AT&T Uverse

[L.J.]

Anybody using this new service or have a friend or someone using it? Thoughts?

So here's the story. I'm so sick of Comcast. My rates just went up again for the same crap service. I keep having problems with my boxes and why does it take so long for the stupid channels to change :incazzato:

So I decided to do one of those package deals where you get phone,internet and TV for one price. I currently use AT&T for phone/internet service so I called to see what they had to offer. After a 20min phone conversation, I decicded to give there new Uverse service a try.

What I like:
No Contract :)
1 DVR & 2 HD boxes at no additional cost (Comcast was killing me with additional charges)
A savings of $60 per month over what I'm currently using for phone/internet/TV, plus gaining more HD/SD movie channels & phone features.
1 months free service, free HD for one year & a $50 visa gift card.
Free installation (I called Comcast and was gonna get charged $50 install for similar service)

What I don't like:
New service(I may run into problems but since there's no contract.....)
Only 1 HD stream (This is a big one. Only one person can watch HD, unless they both view the same channel. I have 3 HDTV's so this may cause some trouble. I was told this would be fixed by summer.)
Only 1 DVR per home (I use 2 with Comcast. One for my kids up front and one for me on my main system. Not really a big deal and I hope their VOD service will be useful for my kids up front. My 2 year old loves dinosaurs and we record shows for him to watch.)

Can't think of anything else, but I figure I could give it a try and go from there.

[JSE]

Hey L.J.

I've had Uverse for about 5 or 6 months now and really like it.

I have the U400 (?) package for cable and the Elite level internet service. If you have a cable modem with Comcast, go with the Elite. I think they offer Basic, Pro and Elite or something like that.

With these packages I get pretty much every channel there is. I get all the normal channels, a sports package, all the movies channels, plus about 35 to 40 HD channels. The internet is just as fast or faster than my last Roadrunner/Comcast service. For all this, I pay about $120/month compared to about $130 with Comcast which did not include HD, movies or a sports package. So I am getting way more for less.

Install was a breeze and it took about 6 hours. I don't have cat5 run in my house so the feed comes into my outside phone box and then runs inside to the modem/hub box. From this box, a coax line plugs into a wall coax outlet and then backfeeds all the tv's in my house via the existing coax lines Comcast/Time Warner installed a few years ago. Oh, and you also get free wireless from the modem/hub. My PC is hardwired to the internet and my wife's laptop is wireless. Very little to no reduction in speed on wireless.

What you Like: I agree on all of these. It's a great deal and no contract. I have no regrets at all because like you I understood Uverse's current limitations which you addressed in,

What you don't like: Yes, Uverse is limited in bandwidth right now and you do only have 1 HD stream and it's works just as you mentioned. However, ATT states they will being expanding this soon to allow 2 to 3 streams. I knew this going in so I am not disappointed assuming they "WILL" upgrade sometime soon. I am not sure about the 1 DVR limit. I thought I remembered having the option to get 2 but I could be wrong about this.

Picture quality - excellent for HD and decent for non hd. HD quality seems to be on par with my neighbors Comcast and Sat. They have a limited channel lineup compared to Sat but they are adding channels all the time. They have added probably 10 or so since I got Uverse. Non HD channels are 100% digital unlike Comcast's 0-99 channels. I actually think the slight reduction in non HD picture quality is due to my LCD TV because my old CRT TV in our bedroom has an incredible picture.

DVR: easy to use but not's as easy as the Comcast DVR. It takes a little more effort to set a recording but you do have more custom settings for each recording.

Overall - very impressed and I think Uverse will upgrade it's bandwidth soon. It's a big issue amount Uverse users and I think ATT is hearing them and moving toward upgrade as fast as they can.

Check this site our for a ton of info on Uverse. It's an independent Forum Board specific to Uverse. I have learned a ton of info on this board.

http://www.uverseusers.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,2/

Sorry for the long post. Feel free to ask my any questions.

JSE

[L.J.]

JSE thanks for your thoughts. I'm glad a fellow member is happy with the service since you probably are concerned with quality as much as I am.

I can't believe what Comcast is charging me now. $125 and that's just for cable with no premium channels :incazzato:

[Rich-n-Texas]

Cable blows man!

Did I already say that?

[JSE]

Cable blows man!

Did I already say that?

Careful there Mr. Rich. Your bodering on a red chicklet. Almost......:p

[Rich-n-Texas]

Gimmie! Gimmie gimmie gimmie!

[L.J.]

So AT&T came out on Monday and hooked the service up. I was happy they didn't send a kid and the guy actually did a clean install. He even hooked me up with a needed HDMI cable.

Ok so after a couple days of service I have some good and bad news when comparing this to Comcat. I guess I'll start with the good.

The Good:
Standard def looks fantastic! I'm still shocked at how good it looks on both my 56" & 60".
The Interface and VOD service is easy to navigate and a very smooth reponse.
More channels in HD & SD for less money

The Bad:
HD isn't as good. Quality is all over the place and I can barely tell the diff between HD & SD. It's a combination of the SD being very good and the HD being very bad.
Audio sync issues. And man it's bad. I was trying to watch the news this morning and couldn't do it.
A faint pause in sound about every 30 seconds on certain channels.

The Ugly:
I was unable to use the free HDMI cable because the picture looked like crap. It looked a little better when I went with Component.
The music stations(urge) do not sound as good. In fact it sounds like crap.

I guess I'll give it a few more weeks. I know this is a new service and has some kinks to work out but the bad HD & sound issues are pushing me away. I may end up going back to Comcast and trying this service again in a year.

[Rich-n-Texas]

So AT&T came out on Monday and hooked the service up. I was happy they didn't send a kid and the guy actually did a clean install. He even hooked me up with a needed HDMI cable.

Ok so after a couple days of service I have some good and bad news when comparing this to Comcat. I guess I'll start with the good.
There is no bad... See below.


The Good:
Standard def looks fantastic! I'm still shocked at how good it looks on both my 56" & 60".
The Interface and VOD service is easy to navigate and a very smooth reponse.
More channels in HD & SD for less money
My FIOS VOD service is very easy to navigate as well. And yup, a lot of HD & SD channels.


The Bad:
HD isn't as good. Quality is all over the place and I can barely tell the diff between HD & SD. It's a combination of the SD being very good and the HD being very bad.
Audio sync issues. And man it's bad. I was trying to watch the news this morning and couldn't do it.
A faint pause in sound about every 30 seconds on certain channels.
Then something's wrong. Fiber-optic is LESS compressed than cable (junk), so try a different HDMI cable. The picture on my TV is astonishing. Like I said, when I did an HD side-by-side with OTA, I saw no difference in PQ.


The Ugly:
I was unable to use the free HDMI cable because the picture looked like crap. It looked a little better when I went with Component.
The music stations(urge) do not sound as good. In fact it sounds like crap.
I didn't see where you said you tried a different HDMI Cable, but U-verse and FIOS are the same FTTH technology, so again, something's wrong.


I guess I'll give it a few more weeks. I know this is a new service and has some kinks to work out but the bad HD & sound issues are pushing me away. I may end up going back to Comcast and trying this service again in a year.
Don't give up! This time next year Comcast will probably have their "advanced fiber network" rolled out and you'll be paying out the butt for it. Get on the phone with U-verse CS and dogg 'em 'til they get it right!

All this... IMHO. :cornut:

[JSE]

So AT&T came out on Monday and hooked the service up. I was happy they didn't send a kid and the guy actually did a clean install. He even hooked me up with a needed HDMI cable.

Ok so after a couple days of service I have some good and bad news when comparing this to Comcat. I guess I'll start with the good.

The Good:
Standard def looks fantastic! I'm still shocked at how good it looks on both my 56" & 60".
The Interface and VOD service is easy to navigate and a very smooth reponse.
More channels in HD & SD for less money

The Bad:
HD isn't as good. Quality is all over the place and I can barely tell the diff between HD & SD. It's a combination of the SD being very good and the HD being very bad.
Audio sync issues. And man it's bad. I was trying to watch the news this morning and couldn't do it.
A faint pause in sound about every 30 seconds on certain channels.

The Ugly:
I was unable to use the free HDMI cable because the picture looked like crap. It looked a little better when I went with Component.
The music stations(urge) do not sound as good. In fact it sounds like crap.

I guess I'll give it a few more weeks. I know this is a new service and has some kinks to work out but the bad HD & sound issues are pushing me away. I may end up going back to Comcast and trying this service again in a year.

That sucks man! Like Rich said though, it sounds like something is not right. I have a few sound synch problems every now and then on some HD channels but they are very minor and resolve after about 30 seconds.

A couple of suggestions,

Try a better HDMI cable. I bought a couple 15ft Oppo cables and they work great. HD qaulity is great with my ATT. However I will agree HD qaulity varies from channel to channel. Even the worst is still very good though.

Check out the site I linked in my previous post. There are some great info and problem solving ideas. One thing I have heard is that the ATT and Verison systems either work great or not at all.

How far are is your main Box/Hub from your telephone box outside. I heard somewhere that qaulity will decrease once the run of wire is over 700 or so feet.

And reboot your DVR box and other boxes. I had some quality issues right at first. This solved them. Press the power button for about 3 to 5 seconds and the box will reboot.

Also, on the remote, hit Menu and scroll over the Options. Hit System Settings and then Apsect Ration. Make sure you are set to 1080i/p. I missed this at first and it makes big difference.

Hope some of this helps.

JSE

[L.J.]

DANG IT!!!!!!

I typed out this huge post then lost it***Waves fists in the air***:incazzato:

I'm not typing all that again. Basically, after reading from the site that JSE linked to, I see that I'm not the only one having these issues. My box was firmware updated the other day and the sync issues seem to have improved. Still getting pauses in sound and after reading I see this has something to do with the optical output to my AVR.

Also many reported HDMI problems and had to resort to using component. I may try to swap a different HDMI cable but I doubt this will add any improvement. I'm thinking of getting a OTA antenna for my local channels since I view these the most.

SD is excellent though (I watch alot of Comedy Central) so this is pissing me off. I have 3 HDTV's and HDTV looks like crap on all of them. What I mean by that is...there's no WOW factor. I was always impressed with Comcast's HD, but the Uverse HD just doesn't have the same sharpness & clarity. Looks good but no WOW.

I could have them switch boxes but the boxes he installed were new. I watched him open the boxes they came in.

Man, I wish all this would have just worked out. Such a great deal too :(

[Rich-n-Texas]

Like everything else these days L.J., product is released to the market before it's ready. How long now has U-verse been available in your area?

[L.J.]

Like everything else these days L.J., product is released to the market before it's ready. How long now has U-verse been available in your area?

I'm thinking it's pretty new. Last time I checked, a few months ago, they offered Dish Network as part of the Uverse service, so their TV service must've just become available. I checked Verizon but that's not available yet. Alot of people seem to think very highly of the Verizon service.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I know I do. The FIOS IMG (interactive media guide) has some kinks to be worked out, but I haven't yet had to put in a service call because of STB problems and such.

[L.J.]

Well I woke up this morning and my STB up front wouldn't turn on. It's just dead. I called tech and they're gonna send someone out to replace the box tomorrow. I haven't even had the service for 2 weeks yet and nothing but problems :nonod:

[Rich-n-Texas]

I can't really defend U-verse, but again, PQ is outstanding with FTTH technology with the least amount of compression, tuning a channel is much faster (very close to instantaneous) than when I was using my TV's built-in TV Guide service, the convenience of a Triple Play package is great, and overall the cost is lower than cable's attempt at a Triple Play service. IMO and truth is, I have a built-in hatred of cable TV due to the nightmare I had to endure when I bought my house and signed up for cable, so take this FWIW my friend.

[L.J.]

Well after 2 months of free service (first month free plus $100 check) I'm going back to Comcast. I can't take it anymore. I was hoping things would improve over that 2 month stretch but nope. HD still looks like crap....well crap for HD anyways....and that stupid slight pause every 30 seconds thing keeps happening. What really gets me is the one HD stream per household. My wife records American Idol and once that kicks in, we can't watch HD on any TV in the house. I'm kicking back watching HD in my bedroom and a freakin' message pops up saying I have to be interupted to allow the recording from another TV.

Comcast has some sweet promos going right now & they added more HD channels. I've been checking Verizon but it's not available in my area yet. I should probably look more into DirectTV but I don't like contracts and I live a few blocks from the Comcast site. One problem and a quick 2 minute car ride takes care of it.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Too bad it didn't work out for ya.

....and that stupid slight pause every 30 seconds thing keeps happening...
Same thing happens to me on both my DVR and standard STB. Interesting.

What really gets me is the one HD stream per household. My wife records American Idol and once that kicks in, we can't watch HD on any TV in the house.
Ditto. Verizon has an option to prevent that, but it's an extra cost.

Well, despite the similar issues, I still stand behind FIOS. I'm talking to my neighbor here at work; his friend has U-verse and he tells me the friend is ecstatic about his PQ. Must be a regional thing.

And the only thing I miss about D*TV is the XM radio stations. FIOS gives you Music Choice and Urge, neither of which thrill me in the slightest.

[JSE]

Well after 2 months of free service (first month free plus $100 check) I'm going back to Comcast. I can't take it anymore. I was hoping things would improve over that 2 month stretch but nope. HD still looks like crap....well crap for HD anyways....and that stupid slight pause every 30 seconds thing keeps happening. What really gets me is the one HD stream per household. My wife records American Idol and once that kicks in, we can't watch HD on any TV in the house. I'm kicking back watching HD in my bedroom and a freakin' message pops up saying I have to be interupted to allow the recording from another TV.

Comcast has some sweet promos going right now & they added more HD channels. I've been checking Verizon but it's not available in my area yet. I should probably look more into DirectTV but I don't like contracts and I live a few blocks from the Comcast site. One problem and a quick 2 minute car ride takes care of it.


That sucks!

I have been very happy with my Uverse so far. Still only one HD stream at a time but it's really not an issue in our home. My high def. PQ is amazing and have not had any pauses in a few months now. Like Rich said, I think quality varies from region to region right now.

[L.J.]

You know, some of the HD don't look half bad....but like I said before, there's no WOW factor. It's just OK, and I tried to live with that but it's hard when you know it should look alot better.

I just off the phone with Comcast. Pretty much got the same deal for the same price. The Comcast price is good for a year so I'll see what happens within that time.

Rich, I hate the Urge stations. Sounds like crap and a very bad selection for my tastes. I liked Music Choice alot better.

Geez, now I gotta these dudes in here touching on my gear. I hope they don't send out a kid!

[L.J.]

Too bad it didn't work out for ya.

Same thing happens to me on both my DVR and standard STB. Interesting.



Rich, does this happen with every channel? I found that it only happens on some channels. FoxHD seems to be one of the main ones. Kinda annoying though....I'm like, am I actually paying money for this :mad5:

[Rich-n-Texas]

I can't say with 100% conviction that this pause happens with every channel L.J., because I mostly watch only the HD channels in the living room. It does happen with all of the HD network channels, I know that much. My standard STB is in the bedroom connected to a CRT TV, and I mostly only watch a couple of analog network stations. On that TV, what I notice is like a verticle skip.

I have to ask... when you say the picture "pauses" does that mean like a frame freezes momentarily, or more like a frame doesn't appear? What I described above is what I see. The picture *skips* in a left-to-right motion on my HDTV, meaning it looks like some frames are dropped, but on my CRT it skips in an up & down motion, if that makes any sense. I had spent some time on AVS trying to find anyone there with a similar problem, but like I've said in the past... too many posts and too much info.

Rich, I hate the Urge stations. Sounds like crap and a very bad selection for my tastes. I liked Music Choice alot better.
I'm with you on that one. I'm using Internet Radio more than either of them right now, but I do miss my XM stations.

[Groundbeef]

Pardon my asking, but have you considered DirecTV? I've got it, and I like it a lot. Tons of HD channels, and more on the way.

The biggies are there Discovery, NatGe, Food, and a # more that I don't watch as freqently.

My neighbor is constantly *****in about Comcast, and the expense. She got her bill, and was telling my wife cable, internet and showtime/HBO was $179!!! for the month.

I have cable internet, DirecTV (and the HD package), NO pay channels, and I only pay about $135 for the whole bunch.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Do you have a DVR anywhere in the mix groundbeef? The rental in my FIOS HD DVR is $13.00/mo. My total cost for phone, internet and TV with DVR is costing me about $165 and at the time I dropped DirecTV with TIVO (non-HD), those three services were costing me about $180. I have unlimited long distance, 15Mbps internet (which I'll probably throttle back 'cause the VOD benefit of that speed isn't justified against it's PQ or HQ title offerings), and more HD channels than I watch anyway. The FIOS media guide ain't the greatest, but I haven't yet found one that isn't without some quirks.

[Groundbeef]

Do you have a DVR anywhere in the mix groundbeef? The rental in my FIOS HD DVR is $13.00/mo. My total cost for phone, internet and TV with DVR is costing me about $165 and at the time I dropped DirecTV with TIVO (non-HD), those three services were costing me about $180. I have unlimited long distance, 15Mbps internet (which I'll probably throttle back 'cause the VOD benefit of that speed isn't justified against it's PQ or HQ title offerings), and more HD channels than I watch anyway. The FIOS media guide ain't the greatest, but I haven't yet found one that isn't without some quirks.

I am old school, and use a TIVO unit. I like the interface, and ease of use. Since I have 2 units, I pay $18.00/month for them.

Its a bit of a pain for the HD stuff, but I have gotten some workarounds that do quite nicely for recording HD on my non-HD Tivo. Granted the resolution isn't as good as it could be, but it's better than non-hd.

As for phone, I just have a landline for $29/month. Cell phone for the rest.

[L.J.]

I can't say with 100% conviction that this pause happens with every channel L.J., because I mostly watch only the HD channels in the living room. It does happen with all of the HD network channels, I know that much. My standard STB is in the bedroom connected to a CRT TV, and I mostly only watch a couple of analog network stations. On that TV, what I notice is like a verticle skip.

I have to ask... when you say the picture "pauses" does that mean like a frame freezes momentarily, or more like a frame doesn't appear? What I described above is what I see. The picture *skips* in a left-to-right motion on my HDTV, meaning it looks like some frames are dropped, but on my CRT it skips in an up & down motion, if that makes any sense. I had spent some time on AVS trying to find anyone there with a similar problem, but like I've said in the past... too many posts and too much info.

I'm with you on that one. I'm using Internet Radio more than either of them right now, but I do miss my XM stations.

No problems with a the picture....I'm refering to slight pause in the sound. I was reading at the Uverse forums and it seems to happen to alot of people that use AVR for sound.

[L.J.]

Pardon my asking, but have you considered DirecTV? I've got it, and I like it a lot. Tons of HD channels, and more on the way.

The biggies are there Discovery, NatGe, Food, and a # more that I don't watch as freqently.

My neighbor is constantly *****in about Comcast, and the expense. She got her bill, and was telling my wife cable, internet and showtime/HBO was $179!!! for the month.

I have cable internet, DirecTV (and the HD package), NO pay channels, and I only pay about $135 for the whole bunch.

Yeah I thought about it. Probably should have looked further into it but......

Comcast has a phone/TV/internet thing going so I get all 3 for $175. This is unlimited phone, HBO/Starz, 3 HD boxes w/one being a DVR. They just added some more HD channels but like you, I find myself watching the same few channels. I've had the service for so long that I just got use to them. My wife is happy too. She seems to be having trouble adjusting to the new service.

I was always impressed with their HD quality and I'm not under a contract so I can always give something else a try in the future.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Oh, okay. I must've missed that. I notice a similar audio problem once-in-a-while too, but not very frequently. But I still stand behind my FIOS service. :o

[JSE]

With Uverse I pay $114 plus taxes (so about $124/month) for premium cable, HD, Sports Package, All the movie channels, DVR and internet. Granted mine works great. If I had LJ's problems, I would trash it as well.

[Rich-n-Texas]

I assume Uverse includes voice services?

[L.J.]

I assume Uverse includes voice services?

Yup. I decided to try Uverse before going with the Comcast triple play offer because I was hoping for overall improvement in service. $170($144 with a boat load of misc charges and taxes) with uverse got me unlimited phone/internet/TV with 4 HD boxes & 1 DVR. They said a 2nd HD stream was coming soon with the ability to watch recorded DVR content on any TV with a box. Hasn't happened yet and I'm not waiting around for it.

Last night I was watching the Lakers game and the freakin' thing tried to kick me off so American Idol could record for my wife. I had to stop the recording and she had to watch AI on another TV in SD. I didn't think the 1 HD stream was a big deal but with the NBA playoffs going on......

[Rich-n-Texas]

I get the sense that marital difficulties have been averted by your decision not to wait around. Witnessed by your second paragraph. :eek:

[L.J.]

I get the sense that marital difficulties have been averted by your decision not to wait around. Witnessed by your second paragraph. :eek:

:lol: Something like that. I did watch some of the regular season games in SD...but come on man, this is the playoffs ;)

[Rich-n-Texas]

Basketball games, hockey games, NASCAR and even golf :Yawn: are the sports I think look best in HD.

[L.J.]

Sweet glorious HD. It's back and it looks GREAT. Comcast came hooked me back up and man what a difference. I got that WOW factor back baby. And they even added more HD channels in the few months I was gone. Music choice is a big plus as well. I'm just shocked at the difference in HD quality. AT&T got a good thing going but they need to step it up in my area.

Well thanks for the help JSE & ......what's his name again.....oh yeah RICH.

[Rich-n-Texas]

In JSE's case it was the Shiner Bock beer doing the talking. :rolleyes:

[JSE]

In JSE's case it was the Shiner Bock beer doing the talking. :rolleyes:


WT......?

OK, good point. :p

[L.J.]

Well I tried Uverse a year ago and tomorrow is round 2. They seemed to have improved on some of the issues I had with them a year ago so here we go again. They now have the 2 promised HD streams coming into the house and something new called total house DVR. Comcast has bumped pricing again and I can basically get the same service a LOT cheaper through AT&T. They have some sweet promotions going on too. $200 cash back after 8 weeks of service. Hard to turn down $200 for trying out 2 months of HDTV :thumbsup:

[Rich-n-Texas]

Fiber-optic = most bandwidth for the buck. :yesnod:

[JSE]

Well I tried Uverse a year ago and tomorrow is round 2. They seemed to have improved on some of the issues I had with them a year ago so here we go again. They now have the 2 promised HD streams coming into the house and something new called total house DVR. Comcast has bumped pricing again and I can basically get the same service a LOT cheaper through AT&T. They have some sweet promotions going on too. $200 cash back after 8 weeks of service. Hard to turn down $200 for trying out 2 months of HDTV :thumbsup:


Yep, their bandwidth has expanded. Much more user friendly now.

Whole House DVR is also nice. You can watch anything on your DVR from any receiver in your house. Very cool.

Hopefully better luck this time. Let us know how it goes.

[L.J.]

Yep, their bandwidth has expanded. Much more user friendly now.

Whole House DVR is also nice. You can watch anything on your DVR from any receiver in your house. Very cool.

Hopefully better luck this time. Let us know how it goes.

After I get my $200 I may just cancel all services and run basic antenna service to the house for $13.99. I have a LOT invested in DVD & BR so I'm just gonna make use of my video library. Also my wife and I don't watch too much TV anymore. Now that I think about it, I can't remember the last time the TV in my bedroom was even turned on :wink5:

[Rich-n-Texas]

After I get my $200 I may just cancel all services and run basic antenna service to the house for $13.99. I have a LOT invested in DVD & BR so I'm just gonna make use of my video library. Also my wife and I don't watch too much TV anymore. Now that I think about it, I can't remember the last time the TV in my bedroom was even turned on :wink5:
Oh, ho ho ho ho ho... very funny. :rolleyes5:

Now be quiet!

[GMichael]

Oh, ho ho ho ho ho... very funny. :rolleyes5:

Now be quiet!

Ho ho ho?
Who you callin' a ho, ho?

[Rich-n-Texas]

I ain't no ho, I'm an out-of-work male slut.

[JSE]

I ain't no ho, I'm an out-of-work male slut.

Entrepreneur Business 101...........Invest in yourself! :hand:

[Rich-n-Texas]

Are you saying I should pay myself for sex... with... myself? :nono:

[GMichael]

Who else?

[JSE]

Are you saying I should pay myself for sex... with... myself? :nono:

You would charge YOURSELF for sex?


Do you really think your worth it? :ciappa:

[JSE]

................ :ciappa:


OK, maybe that was not the best choice for a smiley.

[GMichael]

OK, maybe that was not the best choice for a smiley.:ciappa:
:ciappa: What do you :ciappa: mean? :ciappa:
:ciappa: :ciappa: :ciappa:

[Groundbeef]

I ain't no ho, I'm an out-of-work male slut.

Wow Rich. You don't think we are onto your life. Why, there is even a documentary out about it.

Here it is:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/saturday-night-live-saturday-night-live-fred-garvin-male-prostitute/388647488

[Rich-n-Texas]

Buncha chuckleheads.

What was this thread about?

[Groundbeef]

Buncha chuckleheads.

What was this thread about?

I'm not sure Rich. Or should we call you Fred Garvin?

[Rich-n-Texas]

Wow Rich. You don't think we are onto your life. Why, there is even a documentary out about it.

Here it is:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/saturday-night-live-saturday-night-live-fred-garvin-male-prostitute/388647488
I've updated my glasses recently.

[Groundbeef]

Nice. Pimped them out did you?