Sylvania Bluray Player $279 @ Sears.

[Smokey]

Looks like bottom feeder blu players fixing to hit the market starting with Sylvania. It is on sale this week for $279 and I bet by christmas it be below $250.

A very basic player:

DVD Capacity: 1-disc
Player Type: Single-Tray Player
Item Weight: 9.10 lbs.
Surround Sound:
Dolby® Digital: Yes
Jacks, IN-OUT:
Component Video Output(s): Yes
Digital Audio Output: Yes
Digital Audio Output Type: Coaxial
HDMI Outputs, Number: 1
HDMI Outputs: Yes
Audio System:
Built-In Dolby Digital Decoder: Yes
Built-In DTS Decoder: Yes
Other Audio Enhancements:
Dolby® Digital Ready: Yes
Audio System:
Multiformat Playback: Yes
DVD Configuration:
CD Playback: Yes
CD-RW Playback: Yes
CD-R Playback: Yes


http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-5136729w345.jpg

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05757758000P

[blackraven]

This will be just the beginning of Blu Ray for everyone as cheaper players come to market, just as DVD did.

[pixelthis]

Thats not much cheaper than my Sony, really(299$)
A few years after VHS won that paticular format war they came out
with a suite of improvements (notch filter, etc) that they left off of the first players so that they could sell more players when they introduced
them, eventually they were completely integrated into the format.
Blu ray will have the same status, eventually supplanting DVD as a new and improved version of DVD.
Players will be similar, cost similar, etc.:1:

[Smokey]

Where is Apex when you need'm most :D

I really think once the Chinese manufactures get involve in blu ray business, price wise the bottom is going to fall out of bluray players.

[pixelthis]

MAGNAVOX at sams, 249$
probably a clone of that sylvania (or the other way around)
Probably all put out by Matshuhita of somesuch.
I said that the bottom of the price would fall out before the end of the year, sir talky said no, wrong as usual.
SIR TALKY said that manufacturers "wouldnt allow it", when are such types going to figure out that the free market doesnt give a rats butt
what the manufacturers want, once supply exceeds demand,
well, here comes apex.:1:

[GMichael]

Anyone know if they'll ever have BR recorders?

[Feanor]

Anyone know if they'll ever have BR recorders?

Apparently they exist already ...
http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/

Certainly computer Blu-ray rewriter drives exist.

Looks to me like for Blu-ray playback a multimedia computer with Blu-ray ROM (http://www.shopbot.ca/p-90266.html) or rewiter (http://computers.pricegrabber.com/dvd-rom-dvd-writers/m/52468249/) drive and HDMI output is the flexible way to go. These are becoming pretty mainstream, I think.

[GMichael]

Apparently they exist already ...
http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/

Cool, thanks. But are these available to average Joe yet? The prices must be up there at this point.
Glad to see prices on players coming down though. When they hit the sub $100 I may pick one up for the bedroom.

[pixelthis]

Apparently they exist already ...
http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/

Certainly computer Blu-ray rewriter drives exist.

Looks to me like for Blu-ray playback a multimedia computer with Blu-ray ROM (http://www.shopbot.ca/p-90266.html) or rewiter (http://computers.pricegrabber.com/dvd-rom-dvd-writers/m/52468249/) drive and HDMI output is the flexible way to go. These are becoming pretty mainstream, I think.

These are all prototypes coming out soon.
BUT for a measley 775 $ you can get a Blu cdrom for your computer.
Beter yet a blu player for the computer is 149 bucks.
That oughta draw the X-box add on market.
C'mon GM, I KNOW you have the scratch.:1:

[pixelthis]

Just think, a 114$ gets you a LITE- ON BLU disc player for your computer.
I have had a lite -on drive for my computer(must be working because the lites on and they work, mostly.
The foundation of sub 200 buck players also.
Sir TALKY and his Blu ray posse must be shaking in their boots
(or in sir talkys case, booties):1:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=Blu-ray&searchbtn.x=24&searchbtn.y=11

[mbbuchanan]

I bet on Black Friday you will get a BLU- player for $150or less, and then I will finally move into the 21st century....Whoo-hoo!!!!!!!

[Feanor]

Just think, a 114$ gets you a LITE- ON BLU disc player for your computer.
I have had a lite -on drive for my computer(must be working because the lites on and they work, mostly.
The foundation of sub 200 buck players also.
Sir TALKY and his Blu ray posse must be shaking in their boots
(or in sir talkys case, booties):1:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=Blu-ray&searchbtn.x=24&searchbtn.y=11

You'll need a Mobo or add-on sound card that can pass the six digital channels to an HDMI output, otherwise you'r looking at NTSC on TV and listening to analog.

[pixelthis]

You'll need a Mobo or add-on sound card that can pass the six digital channels to an HDMI output, otherwise you'r looking at NTSC on TV and listening to analog.

Not to mention a "hot" video card.
My 256 mb ati barely cuts HD, and the dvi>hdmi adapter wont work:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

That's because it's... ATI!

[Woochifer]

This is actually a rebadged Funai player. Funai is a Japanese company, and was one of the early Blu-ray licensees. They've been on board for quite a while, and I don't see the $279 price point holding up too long, since the Funai list prices were always quoted $100 lower than whatever Sony, Samsung, et al were charging.

Because of how the Blu-ray group has restricted the licenses, you won't see any true bottomfeeders like Apex and Cyberhome. The DVD Forum licensed anybody and everybody, and that opened the flood gates to all the cheaply made crap that poured in from fly-by-night Chinese manufacturers (who were the actual manufacturers of those infamous Apex DVD players).

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Where is Apex when you need'm most :D

I really think once the Chinese manufactures get involve in blu ray business, price wise the bottom is going to fall out of bluray players.

Don't hold your breath on this one Smoke. The members of the BDA saw what the Chinese did to the DVD format, so they are keeping them at bay right now. The Chinese do not like to pay for liscensing of technology, so with DVD they generally didn't, and it gave them an advantage that forced the big guys out of that market(or at least from making a profit). At the last BDA meeting I attended, they were going to allow chinese manufacturers to make the players, but they were not about to allow them to liscense the technology because they know it will blow a hole in the floor if they do.

Pixie, the STUDIO I work for does not make bluray players, drives, or recorders. So our boots are just fine thanks. What makes our boots shake is when idiots like you make stupid comments like this

I said that the bottom of the price would fall out before the end of the year, sir talky said no, wrong as usual.
SIR TALKY said that manufacturers "wouldnt allow it", when are such types going to figure out that the free market doesnt give a rats butt
what the manufacturers want, once supply exceeds demand,

I said no such thing. What I did say is that your majors are not going to be trimming prices any time soon, and I am right about that. Everyone knew last year that Funai was going to get into the game, I said so right here on this website. I knew back then there were going to be cheaper players coming, they just weren't coming from Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, Denon, Marantz or any other major brand name. So next time you quote me(or better yet don't) git your story straight(which may be impossible for someone who pisses out of his ears). Oh and by the way, supply has not even come close to the demand. The majors are still having trouble keeping up with the demand, which is why their prices have remained higher.

And if you think for a second you can take that lite-on bluray drive and just plug and play, you have lost the last half a brain cell you had. You need a HD video card, a six channel audio card, quite a bit of ram, a HDMI hookup, and HDCP compliant software. That adds considerably to the cost of getting bluray drive on a computer.

Your desire to gloss over details and to oversimplify shows a profound lack of critical, or even minimal thinking.

[RoadRunner6]

I was at Costco today buying my new 50" Plasma and saw a Panasonic Blu-Ray player on special for $299 (model DMP-BD30K). A Samdung was on special for $279.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I was at Costco today buying my new 50" Plasma and saw a Panasonic Blu-Ray player on special for $299 (model DMP-BD30K). A Samdung was on special for $279.

That is Panasonics older model that retailed for $599 when it debut, they are coming out with newer ones like the BD-50 that is a full profiled player (2.0), so this is a close out price, not its original price.

The $279 dollar samdung is the 1400, which is a profile 1.1 player which has been superceded by the 1500, and the 2500.

What you are seeing are close out prices to make way for new products, not the original prices when the players hit the streets.

[jvc]

Three of the five blu ray players listed here, are under $300............
http://www.walmart.com/browse/DVD-Players-Recorders/All-DVD-Players/_/N-2s3zZaq90Z1yzp74gZaqce/Ne-aqge?ic=48_0&ref=125875.129743+500846.4292594512&tab_value=210003_All&tab_value=210003_All&fromPageCatId=62055&catNavId=62055

[Smokey]

The Chinese do not like to pay for liscensing of technology, so with DVD they generally didn't, and it gave them an advantage that forced the big guys out of that market(or at least from making a profit). At the last BDA meeting I attended, they were going to allow chinese manufacturers to make the players, but they were not about to allow them to liscense the technology because they know it will blow a hole in the floor if they do.



So what you re saying is that we will not see same scenario of price nose dive that happened with DVD players. And it beg the question as what criteria is dictating price of blu players....market, demand or profit?

[blackraven]

I could have added a Blu-Ray Burner to my custom laptop for $400. They were all sold out and I will be purchasing one in the near future. I was told I could send the computer in and they would swap the DVD out, or they could send me the burner and they could walk me through the installation process. I've got 4gigs ram and a 9800GT video card with 1600x1050 screen res..

[Feanor]

Looks like bottom feeder blu players fixing to hit the market starting with Sylvania. It is on sale this week for $279 and I bet by christmas it be below $250.

...

$249.99 Blu-Ray have arrrived, that is, at BestBuy.ca ...

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10100059&catid=25174&logon=&langid=EN

Insignia?? Oh, well you've got a choice of Sharp or Samsung at $299.99

Doubtless BB-USA will equal this.

[Smokey]

$249.99 Blu-Ray have arrrived, that is, at BestBuy.ca ...

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10100059&catid=25174&logon=&langid=EN

Doubtless BB-USA will equal this.

Here is the USA, major tech blogs have predicted $150 Blu ray players on Black Friday (day after Thankgiving). And not to be left out, grocery store namebrand product Memorex has announced a Bluray player MVBD-2510 in November below $250 range.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

So what you re saying is that we will not see same scenario of price nose dive that happened with DVD players. And it beg the question as what criteria is dictating price of blu players....market, demand or profit?

The answer to your question is all three. While you will see price drops for the christmas season( just like last years), once again, after the holiday season the prices will remain at where they were before the holidays. The sales volume would have to dramatically increase for at least the majors to see the manufacturing efficiences that produces permanent lower prices. As good as Bluray has been doing, we are not quite there yet.

Consider this; when the chinese came onto the scene with their "unliscensed" players, it killed the market almost entirely as a profit making venture. Instead of having a tiered system that contained something for everyone, we had a system where the life was sucked out of the mid and upper end players, in favor of the lower end players. The DVD forum essentially killed themselves and any chance of its members making any money from DVD players. While the studios were thrilled(they sold more disc) the manufacturers were far less than happy. Since many of the members who are on the DVD forum are also members of the BDA(almost all of the manufacturers are except Toshiba), they are unwilling to let a flood of cheap chinese players decimate the market so early in its life, and while everyone is making money. This time there will be a market where there is something for everyone, whether its a cheaper funai marketed players, or mid level Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp etc., or high end Goldund(rediculously priced though), Pioneer or Cambridge Audio. They want to see this tiered system exist for quite a while.

The bottom feeders will have to wait just a little while longer(this is not a negative dig in this case)

[Smokey]

Thanks Sir TT for info. If the price of low end players from posted links is an indication, the line seem to be holding around $250 range.

[pixelthis]

The answer to your question is all three. While you will see price drops for the christmas season( just like last years), once again, after the holiday season the prices will remain at where they were before the holidays. The sales volume would have to dramatically increase for at least the majors to see the manufacturing efficiences that produces permanent lower prices. As good as Bluray has been doing, we are not quite there yet.

Consider this; when the chinese came onto the scene with their "unliscensed" players, it killed the market almost entirely as a profit making venture. Instead of having a tiered system that contained something for everyone, we had a system where the life was sucked out of the mid and upper end players, in favor of the lower end players. The DVD forum essentially killed themselves and any chance of its members making any money from DVD players. While the studios were thrilled(they sold more disc) the manufacturers were far less than happy. Since many of the members who are on the DVD forum are also members of the BDA(almost all of the manufacturers are except Toshiba), they are unwilling to let a flood of cheap chinese players decimate the market so early in its life, and while everyone is making money. This time there will be a market where there is something for everyone, whether its a cheaper funai marketed players, or mid level Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp etc., or high end Goldund(rediculously priced though), Pioneer or Cambridge Audio. They want to see this tiered system exist for quite a while.

The bottom feeders will have to wait just a little while longer(this is not a negative dig in this case)


You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?
HOW are they gonna STOP EM?
How one such as yourself, who understands nothing about the way markets work can get a job at Micky D's, MUCH LESS A
major company, is a mystery to me.
The "bottom feeders" will have to wait?
yEAH, AND the price is under 250 already.
Yeah, the iceberg just scratched the hull, roll over and go back to sleep,
nothing to see here!
What a maroon.:1:

[pixelthis]

That's because it's... ATI!

You're right.
Probably uses a bunch of Texas Instruments chips.
BTW, did'ja know that DLP is dead
bEST thing to ever come outta Texas.....:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

No idiot, it uses a bunch of AMD chips.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?
HOW are they gonna STOP EM?

If you don't know this by now stupid, explaining it to you again is not going to help. I have already told your air headed azz that they are not going to give them a lisense to produce a player. Without the liscense, you cannot get parts. Without parts, there is no player. If they manage to get the parts, then whomever provided the parts to an unliscensed manufacturer will lose their liscense, and thus quite a bit of business.


How one such as yourself, who understands nothing about the way markets work can get a job at Micky D's, MUCH LESS A
major company, is a mystery to me.

Maybe because I understand the market far better than you do. Everything is a mystery to you, and if you spent more time reading and using technology rather than dumpster diving for it, it all wouldn't be so mysterious to you.


The "bottom feeders" will have to wait?
yEAH, AND the price is under 250 already.
Yeah, the iceberg just scratched the hull, roll over and go back to sleep,
nothing to see here!
What a maroon.:1:

Always trying to hide the fact that you are as ignorant as hell when it comes to these issues. The folks that are claiming prices are too high want bluray players to be $150 or less. That is who I am referring to. The cheap folks, much like yourself penny pinchin pixel!

[Woochifer]

Fry's Electronics is now advertising a Samsung Blu-ray player for $249 and a Sony player for $299, so I doubt that the Funai/Sylvania unit's $279 price will hold up as an actual street price.

We are now just over two years removed from Blu-ray's initial introduction, and it appears that the price declines have gone slightly faster than with the DVD (I recall that prevailing prices for DVD players in late-1999 were still above $300). Part of this though is the subsidized price on the PS3 that pushed the price points down from the outset. With limited bottomfeeder options though, the rate of decline from here on out might not be nearly as steep as when the bottom fell out of the DVD market after Apex et al entered the market.

[bobsticks]

Melvin got a hottie...

[bobsticks]

You still don't GET IT.
So they are "unwilling" to have a bunch of cheap players "decimate"
the market?...

Your usage of the word "decimate" with quotations makes me think you were attempting a bit of clever repartee. You do realize that it's one word with multiple meanings, right?

[Feanor]

Your usage of the word "decimate" with quotations makes me think you were attempting a bit of clever repartee. You do realize that it's one word with multiple meanings, right?

You are becoming very obscure of late. Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences.

Pix' use of quote marks around "decimate" was merely quotation from Sir T, not (necessarily) an attempt at repartee.

[Rich-n-Texas]

You are becoming very obscure of late.Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences.
And that brings us to this...

Insignia?? Oh, well you've got a choice of Sharp or Samsung (http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?p=256006#) at $299.99

Doubtless BB-USA will equal this.
I suspect what you're trying to say here is something along the lines of this...

Doubtlessly, BB-USA will equal this, which I agree with 100%

Pix' use of quote marks around "decimate" was merely quotation from Sir T, not (necessarily) an attempt at repartee.
Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.

[pixelthis]

And that brings us to this...

I suspect what you're trying to say here is something along the lines of this...


Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.


You just like it when he says it because you think its something dirty.:1:

[pixelthis]

If you don't know this by now stupid, explaining it to you again is not going to help. I have already told your air headed azz that they are not going to give them a lisense to produce a player. Without the liscense, you cannot get parts. Without parts, there is no player. If they manage to get the parts, then whomever provided the parts to an unliscensed manufacturer will lose their liscense, and thus quite a bit of business.



Maybe because I understand the market far better than you do. Everything is a mystery to you, and if you spent more time reading and using technology rather than dumpster diving for it, it all wouldn't be so mysterious to you.



Always trying to hide the fact that you are as ignorant as hell when it comes to these issues. The folks that are claiming prices are too high want bluray players to be $150 or less. That is who I am referring to. The cheap folks, much like yourself penny pinchin pixel!


There is a difference between being "cheap" and being value concious.
Although in your case any kind of "concious would be an improvement.
You can backengineer anything and dont have to worry about
"parts".
And you can put plenty of product on the shelves, but if people think the price is too high or that it will get cheaper they will wait.
You see, they can wait, because Blu is a disposable income item,
not something that is indespensible.
But the guys selling Blu? Well, they had better be moving players!
The advantage is on the side of the buyer, always has been and always will be.
150 BUCKS EH? That isn't even too far from 250$.
Be there by next year, if not sooner(allowing for inflation of course):1:

[Ratboy]

FWIW, I play and sell Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung and Sylvania(Funai) Blu-ray players. Over the past two years, the only player to quit working outright in less than three months of steady use is the Funai.

I can only imagine the build quality of a Magnavox(Philips)... 8^Þ

Short story - you get what you pay for...

[bobsticks]

You just like it when he says it because you think its something dirty.:1:

Well, he'd have a fair amount of precedence from which to draw. :biggrin5:

[bobsticks]

Thank you for that Linguistics lesson Professor Syllable. Just the same, I like it when sticks says repartee, it sounds better than when a Canadian says it.

I appreciate the shout-out but when Feanor said, "You are becoming very obscure of late. Humour us simple folk with simple, syntactically conventional, and preferably monosyllabic sentences." there was a certain irony don'tcha think? I'm fairly certain it was intentional.

And, um,...not to get too William Safire on y'alls but I'm pretty sure that "Doubtless BB-USA will equal this." is correct, albeit awkward. It's an implied subject, as in "[It is] Doubtless [that] BB-USA will equal this.". Your way ascribes qualities to all the workers of Best Buy USA, specifically "doubtlessness", which for those of that have experienced the confusion and chaos of a busy evening BB is fairly unconvincing.

In any case, the whole interchange arose from my comments on the word "decimate" which I had suspected was used incorrectly in STtT's first post. I thought maybe T had enjoyed a shot too many of Patron and meant "disseminate" or some such term. I looked it up. I was wrong...so maybe I'd enjoyed one too many. In the end I learned something, so thanks Terrence.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I would've said... "It's doubtful that BB-USA will equal this"... That to me is normal. I said doubtlessly as a means of taking what looked like a shot at US retailers and throwing it back at Feanor, who obviously is jealous of Americans. It might be that some may not have looked deep enough into my message. Whatever. The spontaneity in my post is gone now anyway.

[bobsticks]

Rawk on, bruh, rawk on...

[pixelthis]

FWIW, I play and sell Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung and Sylvania(Funai) Blu-ray players. Over the past two years, the only player to quit working outright in less than three months of steady use is the Funai.

I can only imagine the build quality of a Magnavox(Philips)... 8^Þ

Short story - you get what you pay for...
Phillips has historically had good build quality.
I ALMOST bought a Phillips, would have if the price had not been a 100 bucks more than the VIZIO I did buy.
Not surprizing about the funai.:1: