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PeruvianSkies
01-24-2007, 11:59 PM
Yet again Scorsese is up for Best Director this year as the Oscars...question as always is...will he win? His rivals....

CLINT EASTWOOD (Letters from Iwo Jima)
Certainly a good rival and War films are hard contenders for best picture, but it's hard to say whether this is a film worthy of a directing Oscar, especially against Scorsese.

STEPHEN FREARS (The Queen)
Doubtful that Frears can pull off a win over Eastwood and Scorsese, although this is probably his best film directing-wise.

PAUL GREENGRASS(United 93)
Nothing overly special in the directing of this particular film, despite how well it was done, but nothing Oscar-worthy in my opinion.

ALEJANDRO GONZALEZ INARRITU (Babel)
I was not a huge fan of 21 GRAMS and don't think that this film can compete with any of the films above, let alone the directing.

So can Scorsese pull this off? This is a long overdue Oscar and it's sad that he could finally win for one of his weaker films...where was his Oscar for Goodfellas? Oh, ask Kevin Costner. How about Taxi Driver? Raging Bull? Kundun? the list goes on.......

SlumpBuster
01-25-2007, 09:15 AM
Scorsese doesn't deserve to win. Greengrass does. Based solely on direction of the performances.

I would actually argue that the very reason you cite, "nothing overly special" is precisely the reason Greengrass should win. A lessor director would have screwed that picture up. Other directors did screw it up, the made for TV version (Flight 93?) and Stone's World Trade Center were everything they shouldn't have been. So many other directors would have used the opportunity of United 93 to "showcase" their own talent or pet ideas. Greengrass's dedication to that project is exemplified by the support of the families. With lesser directors like Stone, you end up with Maggie Gyllenhall saying stupid things while promoting the movie. Yeah, yeah, he can't be responsible for her statements, but don't cast loose cannons on such a movie.

Scorsese was directing a remake and so poorly directed Jack Nicholson that Jack ends up waving a purple dildo around. Sure, not alot of directors can direct Jack, but you're certainly not entitled to an Oscar after completely abdicating any attempt. I would cite Reiner's direction in A Few Good Men as how you can coax a performance from Jack.

I would give it to Greengrass, Frears and Eastwood, in that order. I admittednly haven't seen Babel.

Troy
01-25-2007, 10:20 AM
History shows that it doesn't matter which film or performance is better when it comes to winning Oscar®. Crash? Titanic? Kramer vs Kramer? Gimme a break.

I'd be totally shocked to not see Marty win this year, even tho I keep reading "The Departed" is the worst film he was ever nominated for. I hope to see it soon.

Then again, remember Lauren Bacall from a couple years ago . . . Nah, all the more reason why Marty will win.

It was a terrible year for movies. And once again, the best film of the year, the one that will be remembered 10 years from now, "Childern of Men" got no major nods.

recoveryone
02-16-2007, 09:31 AM
I didn't want to start a new thread about this director, but I did view the DVD last night. Not bad as a film, but talk about six degrees of separation or less in this film. I can say that is not uncommon in Boston area or even a New York. People from the same hoods will connect at some point and time. The one hole I felt was that they never reach into Wahlberg history. And also the time lapse of Dicaprio time undercover. It may have served well to have a montage of events other than the few that he did with Mr. French. The ending was inline with Goodfellas... made no sense.

Troy
02-16-2007, 02:02 PM
I don't get the bad press "The Departed" is getting. It's the best thing he's done since "Casino" 13 years ago.

Marty's only crime is that he makes it look too easy.

Brainstorm
02-23-2007, 08:57 AM
I rented The Departed last week, looked good sound fair and I highly doubt poor ole Marty's :17: got a chance of winning what has eluded him many times now, but there are surprises who knows what’s inside that envelope?

icarus
02-23-2007, 09:14 AM
I personally didn't see united 93, so I can't judge on that one, but i did see the others, and personally I think eastwood deserves it, or freers, but I pray that ALEJANDRO doesn't win, since Babel was one of the most boring movies I've seen in a while.

The Tahitijack
02-25-2007, 01:33 PM
Marty is good but this year others are better. I'm starting to see that while he has a remarkable body of work, he is getting to his so called "expiration date" and from that point he'll just be nominated again and again and never win.

PeruvianSkies
02-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Finally and well deserved! Finally. Told ya'll.

jvc
02-25-2007, 09:57 PM
He should have gotten an Oscar, but definately not for The Departed! Me, and everyone I've talked to (in person) hated it! It just plain sucked............

After I watched it, I gave it to my stepfather to watch. The next day, when I saw him, he says, "I have some questions about that movie." I said, "There's no need to ask me, cause I can't tell you. I didn't like it at all." My uncle came in, and my stepfather asked him how he liked the movie? My uncle said, "it was the sorriest movie I've seen in a long time! It's the worst movie I've EVER seen Jack Nicholson in! I expected it to be much better, with all those big stars in it."

I've asked a couple of friends. They hated it. I've asked complete strangers, in Hollywood Video, what they thought. They hated it! I just don't understand how it got the Oscar! This really bothers me!

I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. Especially being a new member, but..............!!! :(

PeruvianSkies
02-26-2007, 01:11 AM
Oh here we go....

People whine and complain when the man get's snubbed again and again and then when he finally DOES win, he get's bashed for winning with a film that wasn't his greatest or perhaps even better than the others nominated. Let's just say the man finally got his due.

Dusty Chalk
02-26-2007, 04:51 AM
jvc -- I actually disagree, I thought it was a great film.

kexodusc
02-26-2007, 05:58 AM
I'm with Dusty on this one, I loved The Departed. One of the best, and most surprising I've seen in years. Very little hype about it before it was released. I haven't met anyone until this thread that didn't like it. Well deserving of the award.

Troy
02-26-2007, 08:49 AM
Yep. A deserving winner.

I don't know what to tell you JVC . . .

ForeverAutumn
02-26-2007, 04:37 PM
I really liked The Departed, until the end. The ending just didn't make sense to me. After the movie, we went out for dinner where we discussed possible alternative endings. All better than the original one.

jvc
02-26-2007, 06:01 PM
One of the reasons I didn't like it, is that DeCrapio just is not a tough guy. No matter how hard he tries. I hated Gangs Of New York, for the same reason. DeCrapio needs to stick with movies like Titanic.............

PeruvianSkies
02-26-2007, 07:31 PM
Sounds like someone needs to move on from their hatred of DiCaprio, who has (in my eyes) redeemed himself and has worked on 3 films with Scorsese, all of which were better than standard fare. I try not to let an actor ruin a film for me and look past my issues with them and respect the film for what it is. I am not a huge Tom Cruise fan, but I still love MAGNOLIA, EYES WIDE SHUT, THE COLOR OF MONEY, and THE LAST SAMURAI.

JSE
02-26-2007, 07:58 PM
Saw it this last weekend. It was ok. Not great, but OK.

I don't think people are complaining that Scorsese got an Oscar but rather that of all the movies he has directed and did not win, he got it for this one?

Dusty Chalk
02-26-2007, 09:10 PM
See, I thought the ending was perfect -- everything neatly tied up, yet not "Hollywood". Don't get me wrong -- I could see why people hated it; I have hated similar films for similar reasons. But for some reason, it just hit me as "right" for this movie.

And Leo was perfect -- from the first moment on screen he just reeked of that "angry young man" that we hear so much about. I completely forgot about that lousy boat movie, whatever it's called...I agree with PS about this -- people need to get over this stigma they have with him, Scorsese wrought a serious performance out of him.

jvc
02-26-2007, 09:54 PM
I don't think people are complaining that Scorsese got an Oscar but rather that of all the movies he has directed and did not win, he got it for this one?
You are exactly right, JSE! Scorsese definitely has deserved an Oscar, in the past.........

Let me explain something.
My three criteria, for a movie being good, are:
1) It must be entertaining
2) It must sound good
3) It must look good
Right now, everything looks good on my 36" JVC. This won't be such a major factor, until I get a bigger tv. I can see now, there will be movies y'all will like, that I'll hate, and vice versa. Mainly because of #1. This is one of those times. This movie was not entertaining! Period. I don't try to read a lot into the story lines, unless it's a true story (like mentioned earlier - discussing alternate endings). I had people talking junk to me, because they hated "Crank", with Jason Stratham, and I really enjoyed it! They thought the story was stupid and unrealistic. IT'S A MOVIE! The sole purpose of it, is to entertain you! They were so worried about the story, they missed a very entertaining movie! The story was very original, which isn't seen much now days. The sound wasn't bad either.

To get back on track..............this movie didn't entertain me. To me, if the movie entertains me, it did it's job. I couldn't care less about the story line, in most movies. I don't watch them for the story. If the story is also good, that's a bonus, and will make it even better. A lot of people seem to only watch a movie, for the story. If the story is your main reason for watching it, save your money. A lot of movies are based on books. Go to the library, and get the book and read it.
Now you know what I look for in a movie...........

PeruvianSkies
02-26-2007, 10:43 PM
So what determines if a movie looks or sounds good? Older movies do not have near the sonics that newer films do, especially when they are not restored or need more work. Does that mean if CASABLANCA for example has picture or sound issues that it's not a good film anymore?

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 06:08 AM
One of the reasons I didn't like it, is that DeCrapio just is not a tough guy. No matter how hard he tries. I hated Gangs Of New York, for the same reason. DeCrapio needs to stick with movies like Titanic.............

DiCaprio was fantastic in The Basketball Diaries. And let's not forget What's Eating Gilbert Grape and This Boy's Life.

Unfortunately, people remember him best for the smultz that was Titanic and, as a result, they underrate him.

But hey, if you don't like him...you don't like him. I won't try to convince you otherwise.

jvc
02-27-2007, 07:58 AM
So what determines if a movie looks or sounds good?

I determine if a movie looks and sounds good. In your house, you probably determine if a movie looks and sounds good?
The old movies, made in the 30's and 40's, don't even enter into this. They were mono soundtracks, so they're only going to sound a certain way. That can't be helped. Those are "Classics", when you talk about Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, The Thin Man, etc. I liked Casablanca, even though Bogey isn't one of my favorite actors either. I've seen it 3-4 times, and don't care to see it again. The Departed will never be considered a "Classic", even 100 yrs. from now.

Believe it or not, I think DeCrapio did ok in "The Aviator". He did that part very well. He even did a fair job in "The Man In The Iron Mask". I never saw those other movies mentioned, that he was in. I know he can do ok, when given the right part, but I still don't like some of what he's done, that I've seen. Again, he's just not a tough guy.

Aren't there actors that you don't care for? Hasn't there ever been an actor that you think, "I don't think I'd like him in real life"? (I don't count. I'm not an actor) Just something about them, that doesn't sit well with you?

A lot of things enter the mix of liking movies and/or actors. I hate George Clooney's politics, but one of my all time favorite movies is "O Brother, where art thou?". Then he turned around and did that piece of crap "Syriana" I don't care for John Travolta's religion, but he's done some very good movies! I don't like that Steven Seagal beat his wife (Kelly LeBrock), but I have every movie he's ever made (I think). I also have both his cds (he has a blues band. He plays lead guitar and sings). See what I mean?

recoveryone
02-27-2007, 01:40 PM
[quote=Dusty Chalk]See, I thought the ending was perfect -- everything neatly tied up, yet not "Hollywood". Don't get me wrong -- I could see why people hated it; I have hated similar films for similar reasons. But for some reason, it just hit me as "right" for this movie.

I don't know on that one Dusty, Walburg capping Matt at the end was a bit of a stretch for me. It would have been better if the girl friend would have capped him. At least she had some real interest in doing it. Walburg role needed a bit more depth (background/history) he jumps in on Leo like he knows him from the hood and the same with Matt. The way it ended leaves one to think, was he in with Jack also? or did he just loose it because Matt was given control of the ops. I enjoyed the film so don't but me in the haterater group.

PeruvianSkies
02-27-2007, 01:45 PM
I determine if a movie looks and sounds good. In your house, you probably determine if a movie looks and sounds good?
The old movies, made in the 30's and 40's, don't even enter into this. They were mono soundtracks, so they're only going to sound a certain way. That can't be helped. Those are "Classics", when you talk about Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, The Thin Man, etc. I liked Casablanca, even though Bogey isn't one of my favorite actors either. I've seen it 3-4 times, and don't care to see it again. The Departed will never be considered a "Classic", even 100 yrs. from now.

Believe it or not, I think DeCrapio did ok in "The Aviator". He did that part very well. He even did a fair job in "The Man In The Iron Mask". I never saw those other movies mentioned, that he was in. I know he can do ok, when given the right part, but I still don't like some of what he's done, that I've seen. Again, he's just not a tough guy.

Aren't there actors that you don't care for? Hasn't there ever been an actor that you think, "I don't think I'd like him in real life"? (I don't count. I'm not an actor) Just something about them, that doesn't sit well with you?

A lot of things enter the mix of liking movies and/or actors. I hate George Clooney's politics, but one of my all time favorite movies is "O Brother, where art thou?". Then he turned around and did that piece of crap "Syriana" I don't care for John Travolta's religion, but he's done some very good movies! I don't like that Steven Seagal beat his wife (Kelly LeBrock), but I have every movie he's ever made (I think). I also have both his cds (he has a blues band. He plays lead guitar and sings). See what I mean?

I don't think I would admit I owned every Steven Seagal movie ever made. But based on that comment alone, I can now see and understand why you didn't like THE DEPARTED.

Kam
02-27-2007, 01:46 PM
i always got the impression that wahlburg figured out that damon was the rat and since it was damon's fault that wahlburg's mentor (sheen) was tossed off the roof, then he got his own street justice by taking out damon.

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 02:20 PM
And what was in the envelope that DiCaprio gave Damon's girlfriend? I mean really... What was the point of that whole scene?

jvc
02-27-2007, 03:36 PM
I don't think I would admit I owned every Steven Seagal movie ever made. But based on that comment alone, I can now see and understand why you didn't like THE DEPARTED.
Wonder how I knew you'd have something to say about that? :)

Troy
02-27-2007, 03:45 PM
And what was in the envelope that DiCaprio gave Damon's girlfriend? I mean really... What was the point of that whole scene?

It was a tell-all note. Don't forget, she was a cop too. I took it to mean she went to Wahlberg who then took revenge out on Damon for Sheen.

I thought it was operatic as hell. Great movie, you hater-guys all take how hard it is to make a movie like this for granted.

Dusty Chalk
02-27-2007, 07:03 PM
It was a tell-all note.Yeah, I figured it was just the same thing he sent directly to Sullivan, a back-up copy. Only he wasn't ready to approach Sullivan with it yet.

And Troy -- good analogy, opera. It was very opera-like, the ending was.

SlumpBuster
02-27-2007, 08:19 PM
I don't like that Steven Seagal beat his wife (Kelly LeBrock), but I have every movie he's ever made (I think). I also have both his cds (he has a blues band. He plays lead guitar and sings). See what I mean?


WTF!! You're goofing, right?!

jvc
02-27-2007, 08:50 PM
WTF!! You're goofing, right?!
Goofing about what?

Yes, he beat his wife.
Yes, I have all his movies
and yes, he has a blues band, and two cds.His latest cd is Mojo Priest. His band's name is Thunderbox.
See his site for info here: http://www.stevenseagal.com/


"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." -- Herb Tarlek
Actually, I think it was Mr. Carlson (Bossman) :)

PeruvianSkies
02-27-2007, 09:19 PM
Goofing about what?

Yes, he beat his wife.
Yes, I have all his movies
and yes, he has a blues band, and two cds.His latest cd is Mojo Priest. His band's name is Thunderbox.
See his site for info here: http://www.stevenseagal.com/


Actually, I think it was Mr. Carlson (Bossman) :)


Are you his butler or something?

jvc
02-27-2007, 10:11 PM
Are you his butler or something?
Are you Scorsese's?

Troy
02-27-2007, 10:21 PM
Yes but does Steven Segal have any pets, and do you know THEIR names?

HA! And you call yourself a FAN!

PeruvianSkies
02-27-2007, 10:21 PM
Are you Scorsese's?

I think that just about anyone would much rather be Scorsese's butler than Seagal, especially since Scorsese is a far more reputable name in cinema. Plus, I only provided basic information about Scorsese and his films, rather than talk about private aspects of his life, his website, admit to owning all of his films, and it's not my fault that you are in love with him.

PeruvianSkies
02-27-2007, 10:45 PM
In 1974 Martin Scorsese made the film ALICE DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE.
Steven Seagal's version would be called KELLY LEBROCK DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE.

In 1976 Scorsese made a groundbreaking film called TAXI DRIVER.
If Steven Seagal makes one more bomb of a film he will be driving taxi's.

In 1980 Scorsese made one of the greatest films ever made called RAGING BULL.
When Kelly Lebrock called the cops for being beaten by Seagal she likened Seagal to that of a raging bull.

Scorsese made a few films in the 1980's, a few comedies, one called AFTER HOURS and another called THE KING OF COMEDY.
Seagal has also made a few comedies, mostly every movie he made from 1985-2007.

Scorsese is single handedly re-invented the gangster genre with MEAN STREETS, GOODFELLAS, and CASINO.
Seagal single handedly destroyed the Martial Arts genre with his pathetic ponytail and lame one-liners.

Scorsese directed the music video "BAD".
Seagal made many movies also called "BAD".

Scorsese made a film called BRINGING OUT THE DEAD.
Listening to Seagal's band is often called "WAKING THE DEAD".

Scorsese has never won an Oscar for best actor.
Seagal has never won an Oscar for best actor.

Scorsese has devoted much of his life to film preservation.
Seagal has devoted his life to film desecration.

Scorsese taught Oliver Stone and Spike Lee at NYU.
Seagal thinks he taught the Japanese how to fight.

Scorsese has been an Oscar nominee numerous times as well as Golden Globes and has pages worth of awards and achievements.
Seagal has a few Razzies.

jvc
02-28-2007, 06:31 AM
LOL! You're grasping at straws, trying to make me look silly, because I like Seagal's movies! You're just making yourself look ridiculous and immature.
Maybe Gallagher will hire you as one of his writers.

Not everybody likes the same movies! Don't get all bent out of shape, because I didn't like The Departed, and because I do like Seagal movies! Just move on and enjoy whatever movies you enjoy..............

Gerald Cooperberg
03-03-2007, 10:50 PM
Wow, I just rewatched The Departed on DVD tonight and y'all might have to put me in the hater camp. Call me a snob or a philistine, whichever you prefer-- I've had worse. Upon seeing this in the theater, my first impression was that this was a good effort from Scorsese that didn't quite work for me for various reasons, but on second viewing it seems positively sunk by those flaws. Damon and especially DiCaprio keep things electric when they're onscreen, but man, Nicholson is in full-on ham mode and Vera Farmiga is just cringe-worthy. I can't understand how William Monahan stole the Oscar for this, either-- just about every idea that doesn't involve colorful language and ethnic humor was already present in Infernal Affairs. And say what you will about Scorsese's direction-- the man's a master, one of my favorites of all time, no question-- but this movie is an hour too long and the editing in the setup sequences just stinks. [entering rant mode] And can somebody tell me why "Gimme Shelter" and the Dropkick Murphys' "I'm Shipping Up to Boston" are both in this twice? [/rant]

This certainly wasn't the worst movie of 2006, but for my money it's no masterpiece. And can I ask honestly-- how many of you who are singing its praises have seen Infernal Affairs?

-Coop

Dusty Chalk
03-04-2007, 08:51 PM
Full disclosure mode: I have not yet seen Infernal Affairs, but it's on the near-term list.

Worf101
03-05-2007, 04:32 AM
Worf pulls up seat and munches popcorn with real butter. Refills cup of blood wine and chortles as StarFleet pukes argue over movies. He's stunned to see a pony-tailed, butter ball squinting in the corner of the room.... Segal?

