Orientation of four in-ceiling (I know, I know) surround speakers in a 7.1 setup...

[pdawg17]

First thing I'm going to say is I'm very excited yet very depressed at the same time...we are moving into a brand-spankin-new house in 7 months (yay!) but because of the wife factor, the surrounds have to be in-ceiling :(...she would go for in-walls but there is nowhere to put them (two large windows behind seating area - which sucks the big one as well)...see doesn't even want my beautiful Hsu sub sitting out :(

So I know I should try to get ones where I can angle the tweeter a bit but my question is:

How far apart should the side speakers and also the rear speakers be? I would think the sides should be the same distance apart as the fronts and the rears should be closer together...is this logical? If my sides are 8 feet apart what should the rears be? And should I even bother with 7.1 considering I have to use in-ceiling?

[pixelthis]

I never saw much use for anything more than 5.1 myself, when I had
a 6.1 system (two rear center speakers) It hardly made a difference.
How far apart those rears are isnt that important, but try to get them as far apart as those fronts.
And grow a little backbone, okay?
When did the women take over in this country, anyway?
This is why DLP is doomed, and flat screens are taking over the world,
because of the WAF(wife acceptance factor).
I would hate to see this country invaded, WE CAN'T EVEN STAND UP TO OUR WIVES.
If any woman of mine said that its the sub or me, I WOULD TELL HER THAT I AM GOING TO MISS HER, and dont forget the dog, cat, kids,
and her deadbeat brother on her way out.
You are compromising on the inwalls, let her compromise on the sub,
let her put a lace dolly on it or something.:1:

[pixelthis]

to previous..pixelthis...this is why you live in a forum, seriously, you would pick your sub over family????

The biggest thing is you do not want your in-ceiling speakers too close to the corner, typically, the speakers should be placed about 1/3rd of the distance from the corner of the room to the center of the wall. If possible, avoid locating the speakers less than two feet away from the corners of the room.
And, you may ask your wife to reconsider as a woman who is extremely home interior aware, there is no substitute in a home theater for a powered sub - if you are going to spend all this money on a flat screen, receiver, speakers, and then compromise on the one thing that truly brings a movie alive?...just not practical.
good luck


What "family"?
MOST so called "men" today are so scared of their wives, usually of being "cut off" from the goodies.
They havent figured out that half the planets population has these "goodies".
Older men have to have a place (usually a workshop) to get away from the women, tell lies and smoke cigarettes.
My buddy picked a HT instead of a workshop, because, according to him, "its kinda hard to watch terminator movies and porno" on
a table saw.
Younger men still havent figured out that women are full of it.
Another friend of mine was scared of his wife for years, until he figured out that nobody else would want her fat ass.
Its all about intimidation, and women are master intimidators.
A 'marriage" is composed of two people, and involves compromise.
SHE GETS THE "INWALL" monstrosities, he gets a HSU sub, not, she gets everything and he gets a little every once in awhile, which hes entittled to ANYWAY
As for "no replacement for a powered sub" dont waste your time, women dont care, the dont like it "loud", dont care about HT, especially
expensive HT, since that money they could be using to buy another
couple of hundred pairs of identical black slingbacks(shoes), which is
way more important, since its for HER.
Try setting up a couple of dozen systems for friends, women can think of a zillion things that would be more important, all things they
want.
There are two types of human society, one is matriacly, where women
run things, another is patriacy, where women let the men pretend they run things:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

This thread has the potential to be a BLOCKBUSTER!!!

[markw]

This thread has the potential to be a BLOCKBUSTER!!!His wonderful, loving and respectful relationship with those around him simply flows from his positive, uplifting, cheerful, posts here.

Actually, it seems to me that the only time he has to worry about "being cut off from the goodies" is when his hand cramps up.

[GMichael]

His wonderful, loving and respectful relationship with those around him simply flows from his positive, uplifting, cheerful, posts here.

Actually, it seems to me that the only time he has to worry about "being cut off from the goodies" is when his hand cramps up.


Badumpbump!

[Worf101]

I can't resist.

1. Pix ain't all wrong. Unless she's making ALL the money, paying for the new house, is a super model/ex - porn star AND is a Cage Fighting champeen, she must compromise.

2. As for the goodies, embargo's only work if there is NO OTHER SOURCE FOR SAID GOOD COMMODITY OR SERVICE!. As my ole daddy used to say "it's a poor rabbit only got one hole to run to." Any woman, even my ole lady, tells me no long enough I say fine. "One monkey don't stop no show."

3. I fully believe in treating women as "equals" BUT that doesn't equate to me being treated like a slave or a doormat. Simple.

4. My ole lady hated the Ohm Walsh F's (pyramids belong in egypt, NOT the living room), fine, I found a moder slim line (Platinum Audio Studio 3's) that she AND I could live with. But THAT is as far as it went.

Do not confuse compromise with surrender. Everyone has a line, he just ain't found his yet.

Da Worfster

[GMichael]

Mr Dawg's line may just be somewhere else. Maybe he has insisted on a $25,000 motorcycle and is willing to bend on his HT system a little. It's his call to make.

One of the reasons that I have been able to get most anything HT wise we can afford, is because I sold my Harley to afford quartz countertops in her kitchen.
We don't know what he's giving and taking in his deals.

[E-Stat]

I ditto TriMe's excellent guidelines. In ceiling surrounds should work fine if you are careful about placement. Perhaps there is a way the sub could be incorporated in a visually appealing manner. Wifey and I were watching a home improvement "shootout" the other night between two designers tasked improve the looks and functionality of a family's arrangement. One eyesore was a big dog kennel that resided in the family room. Vern Yip found a way to hide it under a skirted table. Perhaps a similar method can be found to camouflage the sub.

I think MarkW pretty much summed up the rest. :)

rw

[pixelthis]

I ditto TriMe's excellent guidelines. In ceiling surrounds should work fine if you are careful about placement. Perhaps there is a way the sub could be incorporated in a visually appealing manner. Wifey and I were watching a home improvement "shootout" the other night between two designers tasked improve the looks and functionality of a family's arrangement. One eyesore was a big dog kennel that resided in the family room. Vern Yip found a way to hide it under a skirted table. Perhaps a similar method can be found to camouflage the sub.

I think MarkW pretty much summed up the rest. :)

rw
"mark w" has trouble summing 2+2.
FOR THIS MISANTHROPE to comment on anybodys personality
is a pot calling the kettle black, to be sure.:1:

[markw]

"mark w" has trouble summing 2+2.
FOR THIS MISANTHROPE to comment on anybodys personality
is a pot calling the kettle black, to be sure.:1:While you're throwing out the two-bit words, try "Misogynist" on for size. I'm sure it comes in your size. :)

[Rich-n-Texas]

Quite colorful I must say, Mark. :lol:

BTW, how much does one of them things cost?

[pixelthis]

While you're throwing out the two-bit words, try "Misogynist" on for size. I'm sure it comes in your size. :)

I dont hate women, I just understand them.
Mark after his "special trip" to NORWAY...:1:

[markw]

You're just angry because you came back looking like this,

[Worf101]

You're just angry because you came back looking like this,

Dammit...

CHIT..........

Can no longer seee....

Temporarily blind.............

Romulan Death Pig has seared my optic nerves with her hideousness.

Da Worfster...

PS, wonder how that betraying pig is making a living these days?

[markw]

PS, wonder how that betraying pig is making a living these days?

"Since the Lewinsky scandal Tripp has moved to Northern Virginia, had extensive plastic surgery, married German architect Dieter Rausch in 2004 and opened with her new husband a year-round Christmas shop, called the Christmas Sleigh, in Middleburg, Virginia."

Also, she fied a couple of lawsuits and won a bunch of money. It's too bad she couldn't sue someone to clear her public reputation. IMNSHO, she rates right up there with Judas Iscariot as far as betraying a trust goes, not that Monica is akin Jesus or anything.

Da full skivvy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Tripp

[pixelthis]

"Since the Lewinsky scandal Tripp has moved to Northern Virginia, had extensive plastic surgery, married German architect Dieter Rausch in 2004 and opened with her new husband a year-round Christmas shop, called the Christmas Sleigh, in Middleburg, Virginia."

Also, she fied a couple of lawsuits and won a bunch of money. It's too bad she couldn't sue someone to clear her public reputation. IMNSHO, she rates right up there with Judas Iscariot as far as betraying a trust goes, not that Monica is akin Jesus or anything.

Da full skivvy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Tripp

Speaking of "looking bad" saw your wife the other day, you need to take better care of her:1:

[GMichael]

WTF!?

Mark!? Did you re-marry?

[markw]

WTF!?

Mark!? Did you re-marry?Nah, I'm still hapilly married to that beautiful Brazilian lady you and your lovely wife met.

But, I'm afraid that my playing with pixie here is pretty much over.

In virtually all forums I've participated in, one could rank on the other members to their heart's content but wives and children are off limits. ...and his response was to a post that wasn't even directed at him!

Sometimes. I'm amazed at how low class pix really is and how desperate he can get in order to "score a point" and I refuse to sink to his level.

[GMichael]

Nah, I'm still happily married to that beautiful Brazilian lady you and your lovely wife met.

Good. We like her.


But, I'm afraid that my playing with pixie here is pretty much over.

Tired of getting your hands dirty?


In virtually all forums I've participated in, one could rank on the other members to their heart's content but wives and children are off limits. ...and his response was to a post that wasn't even directed at him!

He doesn't seem to know any better. Try to forgive him. After all, he has to live with himself every day. That should be punishment enough.


Sometimes. I'm amazed at how low class pix really is and how desperate he can get in order to "score a point" and I refuse to sink to his level.

That would be a lot of sinking.


Pix,

Sorry again, but you make it so easy. It's almost like you want us to pick on you.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Pix,

Sorry again, but you make it so easy. It's almost like you want us to pick on you.
Brilliant!!! Brilliant!!!

[Rich-n-Texas]

I'll probably never get the chance to meet Mark's "beautiful Brazilian lady" since he's now getting cold feet about moving to hot Texas! :sad:

[markw]

I'll probably never get the chance to meet Mark's "beautiful Brazilian lady" since he's now getting cold feet about moving to hot Texas! :sad:And, no, she doesn't have any sisters!

Seriously, it's purely economics and an opportunity just presented itself here that may force me to remain until middle/late '10 at the earliest. Maybe another Texas visit around Xmas? But, then again, as youi may know, these amount to basically a whirl-wind tour.

But hey. there's always the vacations, and I may need more to do what I need to do. Now that the Bahamas bug has bitten again, that's a serious conflict. Not enough time to do all I want...

[Rich-n-Texas]

This thread has the potential to be a BLOCKBUSTER!!!
Sadly, it looks like TriMe opted out of this thread.

[Rich-n-Texas]

And, no, she doesn't have any sisters!
Cousin's? Nieces?


Seriously, it's purely economics and an opportunity just presented itself here that may force me to remain until middle/late '10 at the earliest. Maybe another Texas visit around Xmas? But, then again, as youi may know, these amount to basically a whirl-wind tour.
I'm in the early planning stages for a vacation up at a friend's shore house in Seaside next summer. A week maybe two, and I don't think your house is too far away. I'll pull the mufflers off my car so you'll have some advance warning. :ihih: Maybe Mr. & Mrs. GM could come down from the mountains and... Party at Mark's house!!! :yesnod:


But hey. there's always the vacations, and I may need more to do what I need to do. Now that the Bahamas bug has bitten again, that's a serious conflict. Not enough time to do all I want...
Someday maybe I'll be able to afford a vacation in... uhhh. Cali? :frown5:

[markw]

Sadly, it looks like TriMe opted out of this thread.After that wunnerful "welcome, howdy, how ya doin. glad to see ya" he got from pixie, can you really blame him?

Pity. He seems to know his stuff and would have made a wonderful contributer to the knowledge pool.

If you can make it out here to Joisey, I can pretty much guarantee we all can do something, particularly given sufficient lead time..

[pixelthis]

Good. We like her.



Tired of getting your hands dirty?



He doesn't seem to know any better. Try to forgive him. After all, he has to live with himself every day. That should be punishment enough.



That would be a lot of sinking.


Pix,

Sorry again, but you make it so easy. It's almost like you want us to pick on you.


THE ONLY THING you can pick is your nose.
When you're aim isnt off, anyway:1:

[pixelthis]

After that wunnerful "welcome, howdy, how ya doin. glad to see ya" he got from pixie, can you really blame him?

Pity. He seems to know his stuff and would have made a wonderful contributer to the knowledge pool.

If you can make it out here to Joisey, I can pretty much guarantee we all can do something, particularly given sufficient lead time..


AH yes, another loudmouth yankee, explains a lot.
You and Rich should get along swimingly, each one trying outdo
the other in obnoxious dept.
Maybe emily post can come by and teach you two some manners,
it would be the only "post" there, guarentee it:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

Maybe emily post can come by and teach you two some manners,
it would be the only "post" there, guarentee it:1:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh this one just ABSOLUTELY KILLED ME!!! Calling the kettle black are we pix? :lol: :lol: :lol:

:rolleyes:

[GMichael]

THE ONLY THING you can pick is your nose.
When you're aim isnt off, anyway:1:

Kitty better step back when it's firing time.:ciappa: :yikes:

[bobsticks]

What, are you shootin' taget pactice over ther GM?

...don't answer that.



FWIW, I agree with Worf's post.

[pdawg17]

Wow...you start a thread, wait a few days, and then come back to THIS?!

LOL...good stuff guys...I definitely feel I need to clarify a few things...

1) I love my wife a lot and I've learned to pick and choose my battles

2) She gets me to put my sub in a cabinet (still fighting this one), I get a new receiver with 1080p upconversion and 4-port HDMI switching

She gets in-ceiling speakers for the surrounds and rear surrounds, I get multi-room audio throughout the house

She wanted white fronts and center to match the color of the built-in, I said HELL NO!

That's the whole picture for you guys :) So don't worry...I've been compromising - not getting stepped on :)

[pixelthis]

Wow...you start a thread, wait a few days, and then come back to THIS?!

LOL...good stuff guys...I definitely feel I need to clarify a few things...

1) I love my wife a lot and I've learned to pick and choose my battles

2) She gets me to put my sub in a cabinet (still fighting this one), I get a new receiver with 1080p upconversion and 4-port HDMI switching

She gets in-ceiling speakers for the surrounds and rear surrounds, I get multi-room audio throughout the house

She wanted white fronts and center to match the color of the built-in, I said HELL NO!

That's the whole picture for you guys :) So don't worry...I've been compromising - not getting stepped on :)

AH, yeah, sure, anything you say.
The sub in a cabinet, that sounds okay, just make sure its a solid
cabinet built like the Bismark:1:

[pixelthis]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh this one just ABSOLUTELY KILLED ME!!! Calling the kettle black are we pix? :lol: :lol: :lol:

:rolleyes:


I knew you'd appreciate the irony
(that is not a plural of ironing, BTW)
Anyway heres a real pic of mark so you can reconize him when you pick him up at the bus station...:1:

[GMichael]

Wow...you start a thread, wait a few days, and then come back to THIS?!

LOL...good stuff guys...I definitely feel I need to clarify a few things...

1) I love my wife a lot and I've learned to pick and choose my battles

2) She gets me to put my sub in a cabinet (still fighting this one), I get a new receiver with 1080p upconversion and 4-port HDMI switching

She gets in-ceiling speakers for the surrounds and rear surrounds, I get multi-room audio throughout the house

She wanted white fronts and center to match the color of the built-in, I said HELL NO!

That's the whole picture for you guys :) So don't worry...I've been compromising - not getting stepped on :)

I tried to tell them, but would they listen? Nooooooooooooooo.......

Styx,

You've already seen my gun.:ciappa: