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Kam
02-22-2007, 11:40 AM
As any casual observer can tell you, us Losties are a info seeking bunch. I would have a hard time beliving that the tattos on Jack haven't either been digitally altered, or cosmetically changed for the show in order for the message of the last show to be verified.

How stupid would that be if it turns out the tattos say something completly different than the now assumed message. I seriously doubt the writers would allow that to happen.

His permanent tattos wouldn't have to be changed. Nowadays, simply manipulate the shot dititally.

i thought i read in one of the many articles ive read, that the creators left in his original tattoos and were going to incorporate them into the story. i'm just wondering if "eagle high up, cleaving the space" can also mean, "you are among us but not one of us" as the chinese alphabet is far more interpretive than the english one or at least more so than a simple "bare" and "bear" change.
although i guess they could just go in and morph the tats for any closeups they needed. i'll surf the other lost sites and see what i find!
:)

ForeverAutumn
02-22-2007, 12:14 PM
Last night's episode was kinda ho hum. But they can't all be as riveting as last week. The commercials kept saying that three answers would be revealed. But what were they? The only one that was obvious to me was that The Others live on the same island as the Losties and not on the second island. So what? Which island they live on wasn't really a burning question in my mind.

We see Cindy and a couple of the kids. Was that supposed to be an answer? How about answering the question...WHERE THE HELL HAVE THEY BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS?????

Was number three, the origins or the meaning of Jack's tattoo? Another, who cares.

And what was the big deal about Juliet being "marked". When the sheriff read that execution was off the table but that Juliet would be "marked", the response from everyone was like that was an even worse fate than execution. Why?

And was it just me, or was that Sheriff more than a little creepy with her deep monotone voice. She talked like a zombie (if zombie's could talk).

Also, when Jack pulled up his sleeve, right after getting his tattoo, I thought that he only had the ring of chinese letters on his arm. He didn't yet have all the other stuff above it. So there's more tattooing that must have followed that initial tattoo.

And the Thai praying mantis said something along the lines that Jack was "a leader, a great man. But that will make you lonely". There was a little more but that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Kam
02-22-2007, 12:54 PM
i thought she also said:

"you are a great leader, and that will make you lonely, and frightened, and (something else?)"

and then he said... good/fine... mark me with it. (to that effect)

he's defn had some more work done, maybe jack was in prison with mike tyson since they both have mao tattoos. THAT'D be a sweet-out-of-left-field connection!

Resident Loser
02-22-2007, 01:06 PM
....as number three, the origins or the meaning of Jack's tattoo? Another, who cares.

And what was the big deal about Juliet being "marked". When the sheriff read that execution was off the table but that Juliet would be "marked", the response from everyone was like that was an even worse fate than execution. Why?

...I guess if the translation of Jack's tattoo is "he walks among us but is not one of us" is accurate, Juliet's "mark" may mean essentially the same thing making them, to some degree, kindred spirits...both to be shunned in certain quarters...

jimHJJ(...maybe when the rapture and the saucers come, yada-yada-yada...)

GMichael
02-22-2007, 01:11 PM
...I guess if the translation of Jack's tattoo is "he walks among us but is not one of us" is accurate, Juliet's "mark" may mean essentially the same thing making them, to some degree, kindred spirits...both to be shunned in certain quarters...

jimHJJ(...maybe when the rapture and the saucers come, yada-yada-yada...)

Like in Species were she was looking for a mate. Marked means unacceptable?

kexodusc
02-23-2007, 05:46 AM
Hmmm, I really liked this week's episode. And I loved the "That's what it says but not what it means, bit"...as if that isn't a prelude to something.

Really, a good follow up to last weeks cool epidsode.

"You guys have backyards? Well ain't that quaint..." Priceless.

On Jack's tattoos...this is tv - keyfabe and all that - no need to digitally alter - if they say it means something, it means something. Does anyone seriously believe Ben Affleck can kick ass in real life like his movies? You accept it...The audience is supposed to buy-into stories and help them along. I always find the movies that pay too much attention to the finer details loose sight of the big picture.

Groundbeef
02-23-2007, 06:46 AM
On Jack's tattoos...this is tv - keyfabe and all that - no need to digitally alter - if they say it means something, it means something. Does anyone seriously believe Ben Affleck can kick ass in real life like his movies? You accept it...The audience is supposed to buy-into stories and help them along. I always find the movies that pay too much attention to the finer details loose sight of the big picture.

No, the point is that the Lost crowd is pretty fanatical. If for example, Jacks Tattoo in Chinese said "I like to smooch with pigs", and they tried to pass it off with "He is amound us, but not one of us" then I would be willing to bet it would be picked up on.

Nothing is left to chance on this show...thats all. If his real life tattoos fit in, and they can write around them, so be it. But if they needed to, it wouldn't be that hard to alter them to fit the story.

In this show though, it IS the small details that make up the big picture. Without all the connections that seem incongruent on the surface, but are all tied together with a chance encounter, or whatnot. Thats what makes this show so cool.

For example, on Slegewebs site, they have a picture of some artwork that was being painted in a bit parts apartment in SEASON ONE. And now it shows up in season 3. No real attention being paid to it, but it's consistant with the attention to the small detail.

ForeverAutumn
02-23-2007, 07:15 AM
For example, on Slegewebs site, they have a picture of some artwork that was being painted in a bit parts apartment in SEASON ONE. And now it shows up in season 3. No real attention being paid to it, but it's consistant with the attention to the small detail.

Now I have to go check out Slegeweb's site again. Thanks!

kexodusc
02-23-2007, 02:11 PM
In this show though, it IS the small details that make up the big picture. Without all the connections that seem incongruent on the surface, but are all tied together with a chance encounter, or whatnot. Thats what makes this show so cool.



Can't disagree with what your saying here about the detail making the show work well. Except sometimes a tattoo is just a tattoo. We'll accept weird monsters on an island the world doesn't know about, but bending the truth of the meaning of foreign language tattoos to suit a purpose is not allowed? All I'm saying is they can choose to not alter the tattoo and the scene is just as effective.

The proof of this is in fact that if I had no internet access and Kam didnt' post the true meaning of the actor's tattoo, I wouldn't have a clue what the tattoo really said or meant beyond what the show told me...and most Lost fans I know aren't nearly as fanatic about it as I am, so unless they speak whatever language it was, they probably don't care either? And for those that do look to the web or whatever to double check the tattoos, well, if they double check every detail on the show like that expecting to find something, well, most of the time they'll come back with nothing anyway despite the large number of situations where there was a subtle message planted. No loss there.

Not every little detail is intentional. Though I will admit, it would have been cool if they DID alter the tatts intentionally to play with our minds :D

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 12:23 PM
So now the writers are making us ask questions before the episodes even air.

Tomorrow's episode is called Tricia Tanaka Is Dead.

Who the hell is Tricia Tanaka? :confused5:

GMichael
02-27-2007, 12:42 PM
So now the writers are making us ask questions before the episodes even air.

Tomorrow's episode is called Tricia Tanaka Is Dead.

Who the hell is Tricia Tanaka? :confused5:

OK, I did a search on Google for Tricia Tanaka. Here's a hint: Results 1 - 10 of about 233,000 for Tricia Tanaka. (0.13 seconds):confused5:

Edit: Sung Hi Lee is Tricia Tanaka.

Kam
02-27-2007, 01:38 PM
looks like it's gonna be a hurley centric episode with more flashbacks with libby too.

GMichael
02-27-2007, 01:48 PM
Tricia Tanaka is Libby's real name?????

Kam
02-27-2007, 02:10 PM
Tricia Tanaka is Libby's real name?????

or is the name of libby's imaginary friend who was friend's with hurley's imaginary friend.

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 02:11 PM
Tricia Tanaka is Libby's real name?????

No. Libby told Desmond that her husband's boat was named Elizabeth...after her.

GMichael
02-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Just one of the many theories I found out on Google. Only 200,000 more sites left for me to try.

GMichael
02-27-2007, 02:19 PM
199,999 sites left now. Hey Kam, do I see another Mrs Kam on the way?

Kam
02-27-2007, 02:21 PM
199,999 sites left now. Hey Kam, do I see another Mrs Kam on the way?

hmmm... wed is a long way from sunday... eva and jess werent too welcoming of alicia, so she hasn't made the final mrs. kam cut... but... lil miss tricia tanaka here has potential...

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 02:22 PM
Holy crap! Even I think she's beautiful. And I don't usually dig chicks. :ihih:

GMichael
02-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Holy crap! Even I think she's beautiful. And I don't usually dig chicks. :ihih:

Usually?:ihih:

Anyways, she's played by Sung Hi Lee who is like a soft porn queen.
No, I didn't know that before I started on Google, so stop that.

ForeverAutumn
02-27-2007, 03:39 PM
Usually?:ihih:

Anyways, she's played by Sung Hi Lee who is like a soft porn queen.
No, I didn't know that before I started on Google, so stop that.

Do I see a trip to the video store in your future? :nono:

kexodusc
02-28-2007, 05:58 AM
Suddenly the Lost thread takes a very interesting turn....
GM, can I borrow some of your movies?

GMichael
02-28-2007, 06:07 AM
I'm going to have to check out Scinamax. Maybe a little search on her name will do the trick. But not tonight. My TV has plans already.

GMichael
02-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Is it show time yet?

JSE
02-28-2007, 02:12 PM
Is it show time yet?


Good GAWD! :prrr:

GMichael
02-28-2007, 02:15 PM
Good GAWD! :prrr:

She looks a lot like my Ex. I'll have to make sure that wifey doesn't watch this episode with me. I wouldn't get any for a week!

PeruvianSkies
02-28-2007, 02:26 PM
This is one of the longest running threads on here, right?

GMichael
02-28-2007, 02:40 PM
This is one of the longest running threads on here, right?

Lost again was a long thread also. But I think the longest I remember seeing is Bernd's "What's spinnin" thread.

ForeverAutumn
02-28-2007, 02:46 PM
Lost again was a long thread also. But I think the longest I remember seeing is Bernd's "What's spinnin" thread.

You have to combine the two Lost threads for a fair comparison. We made a group decision to start a new thread for each season.

GMichael
02-28-2007, 02:51 PM
You have to combine the two Lost threads for a fair comparison. We made a group decision to start a new thread for each season.

Very true. I remember the vote. Was there ever a season 1 thread? I don't recall one.

ForeverAutumn
02-28-2007, 02:57 PM
No, actually, there wasn't. The S2 thread started by accident. Kam posted a question about a missed episode (I think) and things just snowballed from there.

But while we're on this topic, let me just say that having this thread and being able to discuss the show with all of you has made the show that much more enjoyable for me. None of my friends watch Lost (I need new friends!), so coming here on Thursdays is my little water cooler.

GMichael
02-28-2007, 02:58 PM
Season 2: 624 replies & 9270 views
Season 3: 279 and 3131 (& growing)
Total for Lost: 903 & 12,401

Bernd's Spinnin': 1030 & 21,571 (also growing)

Worf101
02-28-2007, 08:42 PM
Good GAWD! :prrr:
Nice pics.. Good buddy episode. but more filler. Cheech Marin? Jeeze Louise who's next David Hasselhoff?

Da Worfster

kexodusc
03-01-2007, 04:50 AM
who's next David Hasselhoff?

Da Worfster
Fess up, you'd like that wouldn't you? I bet you got on one of them Hoff-brand "wife-beaters", tucked into your button-fly 501's, underneath your synthetic black leather bomber now,don't ya? Don't Hassle the Hoff, worfster :lol:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3382491587979249836

(seeing Worf glancing back and forth at the water cooler, kex heads hastily for the exit)

ForeverAutumn
03-01-2007, 05:12 AM
Not much of an episode for information, but a nice little break from the intensity I thought. A good story to bring the beach back into focus and renew a sense of hope and humanity for Hurley, Charlie, and Sawyer who had all fallen into quite a funk.

How many of you were cheering for the van to hit the rock? C'mon now...be honest.

Worf101
03-01-2007, 07:15 AM
Fess up, you'd like that wouldn't you? I bet you got on one of them Hoff-brand "wife-beaters", tucked into your button-fly 501's, underneath your synthetic black leather bomber now,don't ya? Don't Hassle the Hoff, worfster :lol:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3382491587979249836

(seeing Worf glancing back and forth at the water cooler, kex heads hastily for the exit)
I cannot see... I've been "blinded by the Hoff". Ahh, sigh, I've NO ONE to blame but myself for that sickening display of "teutonic twaddle". Hassle The Hoff? I'd rather drink Drano... LOL God, he can't really take himself seriously can he??? I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or cry.

Da Worfster

PS. It's a good thing you ran and I was rendered temporarily blind or you woulda got a dunking.

:ciappa:

Worf101
03-01-2007, 07:20 AM
Not much of an episode for information, but a nice little break from the intensity I thought. A good story to bring the beach back into focus and renew a sense of hope and humanity for Hurley, Charlie, and Sawyer who had all fallen into quite a funk.

How many of you were cheering for the van to hit the rock? C'mon now...be honest.
I cannot root for inanimate objects. Well that's not always true. I do root for the Iceberg to get DiCrappio every... single... time!!!! It was a fun episode but definately "filler".

Da Worfster

Groundbeef
03-01-2007, 08:22 AM
So the question that needs to be answered is, DID Hurley break the "curse" or not? And if he did, has Charlie somehow cheated certain death?

And did anyone else half expect when the 4 of them were in the van all smiles for it to explode in spectacular fashion?

All in all, it was a nice change of pace from the usual doom and gloom, but I think this is just the calm before the proverbial storm.

In next weeks preview it appears that the creepy 1 eyed man from the Dharma Video Room makes an appearance. Should be interesting.

topspeed
03-01-2007, 10:03 AM
This was a nice break from the normal insanity for me. I haven't laughed that many times during a Lost episode since I don't know when! Sawyer has the best lines. Who didn't laugh when he was teaching english to Jin and pointed at Hurley and said "International House of Pancakes?" Lordy, just typing it puts a smile on my face :D. How 'bout when Hurley's mom tells Hurley "I have needs" and he puts his hands over his ears and starts screaming. He's such a likeable character, you can't help but feel sorry for all the nutty things that have happened to him.

Not to many questions raised, although we're now left to ponder the relationship between the French woman and Ben. Why did Ben steal her and then raise her as his own? What made her so special?

BTW, nice find on Tanaka there, GM. We can always count on you for a little eye candy.

Kam
03-01-2007, 10:48 AM
classic exchange...
sawyer calls hurley jumbotron.
hurley: 'shut up you..... red neck.... man....'
sawyer: 'touche'

can't wait to see the one-eyed dude defending whatever dharma station he's in now for next week.

ForeverAutumn
03-01-2007, 12:20 PM
classic exchange...
sawyer calls hurley jumbotron.
hurley: 'shut up you..... red neck.... man....'
sawyer: 'touche'


I just like it when Sawyer smiles. Ohhhhhh, those dimples. :ihih:

Is it hot in here? whoo.

Kam
03-07-2007, 11:58 AM
we get to see who the one eyed man is! and if that was his glass eye in the tailies station they found and what will locke do that's gonna suck things up again? poor guy, he thinks he has the answers and then gets a royal smackdown by the island.

Worf101
03-08-2007, 04:27 AM
Quickly turning Locke into the resident 'tard of the group. Jeeze Louise, he's SO ADDICTED to Puter Chess that he allows the guy to escape from his restraint's. He keys in the selfdestruct code, he finds a way to screw the pooch day in and day out. This "Sad Sack" Routine is gettin' kinda old. I thought the Sawyer Vs. Hurley table tennis match was funny and cute though, coulda used more of it.

How long before Red Shirt Brunet boy gets his ass whacked? Taking bets on who kills him, probably Sawyer. How many more "others" can they whack before they start running out of bodies? Hell why am I even writing this.. slow day at work.

Da Worfster

kexodusc
03-08-2007, 04:37 AM
Wow, that one was pretty good. So now they got a map to the real Othersville. Or Hostile City whatever.
Looks like we're finally building up some momentum and heading towards getting some answers.
Man, that Sayid can kick some ass too. Bullet in the arm or not.

