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N. Abstentia
03-01-2007, 04:35 PM
I'm looking at the Zune and the 60gb Creative Zen since they are about the same price. I'm leaning towards the Zune even though it's only 30 gigs but I figure 30 gigs is plenty just for music.

But anyway, here's my main question. I don't 'buy' music online, all my music comes from my ripped CD's. With the Zune, does it simply work as easily as plugging in the USB then copying the music files to it? This is how my 2gb Sansa works and I love that :)

emorphien
03-01-2007, 08:02 PM
I think that's how my friend does it but I'd have to ask him. I don't think it's terribly complicated or anything.

The Zune is pretty damn nice.

N. Abstentia
03-01-2007, 08:23 PM
Cool. I'm not really so much worried about it being complicated to use some kind of syncing software, It's just that I don't WANT to :)

I've already got everything ripped to MP3 with the cover art, I don't give a hoot about playlists, I don't buy MP3's online, all my CD's are already oganized...I just want to pick an album and play it!

emorphien
03-01-2007, 09:44 PM
Well you do need the Zune software to sync the Zune I think.

audio_dude
03-02-2007, 06:57 AM
WHY would you want a zune??

its microsofts poor entry to try to kill the iPod... not gonna happen.

i'm not trying to be an apple fanboy (i'm a linux fanboy :P) but the iPod is a much better player in general. Its smaller than the zune, MUCH better software, much better UI.

The zen is a nice player, but i find it very unwieldy and bulky. The controls are also very counter-intuitive.

emorphien
03-02-2007, 07:05 AM
Please, the iPod has been dead a long time depending on the kinds of features you want. As far as I'm concerned my iRiver IHP-120 killed it 3.5 years ago when I got it, and there's still no iPod with comparable features.

Software and UI on the Zune are very nice, personally I think the ranting and raving about the iPod is exaggerated. A lot.

bubbagump
03-02-2007, 02:24 PM
Goofy name but for the audiophiles out there, the Vibez is the way to go. It doesn't have the capacity of the Zune or full size iPod but is worthy in every other way. It's more or less the successor to the late, great Rio Karma. If you've ever owned anything from Rio, you'll immediately recognize and appreciate the funtionality. It's even less expensive. The iPod is a nice machine but it's morphed into something other than a great audio player. I have no experience with the Zune but it's larger than what I think a portable audio player should be. Another poster recommended iRiver product which I agree with checking out. Cowan is also good and until the Vibez was released, was where a lot of Rio people went after Rio went under.

thomasward00
03-03-2007, 08:13 AM
I have a Zune, Xenos portable amp and Grado SR 60's The Zune rocks!

thomasward00
03-03-2007, 08:17 AM
I've had 4 Ipods die within a 2 year time period, the zune is a superior product. Microsoft has enough money to grind things out with the Zune platform until the IPod is no longer dominant. I used to be a mac user a few years back, then I stopped sipping the apple kool aid, the present and future integration with Zune, 360 and Vista will be awesome, and Dominant. Just a matter of time.....

audio_dude
03-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Microsoft MUST keep apple alive as a company simply because they need "competition" in the computer market, they'd get too many antitrust suits if they kill apple.

btw, the iPod will never die, the zune is NOT a better product, its all personal preference...
you are a microsoft and zune fanboy, just go tell bill i hate windows (I use linux!)

emorphien
03-03-2007, 02:43 PM
btw, the iPod will never die, the zune is NOT a better product, its all personal preference...
you are a microsoft and zune fanboy, just go tell bill i hate windows (I use linux!)
The Zune is not a worse product either, don't go casting fanboy unless you can show you're not guilty yourself. I own none of the above and don't draw much preference. To me the Zune and iPod are fairly similar in the end, and I won't personally be buying either any time soon.

cedman1
03-03-2007, 05:16 PM
I have the Nano 2GB and the Zune. For the Nano I use AAC encoding and for the Zune I use a high bit-rate WMA encoding. The are both nice players however I find myself using the Zune more lately. As for the software iTunes is a little more straight forward but the zune will play the AAC files as well as the podcast.

My current preferred setup is Zune + Grado 60's

audio_dude
03-03-2007, 08:11 PM
yes, i agree that the zune is a decent music player, as is the iPod... but it really is all in personal preference. actually, if I could go back and re-buy my first MP3 player, i probably would have bought a Rio Karma or something.

oh well, i've just grown to love the iPod, sure they may break, and even steve himself stated that he wants us to upgrade our iPod every 18 months or so. But still, even after that, i still love it.

i'm not saying the Zune is bad at all, i've never tried it so i will not claim to know. but for someone who JUST joined the forum to randomly spit out some massive piece of zune/microsoft fanboyism is just...

nightflier
03-09-2007, 10:48 PM
Microsoft MUST keep apple alive as a company simply because they need "competition" in the computer market, they'd get too many antitrust suits if they kill apple.

btw, the iPod will never die, the zune is NOT a better product, its all personal preference...
you are a microsoft and zune fanboy, just go tell bill i hate windows (I use linux!)

Just look up the reviews that compare the Zune with the iPod (not the 2Gb version, the 30Gb one), and most of these will tout the iPod over the Zune for many reasons (size, weight, copyright restrictions, battery life, the list goes on). The Zune is a fine attempt for a ver1.0, but just like Windows, it will take a few versions before it's a competitive product. In the computer industry, we all know to avoid ver1.0 of anything, like the plague. Let others be the beta testers, and buy yourself a mature product like the iPod, you'll probably be a whole lot happier.

And just for the record, I'm a Rio owner and Linux user. If I'd have a need for a new MP3 player, and the Linux port to the iPort was better, I'd buy an iPod. Unfortunately my company doesn't see things that way, so I'm still forced to use Windows & MacOS at work.

audio_dude
03-10-2007, 11:19 AM
yay, another linux lover!

Agreed, always avoid version 1 of ANYTHING in technology... and NEVER EVER EVER EVER! use a v.1 from microsoft... its just a nono

N. Abstentia
03-10-2007, 10:32 PM
WHY would you want a zune??

.

Mainly because every iPod I've ever had has been a pile of crap and I hate iTunes. PLUS, an iPod can't play any of my WMA files. That's crazy.

I went ahead with the Zune, I've had it about a week (I forgot my post here asking about the Zune!)..I love the Zune. This baby is sweet. I'll never have another iPod. The Zune software works great, which surprised me. Very intuitive.

audio_dude
03-11-2007, 08:16 AM
well, thats good that you like it.

Personally i don't, but thats my opinion. Enjoy.

N. Abstentia
03-11-2007, 06:20 PM
Oh I almost forgot....there's not an iPod that has an FM radio tuner in it. Apple charges how much for that thing??? :)

Just curious....what exactly don't you like about the Zune....other than it's a Microsoft product? It does everything the iPod does plus plays WMA files and FM radio, and has a bigger screen. What's not to love?

emorphien
03-12-2007, 11:41 AM
...other than it's a Microsoft product?
I think you've stumbled across the reason.


I'm sure he'd be shocked to learn that I really like vista.

N. Abstentia
03-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Must suck to be a Microsoft h8er :)

Meanwhile I'll kick back with my Windows computers, Xbox 360, and Zune. Enjoy your Mac, iPod, and....uhh....Newton!

Dusty Chalk
03-12-2007, 06:39 PM
Must suck to be a Microsoft h8er :)No, not really.

audio_dude
03-13-2007, 12:17 PM
never owned a mac, newton or anything...

I'm an opensource, linux guy. Even my gaming system is open source! http://gp2x.co.uk/go.pl?A134 The GP2x, its great.

Microsoft has made a business of taking ideas of others, changing them a bit, making them flashy then putting a big fat MICROSOFT logo on it. (oh yeah, and a big fat price tag)

Yes, i do use windows XP for gaming. but the only thing i like from apple is the iPod.

I don't really hate microsoft, i just don't agree with them, so i use alternatives.

And i don't really have anything against the zune, just the fact that its microsoft ripoff of the iPod... like I said before. (oh look, a circular control pad!)

nightflier
03-13-2007, 12:18 PM
Just curious....what exactly don't you like about the Zune....other than it's a Microsoft product? It does everything the iPod does plus plays WMA files and FM radio, and has a bigger screen. What's not to love?

Here you go:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html,

and it's well researched too. If that's not enough, just do a Google search for more - there's a whole lot out there.

Dusty Chalk
03-13-2007, 12:35 PM
LOL.
Well no, it doesn't have a clickwheel, just a round button designed to look like one. That means there's no circular input to spin through long lists of songs. This one just kills me. Do you know how many people are going to try to spin through songs incorrectly before they defenestrate?

I also enjoyed myth #10 and its accompanying pic:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Images/zune.jpg

N. Abstentia
03-13-2007, 04:19 PM
Here you go:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/9F60D74A-0E27-4F5F-B88D-835974628809.html,

and it's well researched too. If that's not enough, just do a Google search for more - there's a whole lot out there.

Again, it must really suck to be a Microsoft h8er (not calling YOU that, NF..just making a statement). Not sure what iPod fanboi made that site, but after having a Zune for 3 days I've already proved most of their statements wrong (of course I can't prove the ones that are theory's ). But my Zune plays podcasts, movies, audiobooks, and everything else they said it can't do. Methinks whoever made that site has never even seen a Zune! This type of thinking is another reason I dislike iPods and their fanbois.

Dusty Chalk
03-13-2007, 06:03 PM
So you're saying it does have that iPod interface, where you can spin your finger in a circle to cycle through selections? 'cause everyone I know who has an iPod (I don't) says that the main reason they prefer the iPod (this was before the Zune came out) was because of the interface. So they either do not have the interface, or they copied it from the iPod. Neither of which is a good thing.

I'm not a "blind" Microsoft hater, but I keep getting new reasons to hate them all over again. My hate is well thought out.

emorphien
03-13-2007, 06:47 PM
It doesn't have the scrolly thingy, and it doesn't need it. The scrolly thingy is overrated.

N. Abstentia
03-13-2007, 06:50 PM
No the Zune wheel does not spin, it works like a D-pad. My 15 year old JVC VCR does have a spin wheel though that jogs through the video, so it's hardly anything new. Imagine that...Apple stealing someone else's design!

Does the iPod's scroll wheel also scroll through FM radio stations? OH...sorry. I forgot the lack of an FM tuner in the iPod. Oops!

Dusty Chalk
03-13-2007, 07:49 PM
LOL -- you mean you actually (a) have a station worth listening to, and (b) have more than one, so you actually need to change stations?
It doesn't have the scrolly thingy, and it doesn't need it. The scrolly thingy is overrated.I just told you that's what everyone I know who owns an iPod loves about it.

The JVC VCR thing is different. You twist it, it's not a touchpad. Sony had that too. I do, however, have a laserdisc player that has something analogous to that spinny scrolly thingy.

Don't get me wrong, the scrolly thingy isn't the best thing since sliced bread -- jeez, we're talking about a little gadget here that's about as expensive as a cell phone. I make fun of iPod users all the time: (stares down at navel, mimes the little finger spinny scrolly movement that instantly identifies all iPod users everywhere) See? I can even do it in ASCII. I'm just saying, it must be pretty frustrating making a device that's not as good and about 5 years too late, and wondering why one isn't instantly dominating the market.

Woo-hoo, it's got the Microsoft name behind it -- that's a reason not to get it. Kind of reverse branding, if you will.

N. Abstentia
03-14-2007, 02:51 AM
I make fun of iPod users all the time: (stares down at navel, mimes the little finger spinny scrolly movement that instantly identifies all iPod users everywhere) See? I can even do it in ASCII. I'm just saying, it must be pretty frustrating making a device that's not as good and about 5 years too late, and wondering why one isn't instantly dominating the market.



iPod users are just so easy to make fun of, aren't they? :ciappa:

But I totally disagree with your other statement....especially about the Zune not being as good. Not as popular maybe (yet), but not as good? No. Worst case is they pretty much work the same. They play music. They play videos. But the Zune adds a bigger screen, WMA support, wireless sharing (which will be expanded on in the future to include other wireless access), and better software if any of that matters.

And with the Microsoft name behind it, let's not forget who actually funds Apple to keep them in business. Ahh yes...Microsoft (that must really make Zune h8ers puke). Plus you know for a fact that Microsoft does not care about money. They don't care if they lose 8 billion dollars on the Zune, they will just continue to add features and making it better.

Also, let's not forget that people were saying similar things about the Xbox when it came out years ago...too late, too big, it's Microsoft, it's not Sony so it sucks. Now who's the dominant player in the game console world? Hmmmmmm.....

emorphien
03-14-2007, 04:49 AM
I love that when people run out of ideas for a legitimate argument they just say something "isn't as good."

audio_dude
03-14-2007, 08:10 AM
LOL

this is hilarious.

Microsoft HAS to fund apple or they'll fall as a company to many antitrust suits. Guys, sure the zune has a bigger screen... AT THE SAME RESOLUTION, so its just blockier... great...
oh, and yes, with the little apple radio remote, you CAN scroll through stations with the wheel... *sticks out tongue*

it also seems really akward to have to put your hand so far down on the player to use the controls, seems like it would fall.

emorphien
03-14-2007, 08:42 AM
Microsoft HAS to fund apple or they'll fall as a company to many antitrust suits. Guys, sure the zune has a bigger screen... AT THE SAME RESOLUTION, so its just blockier... great...
Use one. The screen is indeed a lower pixel density screen than on the iPod, but it causes less eye fatigue than the iPod screen because you don't need to hold it as close to your face. At close viewing distances, just a couple inches further away can provide much lower eyestrain.

You can make circular arguments (pun intended) all you want about the control system. Personally neither the Zune nor the iPod has the best control interface (nor does my old iHP-120 for that matter). Just please try to avoid parroting stupid complaints about "oh the screen is the same resolutions" because there are still benefits to it that a smaller screen can't touch. Should it have been higher resolution? I wish it were, but it isn't and just as well for MS because even though the sum of the whole in hardware and performance might be greater than the iPod is (and I believe it is, like some other players), it's not going to sell for more than the iPod because the general public believes all should be judged against the iPod. Putting in a higher resolution screen would just lose MS more money and based on those who are using (and not just bashing) both players, the fact that it isn't higher resolution isn't a big deal.

nightflier
03-14-2007, 09:16 AM
But the Zune adds a bigger screen, WMA support, wireless sharing (which will be expanded on in the future to include other wireless access), and better software if any of that matters.

The wireless sharing "feature" seems to be the one that Microsoft is most proud of, but it it the one feature that irks the most people. For every file that you share that way, the Zune adds DRM to it. Now think of this for a second, if you write your own music or have a public-domain file, and specifically intend for it to be distributed publicly, then the Zune still adds DRM to it. To me this is just a few clicks shy of a virus and I'm not even sure of the legality behind this "feature" when sharing public-domain files.

To top it off, the Zune won't work with Microsoft's own download format. How moronic is that? That would be like an iPod that won't work with iTunes. Now I'm sure Microsoft did this because it couldn't come to an agreement with the RIAA in time to launch the Zune before x-mas, and I'm sure they will fix it in the future. Yet, this goes right along with my comments about NOT buying a ver1.0 of anything.

If you consider all the other gripes people have with it and the fact that it's selling used for far less than the iPods (as a percentage of MSRP), it becomes clear that the Zune promised far more than it delivered.

N. Abstentia
03-14-2007, 02:20 PM
The wireless sharing "feature" seems to be the one that Microsoft is most proud of, but it it the one feature that irks the most people. For every file that you share that way, the Zune adds DRM to it. Now think of this for a second, if you write your own music or have a public-domain file, and specifically intend for it to be distributed publicly, then the Zune still adds DRM to it.

To top it off, the Zune won't work with Microsoft's own download format. How moronic is that?

If you consider all the other gripes people have with it and the fact that it's selling used for far less than the iPods (as a percentage of MSRP), it becomes clear that the Zune promised far more than it delivered.

1) Meh. Not a concern for me. I don't plan to wirelessly share anything, but I'm looking forward to the future wireless capabilities such as streaming to my Xbox and such. Besides, even if the Zunes wireless were crappy it's still light years ahead of the iPod's wireless...which is non-existent. At least Microsoft is adding something new and useful.

2) Don't know who told you that, but they're clueless. I haven't had a single problem with it. Maybe you should actually use a Zune so you can see?

3) All they promised was an improved iPod that costs less. So far I'd say they knocked it out of the park.

ruckus1706
03-14-2007, 04:59 PM
it also seems really akward to have to put your hand so far down on the player to use the controls, seems like it would fall.


Ok that was the stupidest thing i have herd......what do you have really week hands?

I have a zune, no problems for me.......I have used the wireless sharing.......not that exciting. I use the zune pass where u can download as many songs as you want, but only to your zune. Works out fine

N. Abstentia
03-14-2007, 05:16 PM
LOL

sure the zune has a bigger screen... AT THE SAME RESOLUTION, so its just blockier... great...


So when given the choice of a 14" TV running 1080p and a 42" TV running 1080p you always choose the 14"? That's real smart.

Dusty Chalk
03-14-2007, 05:47 PM
Why do you pic 1080p? Of course 42" is superior for a 1080p resolution most of the time, but pic something in between, like 480p. 42" isn't always the superior choice -- what if you're talking about a computer monitor...oh, alright, yes, I would love a 42" monitor, but most people would want something more realistic.

Don't bring the XBox into this -- that's an entirely different argument with an entirely different company, and I have no argument that the XBox is a superior product than the PS3. That doesn't extrapolate to the iPod debate.

N. Abstentia
03-14-2007, 06:02 PM
Okay, 720p then. 480p. Don't matter...why would you ever choose the smaller screen assuming that the actual casings were the same size? That's something a stupid person would do. Makes no sense. Of course these are iPod fanboys we're dealing with :)

audio_dude
03-14-2007, 06:14 PM
thats a HUGE exageration, thats like picking a 42" TV and a 50" TV... which would you rather have?

oh, and for the 14" one, i'd rather have that if I was sitting right up near it... neck strain galore for a 42" a foot away...

Dusty Chalk
03-14-2007, 09:54 PM
Okay, 720p then. 480p. Don't matter...why would you ever choose the smaller screen assuming that the actual casings were the same size? That's something a stupid person would do. You obviously haven't seen 480p on a 42" screen -- looks like dookie.

And you're getting out of hand with that "stupid", stupid.

audio_dude
03-15-2007, 01:43 PM
and N. Abstentia... the Zune case is much larger than the 30gig iPods...
and Dusty, i've seen what they are calling "EDTV" on a 42 incher...
(its basically 480p, with more vertical lines to fill in the widescreen portion)
true 4:3 480p looks distorted and wide if the same rez is used on a widescreen plasma.

N. Abstentia
03-15-2007, 04:04 PM
You obviously haven't seen 480p on a 42" screen -- looks like dookie.

And you're getting out of hand with that "stupid"

If the shoe fits.....

I can't think of a better word to describe what I'm seeing in my mind.

N. Abstentia
03-15-2007, 04:07 PM
and N. Abstentia... the Zune case is much larger than the 30gig iPods...


Well the Zune does have a much bigger and clearer screen, so I guess that's why. And the case is not really that much bigger....you make it sound like it's as big as a brick. It's like 3mm bigger. But once you see that sweet Zune screen and feel the solidness of the construction of the Zune, you don't think about that 3mm.

audio_dude
03-15-2007, 05:18 PM
HERE'S how big ur stinkin zune is compared to an iPod: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/sizemodo-zune-vs-ipod-212722.php
and why would you say the zune is any sturdier than an iPod... isn't it made of plastic anyway?

N. Abstentia
03-15-2007, 06:17 PM
Errrrr....eeeyeah. Thanks for that link, it just proved what I said to be right. Zune = 4.4 inches, iPod = 4.1 inches. So mine is indeed bigger than yours. It's pretty dang impressive that they packed in wireless, a bigger screen, better sound quality, longer battery life, and better file support all in a package only .000004 inches bigger than an iPod. Thanks for that info!


Next?

emorphien
03-15-2007, 06:39 PM
HERE'S how big ur stinkin zune is compared to an iPod: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/sizemodo-zune-vs-ipod-212722.php
and why would you say the zune is any sturdier than an iPod... isn't it made of plastic anyway?
All of a sudden plastic isn't sturdy? That argument is ill informed and old. It's about the design of the device more than the material. Apple made the powerbooks out of titanium at one point and those were among the most frail laptops I've ever dealt with. Dell has made many laptops out of plastic and some just fall apart while others were quite rugged. Thinkpads are made out of metal & plastic and are pretty much universally more rugged than an Apple laptop or any Dell. In fact the iBooks (don't know about the new Macbooks) were more rugged in my experience than the powerbooks were. The plastic cases withstood more shock and abuse.

audio_dude
03-16-2007, 07:55 AM
no no no, i'm just making a point...

but who cares about the wireless?? what can you do? send some DRM dead song over to someone else... great.

And where are you pulling these claims of better sound quality and longer battery life out of??

oh and N. Abstentia, that extra .3 inches was so microsoft could PUT that bigger screen in.
And WHAT better file support... it doesn't even support microsoft's own "Play's for Sure" format... how bad is that? oh, and it doesn't support WMA lossless too.
The iPod supports a perfect amount of file formats, even without FLAC

N. Abstentia
03-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Okay, so what have we determined here...let's see..according to audio_dude, an elitest jerk, (even though his only speakers appear to be $149 entry level Paradigm Atoms) the Zune does everything an iPod does except the Zune adds wireless, a bigger screen, WMA support, and it costs less.

So..what are we arguing here?

emorphien
03-16-2007, 11:16 AM
I don't get why so much effort is being wasted to berate the zune (for no reason and using a lot of stupid incorrect factoids). If you really want to brag about how great you think the iPod is, go find an iPod forum and pat yourself on the back there because they probably care!

Dusty Chalk
03-17-2007, 12:04 AM
Uh...last I checked, this isn't a Zune forum, so ... right back at ya.

emorphien
03-17-2007, 07:20 AM
Uh...last I checked, this isn't a Zune forum, so ... right back at ya.
This is a Zune thread which you folks have decided to crash.

audio_dude
03-17-2007, 07:59 AM
meh... Who cares if I have atoms... plus, you DO remember the elitist jerks thread...don't you? yeah...a JOKE

ok, wireless...as of right now, VERY pointless. WMA, who cares?? iTunes can easily convert them to AAC or MP3... (AAC is equal to or better than WMA) and bigger screen means bigger device. I could care less about the screen size... and you do realise that in approx. Q4 of this year, apple is very likely to release a touchscreen like iPod (similar to the iPhone) so suck on THAT


(oh yes, just to let you know, I am currently looking for new speakers, i'm interested in Von Schweikert VR-2's, Magnepan MMG's and if I can find on, maybe some Apogee Centaurs...)



edit: The zune is the SAME price as the iPod... $249 at most places for both...

N. Abstentia
03-17-2007, 12:28 PM
meh... Who cares if I have atoms... plus, you DO remember the elitist jerks thread...don't you? yeah...a JOKE

ok, wireless...as of right now, VERY pointless. WMA, who cares?? iTunes can easily convert them to AAC or MP3... (AAC is equal to or better than WMA) and bigger screen means bigger device. I could care less about the screen size... and you do realise that in approx. Q4 of this year, apple is very likely to release a touchscreen like iPod (similar to the iPhone) so suck on THAT



edit: The zune is the SAME price as the iPod... $249 at most places for both...

LOL! Yeah a touch screen iPod will be great. That should be almost as great as a touchscreen remote control..which sucks to use. I can see every time you stick that touchscreen iPod in your pocket (or in your arse, which you probably would like better) every button getting pushed. Every time you take a step...buttons getting pushed. Should be great. In case you haven't noticed, touchscreens are universally hated.

And FYI, the Zune is $224. Bigger screen than iPod, wireless, costs less. It's just that simple.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855604002

When are you going to realize that every time you say something about the Zune, we're going to prove it wrong. What would you like to say next?

audio_dude
03-17-2007, 07:22 PM
the biggest issue... does it come in an 80gig model? eh? oh, whats this? it doesn't? oh, sorry, too bad.

oh, and theres one thing ur not getting about touchscreen... its called the "HOLD" switch, you use it when you put it in your pocket, almost all iPod owners do it now anyway.

so you're touting that its got a bigger screen...and costs less... great, so those are the only advantages??
What about the music store? Zune marketplace sucks ass, iTunes has over 2 million songs, and it now has TV shows and even movies! beat THAT!

Like i said before, if you like the zune and it works for you, great. But there is an advantage to owning an iPod.

(oh, and another advantage, the iPod still looks damn cool... The zune, well, not so much...)

emorphien
03-17-2007, 07:45 PM
good grief enough with the ipod fanboyism, it doesn't even have a place in this thread

N. Abstentia
03-17-2007, 08:00 PM
I'm going to end this right now:

audio_dude, I spent more money on my Zune than you did for your entire home speaker system. Therefore, nobody cares what you think because you're obviously clueless. Come back when you can hang with the big dogs.

If there WAS an 80 gig Zune...you couldn't afford it.

Dusty Chalk
03-18-2007, 12:46 AM
This is a Zune thread which you folks have decided to crash.You're the one that said 'forum', pedant.

That said, you're right, I'm threadcrapping, and I know I hate it when haters come into my thread with their hating, so I'll stop...

emorphien
03-18-2007, 06:17 AM
You're the one that said 'forum', pedant.

That said, you're right, I'm threadcrapping, and I know I hate it when haters come into my thread with their hating, so I'll stop...
and forum was quite appropriate, I was telling you to go somewhere that wants the kind of crap you're posting. There are plenty of iPod forums which are more appropriate for that than a general audio forum.

noddin0ff
03-18-2007, 07:12 AM
somewhere...brain cells have died an agonizing death.

audio_dude
03-18-2007, 02:01 PM
LOL

N.Abtentia... shut the **** up...
i could really ****ing care less about what you think of my speakers... and your zune did NOT cost more than my stereo...

OK, i said the zune was fine, you like it, GREAT! personally, i like my iPod better, you like the zune, lets just agree to disagree and stop bashing each other over the head because my head hurts.

"Therefore, nobody cares what you think because you're obviously clueless"
This is the most insulting thing I have ever read... why are you judging me based on the fact that I've not got as much money as you? Knowledge is not shown based on the material goods one owns.

oh, and with those active 40's you're just sooooo much better than me. I'd rather be with the mature kids than the "Big Boys" eh?

audio_dude
03-18-2007, 02:22 PM
here are some other peoples view on the topic:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/zune-vs-ipod-the-final-word-on-who-should-get-your-money-215107.php

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/09/ipod_vs_zune.html

Fritz
03-18-2007, 05:28 PM
I realised when I went to college that I would never need the FM radio feature. Through my first few MP3 players, it was a good thing to have, cause I rarely went too far from home. But now, with 30 (or 80) gigs of music, why listen to the radio, where you are more than likely spending half your time listening to commercials. Unless I suppose if you like a certain radio show, but then just use your home stereo to listen in.

Anyway, FYI, I ended up getting the nano ipod and e3g headphones, not because I like ipods or apple better, but because it is....well...nano. Even with a measly 2GB, I can hold most of the music I like.

I'm not trying to bash the Zune, in fact I am interested in seeing how it evolves. Maybe there will be a Zune-nano?:idea:

N. Abstentia
03-18-2007, 05:52 PM
LOL


OK, i said the zune was fine, you like it, GREAT! personally, i like my iPod better, you like the zune, lets just agree to disagree and stop bashing each other over the head because my head hurts.



Now that's better. Apology accepted. You may go now.

Besides, I'm too busy with my Zune! So far I've downloaded over TEN GIGS of music with my Zune pass and it hasn't cost me a cent! They even have the new Rush!!!!

audio_dude
03-18-2007, 05:55 PM
hey, i'm going nowhere, ...

YOU still haven't apologized for insulting me... THATS when i'll leave your Zune thread.

N. Abstentia
03-18-2007, 06:24 PM
Well you said yourself that you had never even SEEN a Zune, so I'm sticking with 'clueless' and I'll add 'ignorant'. This is why everyone is bashing you.

emorphien
03-18-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm not trying to bash the Zune, in fact I am interested in seeing how it evolves. Maybe there will be a Zune-nano?:idea:
I think MS has hinted at more Zune products (i've seen rumors of small flash players and phones, not to mention an 80gb version of the current model).

Personally I have found iRiver to provide more for the money, including features and sound quality. 3.5 years ago when I got my iHP-120 it had the iPod easily beat in features and sound quality and in fact it still has some features the current players can't touch when it comes to music playback.

When I was shopping for a flash player I wound up with a 4gb Clix because it's relatively software free, small and can play videos competently. I've never fallen for the iPod hype, instead I just compare features, build reliability and price. IMO there are players worth more than the iPod in terms of features and performance but they won't sell for more because the public is so blinded by the iPod. Not that the iPod is bad, I just don't personally think it's the best but there's nobody more defensive than an iPod user it seems.

audio_dude
03-19-2007, 01:35 PM
uhh, N.Abstentia... i've SEEN zune's, just never USED one, so i can't comment on the user experience.

But i've used the Zune marketplace software at a friends house, and the music selection, while ecclectic, isn't really that great.


edit: did you even get my point about why you should apologize? you insulted me by saying i'm an idiot who's opinion doesn't matter simply because my stereo doesn't meet your "requirements" in the price range...

audio_dude
03-19-2007, 01:49 PM
N.Abstentia, 10gigs with the zune pass, great! if your happy with that payment model, its perfect! personally, i'd rather buy the CD, but for that price, its really not a bad option...

you love the zune, great! i love my iPod, great!
we're both happy, just say sorry for insulting me and you guys can go all you want about your zune

N. Abstentia
03-19-2007, 06:21 PM
we're both happy, just say sorry for insulting me and you guys can go all you want about your zune

Eh, we're just breaking your balls.

Now go get your f*cking shinebox.

audio_dude
03-20-2007, 03:19 PM
one sec, i'll one up you and get my poor-boy getup on too.

i'm not leaving this thread alone 'till i get an apology

emorphien
03-20-2007, 04:39 PM
one sec, i'll one up you and get my poor-boy getup on too.

i'm not leaving this thread alone 'till i get an apology
good grief

audio_dude
03-21-2007, 02:45 PM
...and played with the zune for a while...

actually, its pretty decent. screen is pretty nice, menu's are alright, things were pretty much in the right place.

I don't really like the d-pad though, i dunno, theres just so many other innovative control methods out there... just seems archaic. but it does its job.

it IS a little bigger and heavier, but it feel comfortable in the hand, and the plastic finish is pretty good.


While i'm still an iPod fan, i think the zune has got my vote for the microsoft lovers and/or ipod haters looking for an alternative.

N. Abstentia
03-22-2007, 04:59 PM
It's amazing what one can find out when one opens up one's mind.

audio_dude
03-22-2007, 06:53 PM
It's amazing what one can find out when one opens up one's mind.


hmm... i'm trying to decide to take that as insulting sarcasm, or a very insightful statement...

in the interest of wanting to pummel you in the face, i'll take the first option...


just apologize, it makes it easier for both of us (your part being both of your eyes match...)

N. Abstentia
03-23-2007, 03:31 AM
in the interest of wanting to pummel you in the face, i'll take the first option...



Like I'm worried about getting pummeled by a 14 year old canuck AOL'er with Paradigm Atoms. Go play some hockey, you hoser.

GMichael
03-23-2007, 10:36 AM
How did I miss this thread?

Someone quick! BEER ME!
Who's got the popcorn?

GMichael
03-23-2007, 12:46 PM
Munch munch munch...

WTF! What happened to all the action?

Munch munch....................

N. Abstentia
03-23-2007, 01:47 PM
Hey GMichael!

I guess you've figured it out by now, but audio_dude is the new SpankingVanillaIce!

audio_dude
03-24-2007, 08:19 AM
Hey GMichael!

I guess you've figured it out by now, but audio_dude is the new SpankingVanillaIce!


nah, at least I reply to the thread...

oh, and i LOVE hockey, eh?

yeah, but would you like to get pummeled by a 14 year old who bench presses 200??
Thought so.

yeah, go ahead and discuss ur zune, i'm outta here. have fun!:5:



(edit: here, have this 2-4 of 'canadian, beer's on me!)

N. Abstentia
03-24-2007, 10:39 AM
Benching 200 pounds is good for a 14 year old actually. 200 was as good as I could do when I was 14 also. Keep at it though, you'll get better.

You reminded me of a funny story! I know a guy that benches 350 pounds (once!). Huge guy. Solid. You should have heard him cry when I put a kimura on him :)

audio_dude
03-24-2007, 01:07 PM
haha, nice one! yeah, I'm still workin it up. My dad does 300, and he's got a friend who does 415.

My goal (like my dad's friend) is to one day get to 500 :lol:

nightflier
03-26-2007, 12:36 PM
Yeah, and my daddy's bigger than your daddy. Can we grow up, now?

Bottom line is Zune's got some good points, but for many people it also has some limitations that they are not willing to live with. In any case, it's not a given that it beats the iPod on all counts. Does that pretty much cover it, or do we need to go find someone who can bench press 416 lbs.?

GMichael
03-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Yeah, and my daddy's bigger than your daddy. Can we grow up, now?



I've already grown old. Do I have to grow up too? That rotts dude.

audio_dude
03-26-2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah, and my daddy's bigger than your daddy. Can we grow up, now?

Bottom line is Zune's got some good points, but for many people it also has some limitations that they are not willing to live with. In any case, it's not a given that it beats the iPod on all counts. Does that pretty much cover it, or do we need to go find someone who can bench press 416 lbs.?


yeah, i've grown kinda sick of being an punk-ass teen now, can i go back to being the audio geek now?

Fritz
04-20-2007, 12:54 PM
for now!

N. Abstentia
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
Sorry, I've been too busy filling my Zune with music...because it's only $15 for unlimited downloads!! Gotta love that Zune!