Da Worfster

Kam
03-05-2007, 07:36 AM
Full disclosure mode: I have not yet seen Infernal Affairs, but it's on the near-term list.

i saw it last year and did a review on it here! i loved it and still enjoyed the departed. the only thing that got me about the oscars, is while i can see adapting a book to a script being worthy of an oscar, but adapting a script in chinese to a script in english.... actually was going to rent them both and watch side by side since it had been a while since i saw infernal affairs and really compare 'em. :)

JSE
03-05-2007, 02:29 PM
Worf pulls up seat and munches popcorn with real butter. Refills cup of blood wine and chortles as StarFleet pukes argue over movies. He's stunned to see a pony-tailed, butter ball squinting in the corner of the room.... Segal?

Da Worfster


What? A fight? JSE raises up out of his hung-over state. Aw shucks! Flamed out before it ever got going good. :sleep:

For the record, I will shamefully admit to liking Segal movies. Bad acting, bad plots, bad everything, but good ol' butt kicking is good ol' butt kicking and I like it!


Pass the butter Worf!

JSEeeeeeeeeee! :ihih:

PeruvianSkies
03-05-2007, 09:00 PM
Wow, I just rewatched The Departed on DVD tonight and y'all might have to put me in the hater camp. Call me a snob or a philistine, whichever you prefer-- I've had worse. Upon seeing this in the theater, my first impression was that this was a good effort from Scorsese that didn't quite work for me for various reasons, but on second viewing it seems positively sunk by those flaws. Damon and especially DiCaprio keep things electric when they're onscreen, but man, Nicholson is in full-on ham mode and Vera Farmiga is just cringe-worthy. I can't understand how William Monahan stole the Oscar for this, either-- just about every idea that doesn't involve colorful language and ethnic humor was already present in Infernal Affairs. And say what you will about Scorsese's direction-- the man's a master, one of my favorites of all time, no question-- but this movie is an hour too long and the editing in the setup sequences just stinks. [entering rant mode] And can somebody tell me why "Gimme Shelter" and the Dropkick Murphys' "I'm Shipping Up to Boston" are both in this twice? [/rant]

This certainly wasn't the worst movie of 2006, but for my money it's no masterpiece. And can I ask honestly-- how many of you who are singing its praises have seen Infernal Affairs?

-Coop


There is no doubt that Martin Scorsese uses the ROLLING STONES in his films more than he does Robert DeNiro. Not only that, he has used GIMME SHELTER a few times, which is sorta become a trademark. Although it certainly can be annoying at times, it's his signature I suppose.

Worf101
03-06-2007, 05:51 AM
What? A fight? JSE raises up out of his hung-over state. Aw shucks! Flamed out before it ever got going good. :sleep:

For the record, I will shamefully admit to liking Segal movies. Bad acting, bad plots, bad everything, but good ol' butt kicking is good ol' butt kicking and I like it!


Pass the butter Worf!

JSEeeeeeeeeee! :ihih:
Put some pants on man... it's distractin' . LOL as for Steven 'the Squinter" Segal, pheh there's worse out there than him, though not much. Hey mindless fun is mindless fun. Sometime a movie is just a movie!

I watched "The Departed" last night. I was underwhelmed, totally. I like "Gangs of New York" much more and I feel that this is about the weakest Scorcese film I've ever seen. Jack was miscast and way over the top, the plot was pedestrian and obvious except for one twist at the end. The only thing I liked about the film, believe it or not, was DiCaprio's performance.

I was stunned. I loved it. It was great. I didn't know he had it in him. Jack could take some lesson's from the kid on how to underplay a role just right. Best Picture??? Pheh.... "Little Miss Sunshine" was almost Wellsian in stature compared to that underwhelming turd. Hell I can make a movie where'n everybody get's shot in the head. Damn. He got an Oscar for that?

Da Worfster

Woochifer
03-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Worf pulls up seat and munches popcorn with real butter. Refills cup of blood wine and chortles as StarFleet pukes argue over movies. He's stunned to see a pony-tailed, butter ball squinting in the corner of the room.... Segal?

Da Worfster

:lol: Classic blast, Worf! Good enough to prod JSE outta hibernation and get back into the playground wit us AR cretins. :5: