearly stated to the last poster "FAIR ENOUGH, THANK YOU" and was accepting his analysis of the topic until you stepped in.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-12-2004, 09:28 AM
Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha

stop it! You're killing me (wipes tears from his eyes)

bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha

jc

Jim,

Dang man, I know why you are laughing and its too funny. You do not have to out any imposter, just wait and they'll out themselves. <img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/muahaha.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/lol.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/grrr.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/wall.gif">

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-12-2004, 09:32 AM
dude give it a rest. You know you asked this question about 8 times in the past year, we keep telling you, except you continue to ask the question as if nobody answered it. He's just messing with you new members. Do a search for this screen name, as well as "To live and die in New York". Both are the same person asking the same question over and over. I thought this guy changed cause he was actually starting some legit posts, but i guess that didn't last too long.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL........ouch it hurts.............I have no more emoticons to express my feelings.....hehehehehehehe.....ooopps here is one <img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/felloff.gif"> I guess that sums it up!

JSE
03-12-2004, 09:33 AM
dude give it a rest. You know you asked this question about 8 times in the past year, we keep telling you, except you continue to ask the question as if nobody answered it. He's just messing with you new members. Do a search for this screen name, as well as "To live and die in New York". Both are the same person asking the same question over and over. I thought this guy changed cause he was actually starting some legit posts, but i guess that didn't last too long.


And John Beresford or something like that. 3 screen names and counting.


JSE

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 09:39 AM
Jim,

Dang man, I know why you are laughing and its too funny. You do not have to out any imposter, just wait and they'll out themselves. <img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/muahaha.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/lol.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/grrr.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/wall.gif">

God, you clowns are too funny.....I myself am cracking up reading these hilarious posts you actually take time out of your day to write....I met clowns like you at the CES show and CEDIA exhibits in Vegas, and they exhibited the exact same behavior....until it went too far and they were arrested by LVPD when their opinions and accusations went, lets say, over the edge. But my god, was it entertaining!

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 09:42 AM
And John Beresford or something like that. 3 screen names and counting.


JSE

Oh I knew it was a matter of time until I heard from you, Mr. JSE.....I have read and bore witness to ALL your posts on here, attacking innocnent people who are simply trying to learn and/or share problems with gear.....I KNEW YOU couldnt possibly stay out of this for too long, because, well, its just in your nature, isnt it? Gonna attack someone new now once again, are ye? AMAZING people like you actually exist in this world....absolutely amazing. Fun of the chase, eh, JSE?

JSE
03-12-2004, 09:44 AM
God, you clowns are too funny.....I myself am cracking up reading these hilarious posts you actually take time out of your day to write....I met clowns like you at the CES show and CEDIA exhibits in Vegas, and they exhibited the exact same behavior....until it went too far and they were arrested by LVPD when their opinions and accusations went, lets say, over the edge. But my god, was it entertaining!


In Vegas were you? John Beresford went there to visit his folks a couple months back. Don't your parents live there to? Hmmmm, funny.

JSE

JSE
03-12-2004, 09:49 AM
Oh I knew it was a matter of time until I heard from you, Mr. JSE.....I have read and bore witness to ALL your posts on here, attacking innocnent people who are simply trying to learn and/or share problems with gear.....I KNEW YOU couldnt possibly stay out of this for too long, because, well, its just in your nature, isnt it? Gonna attack someone new now once again, are ye? AMAZING people like you actually exist in this world....absolutely amazing. Fun of the chase, eh, JSE?


Huh? Attacking innocent people? When? Show me examples. The only people I have ever had issues with are you, TLADINY, and to some extent John B. You know, YOU. Again, who are all these people I attack? This could not be farther from the truth.

JSE

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 09:50 AM
In Vegas were you? John Beresford went there to visit his folks a couple months back. Don't your parents live there to? Hmmmm, funny.

JSE

I dont know any John Beresford. And Vegas is where most of the consumer electronics gatherings happen to take place nowadays; seems to be growing in popularity as an entertainment mecca as well as convention nucleus.

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 09:51 AM
Huh? Attacking innocent people? When? Show me examples. The only people I have ever had issues with are you, TLADINY, and to some extent John B. You know, YOU. Again, who are all these people I attack? This could not be farther from the truth.

JSE

PEOPLE-----as in the PEOPLE you mention above----PEOPLE I DONT KNOW.

kelsci
03-12-2004, 11:26 AM
Lexmark; I and others some time ago explained very well this whole deal about EX and ES sound. We who answered you went into great detail over this subject. Some of the answers you are receiving here particulaly with the emoticons may seem funny but in a sense they are not. These members of this forum including myself just cannot believe that you are asking the same question on this topic again. Are you sure you are not suffering from some kind of memory loss? I do not mean that to be funny; I am serious. Also using a different name that you have used under TO LIVE AND DIE IN NEW YORK and asking similar or the same questions could possibly mean you may not realize that you have another personality that I would call a twin or mirror image of your current personality that does not allow you to realize that you have done all this before. There is a possiblity of a third personality under the name of John Beresford; MAYBE.... I found Mr. Beresford to be somewhat different in his nature and defintely more focused on the answers he received. I am not going to berate you in anyway here. I am simply trying to make you aware that there may be something going on with you that you personally are not aware of.

I do not have a EX-ES receiver. On my rear speakers, I hear plenty of sounds between the two rears if the soundtrack has been mixed to produce sounds other than coming from the the sides of the two rear channels. Sir Terrence some time ago explained the phasing angle which goes to zero which would be REAR CENTER. When you hear sounds coming from areas in the rear other than the sides, the best derfinition to call this phenomena is called CENTER BACK SURROUND IMAGING wether the disc has an EX-ES matrix track or not. FINDING NEMO has tons of EX information in the rear. A non-EX disc that also has plenty of rear action across the rear speakers is THE MATRIX.

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 11:34 AM
Lexmark; I and others some time ago explained very well this whole deal about EX and ES sound. We who answered you went into great detail over this subject. Some of the answers you are receiving here particulaly with the emoticons may seem funny but in a sense they are not. These members of this forum including myself just cannot believe that you are asking the same question on this topic again. Are you sure you are not suffering from some kind of memory loss? I do not mean that to be funny; I am serious. Also using a different name that you have used under TO LIVE AND DIE IN NEW YORK and asking similar or the same questions could possibly mean you may not realize that you have another personality that I would call a twin or mirror image of your current personality that does not allow you to realize that you have done all this before. There is a possiblity of a third personality under the name of John Beresford; MAYBE.... I found Mr. Beresford to be somewhat different in his nature and defintely more focused on the answers he received. I am not going to berate you in anyway here. I am simply trying to make you aware that there may be something going on with you that you personally are not aware of.

I do not have a EX-ES receiver. On my rear speakers, I hear plenty of sounds between the two rears if the soundtrack has been mixed to produce sounds other than coming from the the sides of the two rear channels. Sir Terrence some time ago explained the phasing angle which goes to zero which would be REAR CENTER. When you hear sounds coming from areas in the rear other than the sides, the best derfinition to call this phenomena is called CENTER BACK SURROUND IMAGING wether the disc has an EX-ES matrix track or not. FINDING NEMO has tons of EX information in the rear. A non-EX disc that also has plenty of rear action across the rear speakers is THE MATRIX.

I do not suffer from any kind of mental delaipdation as you suggest; perhaps this topic was covered some time back, but I was not aware of the depth the topic possessed; at any rate, I really WAS confused to what I was hearing when playing back 6.1 DVDs through the standard 5.1 setup, or if I should even be doing that. I was here in this forum some time back, under this name, but know of no "Live and Die..." or "John Beresford" as you accuse me of (well, you actually cut me some slack on the Beresford issue)....so, your receiver is 5.1 only and you do hear sounds coming from between the surrounds? I dont understand the whole center back surround imaging thing.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-12-2004, 12:27 PM
PEOPLE-----as in the PEOPLE you mention above----PEOPLE I DONT KNOW.

I wrote a song about it, wanna hear it? Goes sumptin like dis...

People I don't know...
I am in denial......
these people are me....
but I don't wanna agree

I am busted
Don't want nobody to know it
So I row along all alone
In the river denial

Why is my nose growing
were is all of this going
I cannot tell the truth
so my nose has been let loose

I row row all alone
with these people I don't know
I know I am lying
while rowing down de-ni-al

Oh yeah!!!!!

Hey that was good<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/thumbup.gif">
Whew, all that singin made me thirsty<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/guinesssmilie.gif">

Hey hey what is that headed my way........Its your nose!! its coming after me<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/w00t.gif">

kelsci
03-12-2004, 12:31 PM
Lexmark; You did not read my post carefully. I did not say that you are suffering from a mental delapidation. If there is something going on with you, I said that it is very possible you would be unaware of it. While I have more experience in the electronics surrounding home theater, I also have nearly the same length of experience with the psych business. I am writing answers to questions quite logically for a long time with a case of major affective disorder(an expression for "depression") going on since 1982 that has taken me on a very unpleasant roller coaster ride. Even as I type this, my brain feels like it was hit with a frypan and flattened like a pancake. A chemical disorder of the brain is nothing to be ashamed of today. The famamous and infamous have plenty of trouble with depression ( which is called a unipolar disorder) and the infamous bi-polar disorder, manic depression. I have also scene people who went into the throes of a psychosis(where people loose touch with reality and may cause other unwarrented side effects).

Lexmark; on the last go around, I went into the explanation of what you apparently are having problems understanding. I would have to search for a piece of info that Sir Terrence supplied me before going into this subject and attempting to explain it again perhaps with a better approach. Some of the technology I will not have access too but I think I could explain it enough. One thing you can do on your own that is simple and is what I told you the last time. If you have a DVD with the THX optimode option such as the last two Star WARS films, you need to play the audio section segment of the THX optimode test and listen to the pink noise tests involving phasing. There are two tests on that menu that involve the center back surround imaging. That would be a start. Hopefully, I will get back to you on the subject. Kelsci

Woochifer
03-12-2004, 12:39 PM
I wrote a song about it, wanna hear it? Goes sumptin like dis...

People I don't know...
I am in denial......
these people are me....
but I don't wanna agree

I am busted
Don't want nobody to know it
So I row along all alone
In the river denial

Why is my nose growing
were is all of this going
I cannot tell the truth
so my nose has been let loose

I row row all alone
with these people I don't know
I know I am lying
while rowing down de-ni-al

Oh yeah!!!!!

Hey that was good<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/thumbup.gif">
Whew, all that singin made me thirsty<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/guinesssmilie.gif">

Hey hey what is that headed my way........Its your nose!! its coming after me<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/w00t.gif">


Geez T-man, I can't keep up with you anymore! Member of royalty, sound engineer, comedian, poet, songwriter, emoticon historian, what's next in your occupational aspirations?

That was pretty friggin funny! The way that you put yourself into the psychological mindset of a troll was genius. I think either the FBI should come to your front door with some of their cold cases, or you just landed a part on the Sopranos (y'know as the poet psychiatrist laureate that cures Dr. Melfi's paranoid run-on-sentencitis, speaks in iambic pentameter from the 69 spot, and gets whacked by a jealous Tony in episode #11).

Hey, it's Friday and the first round's on me!

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 12:40 PM
Lexmark; You did not read my post carefully. I did not say that you are suffering from a mental delapidation. If there is something going on with you, I said that it is very possible you would be unaware of it. While I have more experience in the electronics surrounding home theater, I also have nearly the same length of experience with the psych business. I am writing answers to questions quite logically for a long time with a case of major affective disorder(an expression for "depression") going on since 1982 that has taken me on a very unpleasant roller coaster ride. Even as I type this, my brain feels like it was hit with a frypan and flattened like a pancake. A chemical disorder of the brain is nothing to be ashamed of today. The famamous and infamous have plenty of trouble with depression ( which is called a unipolar disorder) and the infamous bi-polar disorder, manic depression. I have also scene people who went into the throes of a psychosis(where people loose touch with reality and may cause other unwarrented side effects).

Lexmark; on the last go around, I went into the explanation of what you apparently are having problems understanding. I would have to search for a piece of info that Sir Terrence supplied me before going into this subject and attempting to explain it again perhaps with a better approach. Some of the technology I will not have access too but I think I could explain it enough. One thing you can do on your own that is simple and is what I told you the last time. If you have a DVD with the THX optimode option such as the last two Star WARS films, you need to play the audio section segment of the THX optimode test and listen to the pink noise tests involving phasing. There are two tests on that menu that involve the center back surround imaging. That would be a start. Hopefully, I will get back to you on the subject. Kelsci

Kel,

I would try Lexapro if I were you....Sir Terrence tells me it digests sufficiently, however unpleasant it would be anally.

kelsci
03-12-2004, 12:40 PM
Lexmark; You did not read my post carefully. I did not say that you are suffering from a mental delapidation. If there is something going on with you, I said that it is very possible you would be unaware of it. While I have more experience in the electronics surrounding home theater, I also have nearly the same length of experience with the psych business. I am writing answers to questions quite logically for a long time with a case of major affective disorder(an expression for "depression") going on since 1982 that has taken me on a very unpleasant roller coaster ride. Even as I type this, my brain feels like it was hit with a frypan and flattened like a pancake. A chemical disorder of the brain is nothing to be ashamed of today. So many people, both average and famous have had plenty of trouble with depression ( which is called a unipolar disorder) and the infamous bi-polar disorder, manic depression. I have also scene people who went into the throes of a psychosis(where people loose touch with reality and may cause other unwarrented side effects).

Lexmark; on the last go around, I went into the explanation of what you apparently are having problems understanding. I would have to search for a piece of info that Sir Terrence supplied me before going into this subject and attempting to explain it again perhaps with a better approach. Some of the technology I will not have access too but I think I could explain it enough. One thing you can do on your own that is simple and is what I told you the last time. If you have a DVD with the THX optimode option such as the last two Star WARS films, you need to play the audio section segment of the THX optimode test and listen to the pink noise tests involving phasing. There are two tests on that menu that involve the center back surround imaging. That would be a start. Hopefully, I will get back to you on the subject. Kelsci

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 12:41 PM
I wrote a song about it, wanna hear it? Goes sumptin like dis...

People I don't know...
I am in denial......
these people are me....
but I don't wanna agree

I am busted
Don't want nobody to know it
So I row along all alone
In the river denial

Why is my nose growing
were is all of this going
I cannot tell the truth
so my nose has been let loose

I row row all alone
with these people I don't know
I know I am lying
while rowing down de-ni-al

Oh yeah!!!!!

Hey that was good<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/thumbup.gif">
Whew, all that singin made me thirsty<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/guinesssmilie.gif">

Hey hey what is that headed my way........Its your nose!! its coming after me<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/w00t.gif">

Lexapro for you, my friend! (I already suggested a persrip for Kelly Welly)

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-12-2004, 02:41 PM
Lexapro for you, my friend! (I already suggested a persrip for Kelly Welly)

Lexy,
It is so cool that you are willing to share your personally designed medicine brand with me(a little Lexapro for Lexmark), but I am going to have to pass. You see I am not the one that has three personalities, and a problem with telling the truth and being honest. I am not the one who posts the SAME topics under three different names, gets a thorough explaination all three times, and still does not get it. So let's tally up this short list of illnesses.

1. Can't tell truth <img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif">
2. Three personalities.<img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/help.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/wacko.gif">
3. Reading comprehension sucks<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/withstupid.gif">
4. Sick in the noggin, yet giving out prescriptions <img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif">

With all of this going for you, sharing your medication should be the last thing in your mind. You need to take all of your pills, wait to see if it will work, and then ask for another prescription. But you didn't hear this from me cause I ain't one to gossip <img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/shutup.gif">

Hold on to your stuff man, you need it way worse than I do. Besides, I would never take medicinal candy from a patient.

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 03:52 PM
Lexy,
It is so cool that you are willing to share your personally designed medicine brand with me(a little Lexapro for Lexmark), but I am going to have to pass. You see I am not the one that has three personalities, and a problem with telling the truth and being honest. I am not the one who posts the SAME topics under three different names, gets a thorough explaination all three times, and still does not get it. So let's tally up this short list of illnesses.

1. Can't tell truth <img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif">
2. Three personalities.<img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/help.gif"><img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/wacko.gif">
3. Reading comprehension sucks<img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/withstupid.gif">
4. Sick in the noggin, yet giving out prescriptions <img src="http://www.linkmeallover.ca/discuss/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif">

With all of this going for you, sharing your medication should be the last thing in your mind. You need to take all of your pills, wait to see if it will work, and then ask for another prescription. But you didn't hear this from me cause I ain't one to gossip <img src="http://drumcorpsplanet.org/forums/html/emoticons/shutup.gif">

Hold on to your stuff man, you need it way worse than I do. Besides, I would never take medicinal candy from a patient.

Listen Terry My Boy,

Dont sound so pathetic to all your little internet buddies on here.....its okay to admit that YOU have the passive/aggressive problem and may need a little lithium to even out YOUR tempers, mood swings and attacks on innocent people asking innocent questions.....tut tut little Terrence....take it easy now.....no temper, remember what mommy taught you? Hiding behind a computer terminal now and accusing people YOU DONT EVEN KNOW that they are something or someone they AREN'T.....and YOU do not need the Lexapro? I found out from kind folks for you that the prescriptions arent that expensive for this stuff, Terr....your medical coverage should represent about 30 percent of the cost of these pills....AND I found out for you that they are taken one a day and may cause drowsiness....if there's anything else I can find out for you, please let me know.

Again....dont be so pathetic threatening and making fun of people from the comforts of your own home without even KNOWING who you are talking about.

Lexapro: 1 a day until your body feels the pills kicking in and easing that attitude on you. Easy dose!

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-12-2004, 05:32 PM
Listen Terry My Boy,

Dont sound so pathetic to all your little internet buddies on here.....its okay to admit that YOU have the passive/aggressive problem and may need a little lithium to even out YOUR tempers, mood swings and attacks on innocent people asking innocent questions.....tut tut little Terrence....take it easy now.....no temper, remember what mommy taught you? Hiding behind a computer terminal now and accusing people YOU DONT EVEN KNOW that they are something or someone they AREN'T.....and YOU do not need the Lexapro? I found out from kind folks for you that the prescriptions arent that expensive for this stuff, Terr....your medical coverage should represent about 30 percent of the cost of these pills....AND I found out for you that they are taken one a day and may cause drowsiness....if there's anything else I can find out for you, please let me know.

Again....dont be so pathetic threatening and making fun of people from the comforts of your own home without even KNOWING who you are talking about.

Lexapro: 1 a day until your body feels the pills kicking in and easing that attitude on you. Easy dose!

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cam
03-12-2004, 05:41 PM
Lexmark 3200: I have some advice for you, ask these guys another question, one that has not been asked before and only ask it once. Most people love jumping in and giving there take on it. I was getting crap kicked by Sir Terrence one time and instead of being confrontational I posted another intelligent question. It worked for me.

kelsci
03-12-2004, 08:13 PM
Lex; I just stopped taking Lexapro. This drug was not agreeing with me. I felt like my eyelids were carrying around a heavy suitcase. The only anti-depressant that gave me any particular relief for a short amount of time on depression was Effexor. This I still take. I just started another drug whose name I do not remember offhand. I just "celebrated" 18 years with the same doctor. Lexapro has agreed with a cousin and her husband. So far, I fall in the untreatable category with depression. The doctor himself admits this. I do keep trying. I could write plenty on psychiatry and would if this were a psychiatry forum. I hope that what I can do is hopefully try to explain to you if I take another shot is to help you understand about CENTER BACK IMAGING which thank god has nothing to do with anything in psychology or really psychoacoustics.. Kelsci

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 11:05 PM
Denial ain't just a river
Denial ain't just a river

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Denial ain't just a river

Denial ain't just a river

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Denial ain't just a river

Denial ain't just a river

Dont quit your day job!

Yawn***Yawn****Yawn.....

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 11:10 PM
Lex; I just stopped taking Lexapro. This drug was not agreeing with me. I felt like my eyelids were carrying around a heavy suitcase. The only anti-depressant that gave me any particular relief for a short amount of time on depression was Effexor. This I still take. I just started another drug whose name I do not remember offhand. I just "celebrated" 18 years with the same doctor. Lexapro has agreed with a cousin and her husband. So far, I fall in the untreatable category with depression. The doctor himself admits this. I do keep trying. I could write plenty on psychiatry and would if this were a psychiatry forum. I hope that what I can do is hopefully try to explain to you if I take another shot is to help you understand about CENTER BACK IMAGING which thank god has nothing to do with anything in psychology or really psychoacoustics.. Kelsci

Kel,

Really? Lexapro had that affect on you? I bumped into someone at the video store who was telling me about his experiences with the drug and he said the only side effect was some intimacy issues, which is common with men and these anti-depressants. Sorry nothing has really worked for you, drug-wise....I thought Lexapro was worth a shot to suggest because Im hearing good things about it.

True, the 6.1 dilemma has nothing to do with psychiatry! Im still trying to get a handle on this, though....if I sit between my two surrounds, in the Sweet Spot, and play back a 6.1 DTS ES or DD EX disc, I am HEARING a phantom back surround image between the two standard surrounds, is that it, because I only have a 5.1 speaker system? So how much am I actually MISSING from not having that back surround channel being that my surrounds can DERIVE sixth channel information from these DTS ES and DD EX discs?

Lexmark3200
03-12-2004, 11:13 PM
Lexmark 3200: I have some advice for you, ask these guys another question, one that has not been asked before and only ask it once. Most people love jumping in and giving there take on it. I was getting crap kicked by Sir Terrence one time and instead of being confrontational I posted another intelligent question. It worked for me.

Yeah but someone has to try and curb these guys, Cam....they cant just **** kick people because they may not "get something" the first time around, man....WHO MAKES THE RULES on what is "intelligent" in terms of a question and what isnt? I am SURE your first question was PLENTY PLENTY intelligent according to YOUR standards, but because Sir Terry Cloth SAYS your question WASNT intelligent and decides to crap kick ya, that makes you give up and throw the towel in and tell everyone else on here to just post another intelligent question? Are you serious? THIS is the way it works in this world? I hate to say not to me.

Not by a long shot.

Believe that.

Thank you for your input and enjoy your stay at Audio Review!

kelsci
03-13-2004, 11:35 AM
Kel,

Really? Lexapro had that affect on you? I bumped into someone at the video store who was telling me about his experiences with the drug and he said the only side effect was some intimacy issues, which is common with men and these anti-depressants. Sorry nothing has really worked for you, drug-wise....I thought Lexapro was worth a shot to suggest because Im hearing good things about it.

True, the 6.1 dilemma has nothing to do with psychiatry! Im still trying to get a handle on this, though....if I sit between my two surrounds, in the Sweet Spot, and play back a 6.1 DTS ES or DD EX disc, I am HEARING a phantom back surround image between the two standard surrounds, is that it, because I only have a 5.1 speaker system? So how much am I actually MISSING from not having that back surround channel being that my surrounds can DERIVE sixth channel information from these DTS ES and DD EX discs?

Lex; I do not remember where I saw the statistics, perhaps from the Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C. that there is a 70 percent response to depression treated with drug therapy. Of course no one talks about what happens to the 30 percent that do not respond to any of the drugs. S.A.D. is a form of depression caused by certain people who need sunlight. As such S.A.D is known as seasonal affective disorder. These patients are given a form of artificial sunlight that comes out of what I think are flourescent style bulbs. On one documentary, doctors tried everything including ECT on this one guy before they figured he had S.A.D. His life returned to normal with the light treatment. The medication I started with now is called ABILIFY. What a name for a drug. I have not even researched it yet to see what it is. My Psych. told me it is a SMART DRUG which does not mean that if I take it I get a 500 IQ. It is supposed to help in regulating seratonin and perhaps some other levels.

Lex; congradulations, what you are hearing is correct. You ask a good question as to how much are you missing without the sixth channel. I cannot tell you myself because I have not had access to a receiver that does the extra channel and see if there is a difference and how much difference there is if that sixth channel is there. Three films that I can think of that had no center back surround imaging was 21 days, Pearl Harbor and Armegeddon. These films had terrific rear surround sound on their rear speakers. Now I cannot recall one particular number so I am going to pick 45 however the actual number could be 90. What I am saying is that those three movies descreet surround track were recorded on the two rear channels at 45 degrees OUT OF PHASE(45 on the left and 45 on the right). Apparently, some sound engineers were fuddling around with the rear channels in mixing in the surround sound and wanted the sounds in the rear to come from the exact place in the rear they were heard. The only way they could do that would be to reduce the rear out of phase angle which was somewhere between 45 degrees left or right and center back which was 0. What apparently followed was the EX-ES MATRIX phenonemena which is essentially the same but may go thru some kind of encoder that adds some gusto to the sound. Although both THE PHANTOM MENACE and T-3 have center back surround imaging, the MENACE just has that encoding gusto which comes out between the two rear speakers. In my book, let the engineers keep mixing the films this way because it is the right way to present the rear sounds encoded with EX-ES or not. The only thing I heard where the sixth channel might be significant might be when the movie has dts-ES discrete. That does require the decoder and extra speaker to be operational. There are very few films that have ES-discrete. From my readings, owners who did this found GLADIATOR did well in this format. Other than that, if you have no room for that sixth speaker, do not worry about it. Just make sure your rears face towards your ears and are inline with your ears and you should be more than enough satisfied with what you'll be hearing. I am doubly satisfied because it is free, phenomenal, and makes the 5.1 system something for all to crow about.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-15-2004, 10:00 AM
Kel,
I am always amazed at your patience and kindness in the face of stupidity and billigerance. It stuns me that I can take the time to explain this process to the same person THREE times(with one screen name, and two with another) with langauge a kintergardner could understand, and one still could not grasp the information. Thanks kindly for explaining it once AGAIN, and I hope this time that we see no more of this stupid crap popping up.

To Cam;

Cam, you got you chops busted for recommending one type of speakers as a MUST for ALL hometheater. That is bad advice. I think it is pretty clear by the thread you were not picked on for no reason.

Lexmark3200/To live and die,

You will never be able to stop me, or anyone else from chiding you for asking the same question over and over. It is a waste of bandwith for you to do so, and it serves no purpose for the board as a whole. Please save or write down the answer that you have received from Kel and do not ask it again. This is how NORMAL people learn.

Lexmark3200
03-15-2004, 10:12 AM
Kel,
I am always amazed at your patience and kindness in the face of stupidity and billigerance. It stuns me that I can take the time to explain this process to the same person THREE times(with one screen name, and two with another) with langauge a kintergardner could understand, and one still could not grasp the information. Thanks kindly for explaining it once AGAIN, and I hope this time that we see no more of this stupid crap popping up.

To Cam;

Cam, you got you chops busted for recommending one type of speakers as a MUST for ALL hometheater. That is bad advice. I think it is pretty clear by the thread you were not picked on for no reason.

Lexmark3200/To live and die,

You will never be able to stop me, or anyone else from chiding you for asking the same question over and over. It is a waste of bandwith for you to do so, and it serves no purpose for the board as a whole. Please save or write down the answer that you have received from Kel and do not ask it again. This is how NORMAL people learn.

Well, lets just begin with "SO A KINDERGARTENER can learn"-----IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM DID YOU EVER------AND I MEAN EVER, TERRENCE-----explain ANYTHING in such a clear, distinct, entry-level format by which a youngster can understand and FULLY comprehend you-----BY NO MATTER WHATSOEVER. There are friends of mine reading these posts and they are CONFIRMING that you are making the explanation of what happens between 5.1 speaker arrays and 6.1 sources EXTREMELY difficult to understand....and I do mean difficult. You are SERIOUSLY mistaken if you think you are explaining this situation in a simple fashion.

And YOU will NEVER be able to stop ME from continuing to claim that I do NOT know who you are talking about with regard to different screen names and the like, nor stop me from trying to let everyone on here know that you are doing nothing but trying to put down those who may not "know" as much as you technically and that you constantly and purposely put things in a manner by which folks cannot understand you and then you criticize them for not understanding and start all this nonsense above; but try as you will. I will CONTINUE until the day I die trying to get a concise, SIMPLE answer to what is happening on a 5.1 system when a 6.1 DVD is played back by either someone on here or elsewhere.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-15-2004, 10:32 AM
Well, lets just begin with "SO A KINDERGARTENER can learn"-----IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM DID YOU EVER------AND I MEAN EVER, TERRENCE-----explain ANYTHING in such a clear, distinct, entry-level format by which a youngster can understand and FULLY comprehend you-----BY NO MATTER WHATSOEVER. There are friends of mine reading these posts and they are CONFIRMING that you are making the explanation of what happens between 5.1 speaker arrays and 6.1 sources EXTREMELY difficult to understand....and I do mean difficult. You are SERIOUSLY mistaken if you think you are explaining this situation in a simple fashion.

If you found my explaination difficult, then you have a brain the size of a tsi si fly. There is nothing difficult about my explaination. Everyone else seemed to get it except you. Why is that? I know, because you didn't want to get it so you could ask the question a dozen more times. I guess your friends have found solace in the fact that they have as much a disfunction in comprehension as you do. Birds of a feather DO flock together.


And YOU will NEVER be able to stop ME from continuing to claim that I do NOT know who you are talking about with regard to different screen names and the like, nor stop me from trying to let everyone on here know that you are doing nothing but trying to put down those who may not "know" as much as you technically and that you constantly and purposely put things in a manner by which folks cannot understand you and then you criticize them for not understanding and start all this nonsense above; but try as you will. I will CONTINUE until the day I die trying to get a concise, SIMPLE answer to what is happening on a 5.1 system when a 6.1 DVD is played back by either someone on here or elsewhere.

Kel just gave you one. Now can you die now please? To live and die asked the SAME question, you're him just admit it

Lexmark3200
03-15-2004, 10:44 AM
If you found my explaination difficult, then you have a brain the size of a tsi si fly. There is nothing difficult about my explaination. Everyone else seemed to get it except you. Why is that? I know, because you didn't want to get it so you could ask the question a dozen more times. I guess your friends have found solace in the fact that they have as much a disfunction in comprehension as you do. Birds of a feather DO flock together.



Kel just gave you one. Now can you die now please? To live and die asked the SAME question, you're him just admit it


OH SO NOW YOU WISH DEATH ON PEOPLE, HUH? Nice to know....BELIEVE ME, nice to know. You inconsiderate, coldhearted prick. Nothing would please me more than to have you cross over that line and threaten my death....because then it becomes criminal and illegal.

I KNOW NO TO LIVE AND DIE and I do not know who you are talking about------maybe someone DID ask the same question----THIS IS A HOME THEATER BOARD, Terry Cloth----did it EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT A SIMILAR SUBJECT? AND YOU SAY I HAVE A SMALL BRAIN STRUCTURE??????? OH MAN YOU ARE FUNNY----you are the most idiotic, self-centered egotistical windbag I have ever come across in my travels, and I do suppose *******S flock together, too, as you and your flaming buddies on here prove time and again. I have a small brain when ACCORDING TO YOU, two people CANNOT ASK SIMILAR OR EVEN IDENTICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT A SUBJECT EVEN BY CHANCE? AND I HAVE THE SMALL BRAIN???? ****in Terrence man....you make me laugh. I would LOVE to meet you in person dude and tell you what I REALLY think about what you do to people in this forum. Give you a piece of my mind, finally. You little ****in punk.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-15-2004, 11:50 AM
OH SO NOW YOU WISH DEATH ON PEOPLE, HUH? Nice to know....BELIEVE ME, nice to know. You inconsiderate, coldhearted prick. Nothing would please me more than to have you cross over that line and threaten my death....because then it becomes criminal and illegal.

I didn't wish anything on you, I asked you nicely hoping you would do it yourself. The name calling is really nice, but I would NEVER threaten you. It would be a complete waste of words because you will just change your name and emerge as somebody else. You are really good at that, and denial(its not just a river Live and die/Lexmark/?/?/?


I KNOW NO TO LIVE AND DIE, and I do not know who you are talking about

Let me introduce you to him. Go to the mirror and point your finger. There, you have just met and can no longer say you don't know him.


maybe someone DID ask the same question----THIS IS A HOME THEATER BOARD, Terry Cloth----did it EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT A SIMILAR SUBJECT?

They can and do. But they do not usually do it using the same words, same sentence structure, and in exactly the same fashion. The only way that can happen is if the two people are twins(as in my case) are just one person, like in your case.




AND YOU SAY I HAVE A SMALL BRAIN STRUCTURE??????? OH MAN YOU ARE FUNNY----you are the most idiotic, self-centered egotistical windbag I have ever come across in my travels, and I do suppose *******S flock together, too, as you and your flaming buddies on here prove time and again.

Oooooo anger, and personal fouls. That's a fifteen yard penalty for you Live and Die. Now cool down fella, or you'll blow a gasket.


I have a small brain when ACCORDING TO YOU, two people CANNOT ASK SIMILAR OR EVEN IDENTICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT A SUBJECT EVEN BY CHANCE? AND I HAVE THE SMALL BRAIN???? ****in Terrence man....you make me laugh. I would LOVE to meet you in person dude and tell you what I REALLY think about what you do to people in this forum. Give you a piece of my mind, finally. You little ****in punk.

Wooooo, anger and vulgarities. Lack of comprehension, threatening words, poor communication skills and a limited vocabulary. Symptoms of a very poor education, and lack of self control. Bad form man, VERY bad form. Please DO NOT give me a piece of your mind, it looks to me like you need to keep every bit that you have. What exactly do I do to people in this forum. Terrorized them? Curse them out(much like you do)? What do I do, and why don't others share your.... uhum.. perspective?

Lexmark3200
03-15-2004, 04:07 PM
I didn't wish anything on you, I asked you nicely hoping you would do it yourself. The name calling is really nice, but I would NEVER threaten you. It would be a complete waste of words because you will just change your name and emerge as somebody else. You are really good at that, and denial(its not just a river Live and die/Lexmark/?/?/?



Let me introduce you to him. Go to the mirror and point your finger. There, you have just met and can no longer say you don't know him.



They can and do. But they do not usually do it using the same words, same sentence structure, and in exactly the same fashion. The only way that can happen is if the two people are twins(as in my case) are just one person, like in your case.





Oooooo anger, and personal fouls. That's a fifteen yard penalty for you Live and Die. Now cool down fella, or you'll blow a gasket.



Wooooo, anger and vulgarities. Lack of comprehension, threatening words, poor communication skills and a limited vocabulary. Symptoms of a very poor education, and lack of self control. Bad form man, VERY bad form. Please DO NOT give me a piece of your mind, it looks to me like you need to keep every bit that you have. What exactly do I do to people in this forum. Terrorized them? Curse them out(much like you do)? What do I do, and why don't others share your.... uhum.. perspective?

I STILL do not know who you are talking about you egotistical, maniacal windbag....EVERYONE on here knows you are EXACTLY this, picking on people with -- GULP ARE YOU READY FOR THIS TERRY---- less technical know-how than you; other people have IMed me and private messaged me and asked me what your problem was----that you think you know it all and use that against everyone you come in contact with here.....good. GREAT personality trait-----YOU SHOULD LOOK AT YOUR NAME YOU CHOSE A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY.....Terrence the TERRIBLE....EXACTLY true. Exactly true. Exactly.

Sir Terrence the Terrible
03-15-2004, 05:01 PM
I STILL do not know who you are talking about you egotistical, maniacal windbag....EVERYONE on here knows you are EXACTLY this, picking on people with -- GULP ARE YOU READY FOR THIS TERRY---- less technical know-how than you; other people have IMed me and private messaged me and asked me what your problem was----that you think you know it all and use that against everyone you come in contact with here.....good. GREAT personality trait-----YOU SHOULD LOOK AT YOUR NAME YOU CHOSE A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY.....Terrence the TERRIBLE....EXACTLY true. Exactly true. Exactly.

I am Terrible huh. THANKS, Doc Greene you are genius for thinking up this name for me. Since I do not believe that you are not To live and die(To live and die) I also do not believe your statement about people IM you. To live and Die, you are transparent. A number of posters already know you are To live and die and have commented PUBLICLY(rather than IM were one could have easily lied about) about it. I would rather be Terrible and know it, than Lexmark/To live and Die and lie about it. We call this in cyberspace a FAKE, IMPOSTER, TROLL etc.

So you have looked at every post I have made for the last..what... 6 years that I have been posting here and can back up this comment;

that you think you know it all and use that against everyone you come in contact with here

Aren't you exaggerating just a bit here. You have read EVERYONE of my post? If not then you lose more credibility for you reliance on inflammitory and inaccurate statements. I think I have used my knowledge to help many people, not use it againist them. As Aunt Esther from Sanford and Son would say "Stop yer lyin you crazy foo". Your nose continues to grow and grow. Pretty soon someone here in the bay area is going to mistake it for the new span of the bay bridge they are working on now. Now to live and die, are you going to fess up, or continue this foolish charade?

Tarheel_
03-16-2004, 07:11 AM
man, this guy is too funny...i seem to recall he was pulling the same punches over at carreview.com
Lexmark,TLADINY,John Bereford, what's next? Get a life dude, please! Or at least an online girlfriend to snuggle with. Peace.

Chris
03-16-2004, 09:46 AM
There's no need for this - take the bickering and name calling somewhere else. Don't waste space with it here.