We could learn alot from Porn Stars

[SlumpBuster]

So if you want to be in a porno movie for any of the major producers down in the Valley, you have to present your regular AIDS test showing that you are negative. No AIDS sceening, no performance. I think we could learn alot from that mentality.

Here we have a hobby dedicated, in large part, to hearing. But, how many of us have had an audiogram in the last 6 months. How about the last year? 5 years? 10 years? Ever?

For the uninitiated, here is a quick blurb on what and audiogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiogram)is. I had an audiogram last week. It was a followup exam from the corrective ear surgery that I had before Christmas. Guess what? I was truly a deaf mutha-effer. I went from a range of -30 to -45db to no more than -5db across the board. And my tenitus is gone. It took awhile for my low frequency hearing to return, but it is back now that everything is healed.

My point is this. Hearing truly is a subjective thing, as exemplified by the objective audiogram. Everyone's ears are constructed differently, have different damage, or lack of damage, ect. ect. Accordingly, your speakers really do sound different to me than they do to you. We talk about frequency response curves and sensitivity. Well, your ears have their own frequency response curve and sensitivity and its different than mine. It is still important to get your in-room response as flat as possible, but that is why you can't do it by ear. Are you all excited that Dynaudio has matched their drivers within .5db? Me too. Dynaudio makes fine speakers, but there should at least be a recognition that your ears are not even matched within .5db.

I think that this is a part of the system that is overlooked too often. I know I lived by my hearing damage too long. I thought, "Oh well, it's the price I pay for too many live shows and too much unclean living." I was wrong. I was also much, much more deafer than I realized. It happened so slowly that I didn't trully notice how a bad it had become. If you haven't been to an ear doctor in awhile, if ever, you should go. Especially, if your someone that likes to bag on other peoples systems.

I think before you get to bag on someone elses system or experience, you have to produce an audiogram no more than 6 months old. We'll do it just like the porn stars do, except with audiograms... and without all the hot spicy anonymous sex that has no consequences...

[Rich-n-Texas]

Hmmm... I have high frequency hearing loss in my left ear. I wonder if I fax my audiogram to my health insurance provider will they pay for the corrective surgery.

Oh wait a minute. I'm not even sure they'll pay for the exam.

Irregardless, thanks for this useful thread SlumpBuster! :thumbsup:

[kexodusc]

Good post! I've said before here, an audiologist friend of mine assures me the shape of our ears can contribute more to the frequency response we perceive than any piece of equipment at any price ever could.
Makes you wonder if plastic surgery would be cheaper than spending $60,000 on some esoteric cables and amplifier powered by peat moss and a hamster on a wheel.

[SlumpBuster]

Hmmm... I have high frequency hearing loss in my left ear. I wonder if I fax my audiogram to my health insurance provider will they pay for the corrective surgery.

Oh wait a minute. I'm not even sure they'll pay for the exam.

Irregardless, thanks for this useful thread SlumpBuster! :thumbsup:


I got good insurance, what can I say? But, keep in mind, insured or not, my "corrective surgery" was really just tubes in my ear drums that billed out to $650. The audiograms were $150 times two with two office visits at $150. So, approx $1200 and my hearing is completely restored.

[Rich-n-Texas]

Good post! I've said before here, an audiologist friend of mine...
Does he accept Cigna HMO patients?

[SlumpBuster]

Actually, I was also attempting to point out the banality of guys like Melvin. He prolly has cotton balls in his years. I figured by including the phrase "porn stars" in the title, it would keep him away. He doesn't like that loose language, you know?

[Luvin Da Blues]

Up "hear" in the Great White North, Workers Comp. will pay for one hearing test every two years (I think it's 2 years) if you work in a noisy environment (ie: construction, factory etc.). I had one done about 9 months ago.

[Groundbeef]

Actually, I was also attempting to point out the banality of guys like Melvin. He prolly has cotton balls in his years. I figured by including the phrase "porn stars" in the title, it would keep him away. He doesn't like that loose language, you know?

Heheheheh, you said "porn star" and "loose" in the same sentence...hehehehe

[johnny p]

whoa whoa whoa whoa..........

Is there a corrective/elective surgery that I can get that would give me the sense that my Speakers are 8 feet apart at all times?

[bobsticks]

Jah, like that sideways thing wit the Vulcan :cornut:

[basite]

actually, there's a thread on AK about a similar subject...


the university of south wales made a site with an interesting application on it.
It allows you to make your own audiogram, well, sort of...

check it out here (http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html)
it only goes up to 16khz, but it will give you a clear idea of how your good/bad your hearing still is...
this (http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/index.html) little program is also interesting, It's a tonegenerator, I use it to test my system, to set it up and for quick hearing tests...

both worth checking out...

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[audio amateur]

Cheers for that Bert. I seem to have sensitive hearing around 1KHz and 6KHz (this is where I'm at '0dB'). It goes down alot at 16KHz, but I can clearly hear it. From what I've measured for myself, my hearing ranges from 0 to -9dB throughout the audible audio spectrum, except for the extremes. Obviously these are slightly biased measurments, as I knew more or less what was coming to me, having studied some of this in the past. Good stuff:) I used some in-ear earphones, they seem to do the trick pretty well. So.. what is Tenitus anyway?

[Rich-n-Texas]

I think Tenitus is a constant ringing in the ear.

[mlsstl]

Tinnitus see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

[GMichael]

Does this mean that we should not set up our systems to have a flat response? Maybe it should be the inverse of our hearing graphs.

[mlsstl]

Does this mean that we should not set up our systems to have a flat response? Maybe it should be the inverse of our hearing graphs.
That's faulty logic. Our unique hearing characteristics (including deficiencies) apply to all sounds we hear, including live music.

Let's say we have a dip in our hearing at 5KHz. When we hear a live violin the sound gets processed to our brain with that dip.

A stereo system should have a flat response so it gives out the same frequency quality as the real instrument. If the stereo system were tweaked to boost at 5KHz, it would make the reproduced violin sound different than the live one.

Stereo systems have a hard enough time reproducing real instruments without intentionally adding to the problem.

[audio amateur]

Does this mean that we should not set up our systems to have a flat response? Maybe it should be the inverse of our hearing graphs.
:) but I doubt so, it would be even more complicated than trying to get 'flat' room reponse, plus our ears are used to being like this, it wouldn't be natural for them to be adjusted to their un-eveness.
Tinnitus sucks.. I've never had it. Thankfully. Except for the odd times after clubbing, which I avoid as much as possible. One can never be too careful with his/her hearing

[GMichael]

So, if we're used to hearing things wrong, we should continue to hear things at the same wrongness?
You guys do know that I'm just joking right? It was just a faulty joke.

[basite]

Obviously these are slightly biased measurments, as I knew more or less what was coming to me, having studied some of this in the past. Good stuff:) I used some in-ear earphones, they seem to do the trick pretty well. So.. what is Tenitus anyway?


'measuring equipment' we use (our PC) isn't really considered to be exellent for this, but it would give you an Idea...

you could try various equipment, I tested with my thiels of course, since the other options I have are a set of 30 year old Technics headphones (and not good ones) and my pc speakers, the pc speakers don't even reach 16 khz decently, so I used my thiels...


GM, a flat frequency response is not always what you're looking for. Theoretically seen, a flat frequency response is 'the ideal', but ideal can sound boring too. I'd rather have my system to have a certain distinctive sound than to have a completely flat frequency response. The fact that our hearing is unique is another factor though. some will like my system, others might not. Some might like a flat frequency response, some might find it sounding boring and well, flat.


Audio Amateur, when your ears are ringing after a party or so, means that the music there was too loud, it's a warning, after such parties, it's best to let your ears have some rest...

It's a temporal hearing loss, I read somewhere that the brain creates the ringing sound, to fill in some missing frequencies.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[audio amateur]

'measuring equipment' we use (our PC) isn't really considered to be exellent for this, but it would give you an Idea...
As far as i'm concerned, I did this the best way it could be done (ie. no room acoustics with earphones, flat response throughout) so I believe it was pretty accurate, except for the part where I judge the 'loundess' of each freq. which was the most subjective part of the exercise, and also the most difficult to get right.

Audio Amateur, when your ears are ringing after a party or so, means that the music there was too loud, it's a warning, after such parties, it's best to let your ears have some rest...

It's a temporal hearing loss, I read somewhere that the brain creates the ringing sound, to fill in some missing frequencies.

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

I'm aware, thanks.
AA

[bfalls]

I got good insurance, what can I say? But, keep in mind, insured or not, my "corrective surgery" was really just tubes in my ear drums that billed out to $650. The audiograms were $150 times two with two office visits at $150. So, approx $1200 and my hearing is completely restored.

I'm curious about your hearing correction. The only way putting tubes in your eardrums would help your hearing is if there was an difference in pressures between the inner and outer ear. This is pretty common in young children where the eustachian(sp) tube isn't developed to equalize the pressure. The pressure causes fluids to be drawn from the surrounding tissues. It's the tightness of the eardrum which causes initial hearing problems. If left untreated the eardrum stretches losing its flexibility causing permanent hearing loss.

The tubes are inserted to equalize the pressure and also allow drainage so the eardrum doesn't spontaneously puncture. My daughter actually had to have an eardrum punctured twice before tubes could be inserted. Voluntary puncturing allows the puncture to happen along the edge which heals better than a spontaneous puncture somewhere in the middle. How do the tubes help in your situation?

[SlumpBuster]

I'm curious about your hearing correction. The only way putting tubes in your eardrums would help your hearing is if there was an difference in pressures between the inner and outer ear. This is pretty common in young children where the eustachian(sp) tube isn't developed to equalize the pressure. The pressure causes fluids to be drawn from the surrounding tissues. It's the tightness of the eardrum which causes initial hearing problems. If left untreated the eardrum stretches losing its flexibility causing permanent hearing loss.

The tubes are inserted to equalize the pressure and also allow drainage so the eardrum doesn't spontaneously puncture. My daughter actually had to have an eardrum punctured twice before tubes could be inserted. Voluntary puncturing allows the puncture to happen along the edge which heals better than a spontaneous puncture somewhere in the middle. How do the tubes help in your situation?

Bingo! My hearing was helped exactly how you described.

The whole "tube in your ear thing" has come a long way in the last 20 or 30 years. My eustachian tubes are not functioning properly leading to fluid buildup behind the eardrum. I had previously suffered from ear infections an had a pretty bad one a number of years ago. I was told by the doctor at the time that I had permanent loss in my right ear. Turns out that he was wrong.

Tubes are thought of generally as a childhood issue, but according to my current doctor, they are becoming more frequent in adults. It appears to be a much different procedure for adults with no anesthesia being used. Despite what they tell you, it hurts really bad to have it done. Well the insicion and insertion don't hurt so much, its the vacuuming out of all the junk behind your eardrum that hurts like an SOB. While outcomes differ from person to person, my hearing is almost 100%. I hear better than my wife now, which drives her nuts. She went from constantly demanding that I turn things down to demanding that I turn things up. I heard 20khz for the first time, granted it was at 95db.

The tubes will fall out on their own, with the hole healing on its own. The idea is that the function of eustachian tube will return to normal through the process. If it doesn't, then I have to weigh the option of another round of tubes or a more radical/invasive approach.

At this point, I can't imagine going back to the way I was.

[pixelthis]

While on the subject of human falibility what about the eyes?
Anybody here ever tried lasik?
SEEMS like if you paid megabucks for a HT you'd want to be able to see it without glasses:1:

[Rich-n-Texas]

I've thought about lasik surgery on occasion, but insurance won't pay for it. I know many doctors have payment plans but when it comes right down to it, I don't need to see any clearer how overweight and out of shape I am. :mad:

[Groundbeef]

While on the subject of human falibility what about the eyes?
Anybody here ever tried lasik?
SEEMS like if you paid megabucks for a HT you'd want to be able to see it without glasses:1:

There is a huge difference between needing corrective hearing surgery and elective corrective vision surgery.

How would wearing glasses affect watching a movie? Your comment needs clarification.

[O'Shag]

Sexually transmitted disease is prevelent in the porno industry..

[Groundbeef]

If only you knew how much sexually transmitted disease is rampant in the porno industry, and the type of scumbags that run it. But what those people who run that industry want you to believe is that it is a mainstream 'clean' business - a supposition made easier by the easy access of porn on satellite and cable TV. It is not a clean and wholesome business at all. It is full of drugs, disease, and abuse of all sorts. You may chose to believe otherwise if you wish, but such is the truth.

Like any industry, there is always a dark side. While I'm not going to disagree with your post, I think that the adult industry has gone to greater lengths to help their workers than people belive.

And as participants of the industry become more popular, I think that they enjoy more "protections" than newbies.

Certainly a Jenna Jameson has much more latitude to decide who and what to do, but someone new, not so much. The big studios also do have some legal obligations for their talent. Smaller studios more than likely hire "contractors" versus have employees.

Porn isn't pretty, nice, or "fun". It's a job, and for some its a career. If you don't like it, you don't have too. And if anyone seriously cosiders it a reflection of how "love" works, thats just foolish.

But to somehow pretend that the participants are all 'unwilling' or somehow abused into performing is equally stupid. It pays big money, and takes a big toll on people. Police work is also difficult, as is any health related field. For that matter, any job in social service has got to wear you down. I can't imagine that working porn is any more difficult than say, investigating child abuse for a living.

[O'Shag]

I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours straight and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone in reasonable health. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, and which you have clearly bought into, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that are in some ways socially mal-adjusted, and have been sucked in to the lifestyle with often dire results. But the 'actors' are not where the problem originates. The really nasty part of the industry is the part you don't see - those that run it. The problem is growing, and each person has to be responsible to assess the quality of such a decision to support such an industry through subscription. I do not., because I don't like what the porno industry represents, and I don't like how it is affecting the moral character of our nation, in particular, our children.

[Groundbeef]

I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that have been sucked in to the lifestyle. But the 'actors' are meaningless.

1st. I wasn't comparing the two jobs per se, but rather showcasing 2 jobs that are very hard on people (mentally). Many officers struggle with cases they can't/couldn't solve, terrible accident scenes, people that have committed suicide and other tragic issues.

2nd. It's pretty big talk on your part about being able to perform on film. Have you ever engaged in sex on film before? Remember now, your going to have sex with a partner you don't get to pick. And then you have some dude putting a camera near your junk, and yelling "move left, move right etc". And you have the hot lights, and about 20 other people milling around gawking at you. Its not like your "bonking" the girlfriend at home under the sheets. I think that the people that are involved in porn are there because they can.

People do all sorts of stupid things when high, or drunk. I've never been high before (or will be), but have done my share of drinking. Not once while drinking have I thought "Damn, I ought to be in porn!". Point being, those folks would be high, porn or not. I don't think you can simply equate drug/alcohol use with involvement in porn. If you can do it, post up a link.

[GMichael]

I don't think you can compare bonking in front of a camera to being a policeman/women. Any simpleton can bonk. I can bonk for 4 hours straight and I don't need any stimulant. But so can almost everyone in reasonable health. Its a little more challenging I would think, to be a policeman. Its amazing the sort of risks people will take when drugs are involved and when some money is flashed (and which often is not paid by the way). Porno 'actors', contrary to the glamorous image you see on you cable/sat channels, are not financially successful people. They are often very troubled individuals that have been sucked in to the lifestyle with often dire results. But the 'actors' are not where the problem originates. The really nasty part of the industry is the part you don't see - those that run it.

Money corrupts, and the porn industry brings in a lot of money. I'm sure that new comers are pressured into doing all kinds of things things they don't really want to do, under the threat of "you'll never get anywhere if you don't."
The testing is at least a good start.

[Groundbeef]

. I do not., because I don't like what the porno industry represents, and I don't like how it is affecting the moral character of our nation, in particular, our children.

Then I strongly suggest you stop watching porn, and certainly don't allow your children to watch it.

That has got to be one of the lamest arguements I've heard in a while (yeah that was a pun). "DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN". Please. I don't let my kids drink, smoke, or watch movies over PG. But if I want to watch a porno with my wife after dark with the door closed, who are you to judge me?

I don't want my kids to do lots of objectionable things. I don't want them to go to an organized religion that teaches intolorance. Lots do. How many times have you seen those loonies from Kansas on TV protesting at the funeral of soldiers killed in action? The "God Hates ***s" folks? And your telling me that PORN is killing the moral fabric of this country? Gimme a break.

[O'Shag]

Heh Groundbeef,

your getting a little hot under the collar.

First off, this is a forum for Audio enthusiasts. It has absolutely nothing to do with pornography; an industry, I might add, you really know very little about, except for watching it regularly. If you are perchance into making 'amateur home porno movies' as many people who obsessively need porn for stimulation do, thats completely different than the organized porno industry.

I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum. I am not going to judge you for what you do in private, that is your business, but this forum is just that - a public forum. A forum is not about being in your own private world, no matter if it is sordid or not; its about sharing with other people - a lot of other people from around the world - including young people. That is why we sign an agreement before joining. It makes us think twice about saying really stupid things that have no bearing on audio and that may be offensive to a lot of people. I assure you that the vast majority of people in the US DO NOT feel as you do, and are uncomfortable with the premise of pornography as a normal part of our lives. One does not have to be affiliated with any religion to understand the potential dangers and corruption of such an industry. It has absolutely no resemblence to audio whatsoever. If I thought it did, or if I felt that most of the members wanted to blow the trumpets for pornography, you would no longer see me contribute my time and effort here.

[Groundbeef]

Heh Groundbeef,

your getting a little hot under the collar.

First off, this is a forum for Audio enthusiasts. It has absolutely nothing to do with pornography; an industry, I might add, you really know very little about, except for watching it regularly. If you are perchance into making 'amateur home porno movies' as many people who obsessively need porn for stimulation do, thats completely different than the organized porno industry.

I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum. I am not going to judge you for what you do in private, that is your business, but this forum is just that - a public forum. A forum is not about being in your own private world, no matter if it is sordid or not; its about sharing with other people - a lot of other people from around the world - including young people. That is why we sign an agreement before joining. It makes us think twice about saying really stupid things that have no bearing on audio and that may be offensive to a lot of people. I assure you that the vast majority of people in the US DO NOT feel as you do, and are uncomfortable with the premise of pornography as a normal part of our lives. One does not have to be affiliated with any religion to understand the potential dangers and corruption of such an industry. It has absolutely no resemblence to audio whatsoever. If I thought it did, or if I felt that most of the members wanted to blow the trumpets for pornography, you would no longer see me contribute my time and effort here.

Well, I guess we are going to different opinions, and thats ok. As far as "hot under the collar", I haven't even warmed up.

But please don't begin a discussion, then edit your posts after a response has been written, and "pretend" that I'm the only one having this conversation. Thats why I use full quotes in my responses. Clearly you are writing out your rear end, and then having "writers remorse" after being rebutted. You are 100% correct this is an audio forum. And a A/V forum. That would include video. Including Porn.

And your broad and general statements are if at the very least as "laughable" as anything else that has been posted. You know even less about me, than I may/may not know about the porn industry. As for me watching porn regularly, I probably watch it less than you do, seeing how much "knowledge" you have of the industry.

The main "thrust" of my arguement was that simply trying to pigeon hole porn as the downfall of moder society is ignorant. Sex has been around for ages. Porn has been around for as long as people have been. Cave paintings depict sex. Books/writings depicting sex have been with us for ages. Some of the earliest images from a camera involved sex. The first "porno" came out shortly after the invention after of movie making.

Again, its about choice. If you don't want to see it, dont. But lets stop pretending that the downfall of modern society lies between the sleve of a DVD in the "adult" section.

[SlumpBuster]

I think Slumpbuster's original statement is laughable in the context of this forum.


Hey, I take offense to that... my statements are laughable in any context. I get no respect, I tell ya. My doctor told me I only had two weeks to live, I said "Doc, I want a second opinion." He said, "Okay, you're ugly, too." No respect.

Seriously though, cut it out everyone. The intent of my original statement was to be good for a laugh and interject some humor. I'm sorry if the outside world made its way into one of my posts. Its taking all my will power not to mention that the porn industry is bigger than Hollywood by a third. So, I won't mention it. Opps.

Can't we all just get along now...for the sake of the children. :D

[Rich-n-Texas]

RODNEY!!! Is that YOU?!?!?!?!

Welcome back from the dead! :thumbsup:

[GMichael]

Hey, I take offense to that... my statements are laughable in any context. I get no respect, I tell ya. My doctor told me I only had two weeks to live, I said "Doc, I want a second opinion." He said, "Okay, you're ugly, too." No respect.

Seriously though, cut it out everyone. The intent of my original statement was to be good for a laugh and interject some humor. I'm sorry if the outside world made its way into one of my posts. Its taking all my will power not to mention that the porn industry is bigger than Hollywood by a third. So, I won't mention it. Opps.

Can't we all just get along now...for the sake of the children. :D

I respect you slump. Even after the morning came. And you're really not that ugly.:idea:

[SlumpBuster]

Who are these guys arguing about porn? They don't even watch porn. I know about porn, I tell, ya. I've done porn. I was the centerfold in Playgirl Magazine. The staples covered everything!

All I got is porn! My sex life is terrible. Last night my wife met me at the front door wearing sexy lingerie. The trouble was, she was coming home. I get no respect.

[GMichael]

I heard she cut you down to once a month. Hey, but don't sweat it. I know guys she has cut out altogether.

[O'Shag]

Sorry Slumpbuster - if it was humour, no problem - I like a good laugh too. I disagree with PoundBeef on several counts though. There are many places to visit on the net to talk about and obsess over porno movies. I wasn't aware this forum even being A/V was one of them. Judging by the man's response he is inclined towards ridiculing others to make himself feel justified.

First, I edited the post before I thought anyone could respond because I realized that someone like Poundbeef would explode (with on or two tiny drops I should imagine) in defence of what clearly is his favorite personal pastime - wanking.

Second, I do not watch porno movies because I know what they represent and stand for and don't wish to support that industry. I happen to have insider knowledge and first hand experiences, and have seen what its done to many friends and aquaintances. It is a horrible industry with many very ruthless dispassionate people who care nothing for anybody but themselves. As I mentioned previously, it is rampant with drugs, disease, lies, violence, and organized crime. It promotes several aspects of human behaviour that are not right.

I do not need to justify my own level of sexuality as a means to avoid ridicule. Sufficed to say, my missus and I l have a vigorously healthy sexlife, and we never watch porn - except on weekdays.

[Groundbeef]

Sorry Slumpbuster - if it was humour, no problem - I like a good laugh too. I disagree with PoundBeef on several counts though. There are many places to visit on the net to talk about and obsess over porno movies. I wasn't aware this forum even being A/V was one of them. Judging by the man's response he is inclined towards ridiculing others to make himself feel justified. .

Well, aren't you a bit snarky? Again, I didn't bring it up. And after your rather longwinded, and rambling manifesto (that you later edited after being called out), I responded. If you don't want a response, don't post.



First, I edited the post before I thought anyone could respond because I realized that someone like Poundbeef would explode (with on or two tiny drops I should imagine) in defence of what clearly is his favorite personal pastime - wanking..

Hello, Kettle. Nice to see you've met Mr. Pot. Oh look, you're both black. If your gonna chide someone in one paragraph, then don't do it in the preceeding paragraph. It tends to weaken your already limp arguement. And second, you've edited 2 posts, after comments have been posted about your writings. It's not like we can't see the "edited by" tag on your postings. Perhaps you ought to use the "preview post" button first. Otherwise it looks like you are changing your posts to make them appear less offensive. (IE removing "bonking")



Second, I do not watch porno movies because I know what they represent and stand for and don't wish to support that industry. I happen to have a lot of insider knowledge and first hand experiences, and have seen what its done to many friends and aquaintances. It is a horrible industry with many very ruthless dispassionate people who care nothing for anybody but themselves. As I mentioned previously, it is rampant with drugs, disease, lies, violence, and organized crime..

Thats quite a juxtaposition in your arguement. You don't watch porn, nor do you support it, but you have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE? How's that work? I am sorry for your friends, but like any high profile jobs, there is plenty of abuse (drug, alcohol etc) in the field. What about major motion stars? Heath Ledger (Rx overdose), River Pheonix (drugs), Chris Farley (Drugs), Phil Hartman (murder), John Belushi (drugs), Britney Spears (Drugs, Alcohol), Lindsay Lohan (Alcohol, drugs). Those are just a couple off the top of my head. As far as I know, none were involved in porn.

Don't get started on musicians either.

Perhaps we ought to outlaw both Music, AND Movies, I mean for the love of God, look at all the death!!



I do not need to justify my own level of sexuality as a means to avoid ridicule. Sufficed to say, my missus and I l have a vigorously healthy sexlife, and we never watch porn - except on weekdays.

Then don't. No one was asking. And from your posting, it appears that you sir, are doing the ridiculing. (poorly I might add).

[O'Shag]

Poundbeef, your a stupid ass, and a waste of time.

[Groundbeef]

Poundbeef, your a stupid ass, and a waste of time.

Wow. Didn't take long for you to come down off your high horse. I'll leave your response as it is.

You can't debate the topic you started mid thread. So you resort to name calling after chastising people for name calling and ridicule. Thanks for playing. :dita:

[emaidel]

These posts are getting really ridiculous, but then again, the thread was originally titled, "We Could Learn alot (sic) from Porn Stars."

So, porn it is, porn it was, and porn it will remain. When I used to attend annual Consumer Electronics Shows in Las Vegas, there was always the "X-rated" video area. For some time, porn stars, and the distributors of their films, were placed right smack next to legitimate electronics manufacturers, and I can assure you, that didn't go over very well at all. Ultimately, the porn area was located off site, and usually in a soon-to-be-torn-down hotel.

When a female porn star walks near you, and stinks to high heaven, or when another female porn star is wearing a wedding dress, with the front cut open up above her crotch, I have to say that that's not only distasteful, it's disgusting, and there's certainly nothing any of us can "learn" from that!