So, now 2 stations on the island are totally nuked. I'm guessing the Losties blow'em all up by the time the season's over to put an end to all the experiments and stuff. Not before we find out what's going on though.

The lady who the Russian shot. That was that Mmme Clu lady, right?

ForeverAutumn
03-08-2007, 05:56 AM
The lady who the Russian shot. That was that Mmme Clu lady, right?

Yep, that was Ms. Clu eating dirt. So, does anyone speak Russian? I'd like to know what their full conversation was.

And now we have a new set of numbers...the numbers that the Dharma guy from the chess game gave to Locke. Press 53 to speak to Customer Service. Press 77 to blow things up real good. But do they have any significance?

Was the farm the power station for Othersville? Will they now have to live as primatively as the Losties. I would think that if that was their power source, they would have had it better secured than just one guy. Geez, there were dozens of them keeping Jack and Locke from getting to Michael, in the Jungle. You'd think that they'd have a few extra bodies protecting their communications building. I think it was a decoy.

One thing is clear, there have been at least two other groups of people on our island. The Dharma folks and The Hostiles. It would appear now that Benry and his gang are not Dharma. And according to the Russian dude...they were there a long time before Dharma. That explains Benry's comment about never having been off the island.

So, if I think this through as I'm typing it...we've been led to believe, or maybe we've just assumed that Benry et al were part of Dharma and at one time, had been conducting experiments in the various stations. But now it would seem like that's not the case. It now appears as though the The Hostiles attacked The Dharmas and took over their stations.

It makes sense now why Benry (as Fake Henry) didn't seem to know about the button.

So...who are these Hostiles? How long have they been on the island? Why are they there? Was Karl's Clockwork Orange experience an experiment or a punishment? Are they scientists? Or sick bastards?

What the hell is going on??????

Kam
03-08-2007, 07:36 AM
ok, did a lil digging and here's the russian letter that locke picked up:

.. lost in his land, and they must
... if necessary, through complete social
(break)
...
... pushed away Andrey (underlined, see first red note). Nadji was not
... resistance, however he was an excellent
... a cousin of influential
... one of the northwestern
... ...cialist helping
(break, paper scrolls down)
.. radicals of that time...
...believed that they held up the West...
...road to Allah, so he could erase infidels from the face of the Earth...
... Andrey thought, that the fall of Afghanistan will become an impulse ...
... of revolution
... came today", Nadji reported with a strong accent...
... Russian language.
... ICI (some Russian acronym) will be included in this. And you...
... Andrey ...
Source: Thanks to Lostpedia for the translations


And the conversation between Ms. Clu and OneEYE


Woman: Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Woman: We cannot risk. You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Woman: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: We have another way.
Woman: They know us. We will ot let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots)
Source: Lostpedia

kexodusc
03-08-2007, 07:40 AM
ok, did a lil digging and here's the russian letter that locke picked up:

.. lost in his land, and they must
... if necessary, through complete social
(break)
...
... pushed away Andrey (underlined, see first red note). Nadji was not
... resistance, however he was an excellent
... a cousin of influential
... one of the northwestern
... ...cialist helping
(break, paper scrolls down)
.. radicals of that time...
...believed that they held up the West...
...road to Allah, so he could erase infidels from the face of the Earth...
... Andrey thought, that the fall of Afghanistan will become an impulse ...
... of revolution
... came today", Nadji reported with a strong accent...
... Russian language.
... ICI (some Russian acronym) will be included in this. And you...
... Andrey ...
Source: Thanks to Lostpedia for the translations


And the conversation between Ms. Clu and OneEYE


Woman: Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Woman: We cannot risk. You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Woman: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: We have another way.
Woman: They know us. We will ot let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots)
Source: Lostpedia

Pfff...I coulda told ya that....

ForeverAutumn
03-08-2007, 07:48 AM
Um... There's a Lostpedia?

I didn't know that.

I'll have to check it out later.

GMichael
03-08-2007, 07:58 AM
Um... There's a Lostpedia?

I didn't know that.

I'll have to check it out later.

Yup,
And we thought we were sick.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Kam
03-08-2007, 08:15 AM
Yup,
And we thought we were sick.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

it's always a comfort to know no matter how obsessed you are, there is someone out there who makes you seem normal. :)

GMichael
03-12-2007, 12:19 PM
Who is this lady?

ForeverAutumn
03-12-2007, 12:33 PM
The face looks like Kate to me. Where'd the picture come from?

GMichael
03-12-2007, 12:43 PM
It's from a local radio station's website. The caption reads, "Evangeline Lilly tried her hand at surfing over the weekend and the "Lost" star nearly lost her bikini bottom in the process."

Kam
03-12-2007, 12:53 PM
It's from a local radio shation's website. The caption reads, "Evangeline Lilly tried her hand at surfing over the weekend and the "Lost" star nearly lost her bikini bottom in the process."

hmmmm certainly looks like her. :)

horrible caption though, that's the best they could come up with!? although i'd prolly come up with something far cheesier.

GMichael
03-12-2007, 12:55 PM
Cute butt

ForeverAutumn
03-12-2007, 03:52 PM
Papparazzi are a$$holes. Give the girl some privacy. Geez. :rolleyes:

Dusty Chalk
03-12-2007, 04:43 PM
I don't normally click on this thread (I really don't) for fear of spoilers, but I accidentally clicked on it today. What a lucky break for me -- no spoilers!

Oh, and: thanks!

I mean, paparazzi are doodooheads. I would much prefer the airbrushed, staged, posed revealing pictures of her than the candid, natural pictures one gets from paparazzi. No, really.

ForeverAutumn
03-12-2007, 05:34 PM
I don't normally click on this thread (I really don't) for fear of spoilers, but I accidentally clicked on it today. What a lucky break for me -- no spoilers!


Does that mean that you watch Lost Dusty? 'Cause if you do, we'd love for you to join in the discussions. I'll bet that you've got some great theories of your own to share.

Dusty Chalk
03-12-2007, 06:41 PM
Naw, it was an accident. I usually click on every thread except this one and "now spinning", and I just wasn't watching.

Worf101
03-13-2007, 03:38 AM
"That would be.... impossible. I require a Klingon mate. Human women are to fragile."

Of course freckles may be the exception to the rule. :lol:

Right now I don't know who I'd want to fight more, Freckles, Scarlett Johansen, or that Dusky sword weilding mamma from Rome, Zuleikha Robinson. I know she's about as treacherous as an adder but damn if she don't sling it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Worf101/Zuleikha_Robinson_5.jpg

Da Worfster

kexodusc
03-13-2007, 04:18 AM
"That would be.... impossible. I require a Klingon mate. Human women are to fragile."

Of course freckles may be the exception to the rule. :lol:

Right now I don't know who I'd want to fight more, Freckles, Scarlett Johansen, or that Dusky sword weilding mamma from Rome, Zuleikha Robinson. I know she's about as treacherous as an adder but damn if she don't sling it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/Worf101/Zuleikha_Robinson_5.jpg

Da Worfster

Oooh...Gaia...One badass slave-lady...
(sigh)Rome....my other self-destructive TV vice...

GMichael
03-14-2007, 01:14 PM
Isn't it Wednesday today? Where are all the posts from you insane fans frothing at the mouth? Nobody has anything to say? No predictions? Nothing?

Kam
03-14-2007, 01:21 PM
Isn't it Wednesday today? Where are all the posts from you insane fans frothing at the mouth? Nobody has anything to say? No predictions? Nothing?

My prediction?
Yes, your prediction.
Pain.

GMichael
03-14-2007, 01:44 PM
My prediction?
Yes, your prediction.
Pain.

Oh poo. :ciappa:

ForeverAutumn
03-14-2007, 05:18 PM
It's 9:15 and I've already seen tonight's episode! But I'll hold off on my comments until you muggles have had a chance to see it too...just in case you're reading this post before it airs on ABC at 10:00. :p

ForeverAutumn
03-15-2007, 05:44 AM
Aw c'mon. Nobody's posted yet?

Well, we have confirmation that Claire and Jack are half brother and sister now. But here's what really bugs me. Claire still doesn't know Daddy's name?! Are you kidding me? At no point did did he say, "oh, by the way, my name is Christian Sheppard. Nice to meet you Claire". He told her that her mother didn't like that he had another family, but he never told her that she had a half brother in the States? Nope. I just don't believe that it would happen that way. Even if she didn't ask questions, he would be volunteering information to try to make her feel more connected.

Could my theory about Jack and The Others be right? He was looking pretty comfortable playing football. Is he just biding his time to find a way out, or is he going to want to stay there? I still think that he's going to be torn between his loyalties to the Losties and wanting to live a more civilized life with The Others...and the promise from Benry that he can go home. I also think that Kate is somehow going to screw the whole thing up for him.

And what's the deal with Locke? First he blows up the farm. Now he kills the Russian dude. It's almost bordering on Traitor behavour if you ask me. It's like he's trying to do things to sabotage whatever Sayid says.

Worf101
03-15-2007, 07:31 AM
Which counts for less than nuffin....

Locke used to be associated with the others, They cost him his legs. They know all about his butt. He's on a vendetta to crush his former comrades.

Da Worfster

Kam
03-15-2007, 07:49 AM
Which counts for less than nuffin....

Locke used to be associated with the others, They cost him his legs. They know all about his butt. He's on a vendetta to crush his former comrades.

Da Worfster

ooooo i like that!! a lot. i was thinking that maybe locke doesn't want to get off the island, because on the island, he's the great hunter, but back home, he's just in a wheelchair.

was One-Eye about to say "but you john locke, i know about you, and that you are a p...." before frenchie interrupted him, "you are a parapalegic."?
we know ethan was in america at some point prior to being on the island, and so there's prolly tons of Others as well on america.... ok.. just had a thought... (thinking as writing, dangerous i know).

We have dharma people in america/the world/etc. and influencing events to make things go the way they "should" ala desmond and that old lady in the ring shop.

We have Others in america recruiting juliet to the islanda nd perhaps more people as well.

Yet the other's and dharma are definitly NOT working together on the island, and in fact, so far from what we know, the Others got there first? they can get off the island but choose not to. the others are the "hostiles" according to our sometimes one-armed/sometimes two-armed video taped scientest dude. So BOTH dharma and the Others want that island for themselves, or at least part of it, and are bringing people there to do... what?

i always figured lock never wants to get off the island because once off of it, he's back in a wheelchair. but why he'd want to sabotage everyone elses chances for getting off... maybe he does want revenge against the Others/Dharma/both.

hmmmm...... interrrrresting.....

kexodusc
03-15-2007, 07:50 AM
Which counts for less than nuffin....

Locke used to be associated with the others, They cost him his legs. They know all about his butt. He's on a vendetta to crush his former comrades.

Da Worfster

Hmmm, very interesting...Locke's holding out something. Though he seems to be on a mission to destroy every station thingy that he can....

GMichael
03-15-2007, 08:01 AM
ooooo i like that!! a lot. i was thinking that maybe locke doesn't want to get off the island, because on the island, he's the great hunter, but back home, he's just in a wheelchair.

was One-Eye about to say "but you john locke, i know about you, and that you are a p...." before frenchie interrupted him, "you are a parapalegic."?
we know ethan was in america at some point prior to being on the island, and so there's prolly tons of Others as well on america.... ok.. just had a thought... (thinking as writing, dangerous i know).

We have dharma people in america/the world/etc. and influencing events to make things go the way they "should" ala desmond and that old lady in the ring shop.

We have Others in america recruiting juliet to the islanda nd perhaps more people as well.

Yet the other's and dharma are definitly NOT working together on the island, and in fact, so far from what we know, the Others got there first? they can get off the island but choose not to. the others are the "hostiles" according to our sometimes one-armed/sometimes two-armed video taped scientest dude. So BOTH dharma and the Others want that island for themselves, or at least part of it, and are bringing people there to do... what?

i always figured lock never wants to get off the island because once off of it, he's back in a wheelchair. but why he'd want to sabotage everyone elses chances for getting off... maybe he does want revenge against the Others/Dharma/both.

hmmmm...... interrrrresting.....

Locke is Gilligan?

ForeverAutumn
03-15-2007, 08:31 AM
Hmmm, very interesting...Locke's holding out something. Though he seems to be on a mission to destroy every station thingy that he can....

What if Locke is a member of Dharma and his mission is to destroy the evidence without arousing suspicion. That would explain why he was so intent on taking ownership of the button (waiting for the right time to destroy the hatch). And then why he was so intent on NOT pushing the button (timing was right, with Jack, Kate and Hurley out of his way).

Benry seemed to know him. Remember his comment (as Henry) that his mission was to take John with him? And now One-Eye claims to have known him.

The other hatches that they found, didn't seem to have very much significance. So there was no need to destroy them right away, and besides it would have had people asking questions if he destroyed everything. But the Swan and the Farm (was it the Pearl? I forget) were both significant in that they had active computers which might have given people access to the outside world if they had figured out how to make contact.

We know that Locke was in a wheelchair, but we still don't know how he got there. What if it's all a sham. What if he never really needed that wheelchair at all. Maybe he was just trying to throw off the trail. Hence One-eye's comment about "the John Locke that I knew was p...(aralyzed?)". (Good call on that Kam, I hadn't really thought about what he was about to say).

I think that our Mr. Locke is not who he appears to be. After reading your posts and thinking about this some more I'm even more convinced that Locke has a hidden agenda and knows more than he's letting on.

Kam
03-15-2007, 08:57 AM
I think that our Mr. Locke is not who he appears to be. After reading your posts and thinking about this some more I'm even more convinced that Locke has a hidden agenda and knows more than he's letting on.

yeah, at first glance (which is never the case) locke seems to be a rube that always gets taken down by those who outsmart him (the backstory about the weed farm and all) as well as now the destruction of the station by pressing 77. he may come across as an idiot who just made a mistake trying to be great... but i think you're right, he knows a LOT more about things and does what he wants.

blowing the first hatch with hurley screaming at him not to.
NOT pressing the button with desmond/eko screaming at him to do so.

maybe the Others have a big file on the last known dharma member alive.... Locke?

kexodusc
03-15-2007, 09:43 AM
yeah, at first glance (which is never the case) locke seems to be a rube that always gets taken down by those who outsmart him (the backstory about the weed farm and all) as well as now the destruction of the station by pressing 77. he may come across as an idiot who just made a mistake trying to be great... but i think you're right, he knows a LOT more about things and does what he wants.

blowing the first hatch with hurley screaming at him not to.
NOT pressing the button with desmond/eko screaming at him to do so.

maybe the Others have a big file on the last known dharma member alive.... Locke?

This is an interesting little theory we're throwing together...

The other theory I have on Locke came from One Eye's comment last night - I think he called Locke "angry". Locke thought he had a purpose, that faith brought him to the island. He got really into the karma thing with the hatch. Then when the computer/numbers thing (so we are led to believe) turned out to be a joke, he got really anger. Then he channeled that anger into destroying the hatch, blowing up the radio tower thingy, and going after The Others. I think he's on a vengeance crusade now. He's no Dharma guy. But he might be the most tortured soul, of all here.

Here's my prediction - Locke's dad is the head Others guy..it's coming full circle. Locke's purpose is to destroy whatever evil presence is on that island. That's what he's meant to do.

The little insight into Claire has continued the trend. These characters all have something in common - they've "Lost" something, the island seems to give them something back.

Claire - her mom
Sayid - his girl (loses Shannon too)
Jack - wife
Sawyer - Clementine
Kate - family/husband?
Locke - dad/lady friend (Boone later on)
Hurley - happiness? (though he also lost Libby)
Sun and Jin - Each other (and themselves)
Desmond - his lady friend
Charlie - his brother
Anna Lucia - ugh..her job?
Eko - his brother
Michael - Walt (by the way, where the heck are they?)

etc, etc..You can add in for yourself what the island has given them back...maybe for some we haven't got that far yet...

A more sorry sack of souls couldn't have found their way on the same plane by coincidence (Desmond notwithstanding)...it definitely looks like personal tragedy is prerequisite for membership to this island resort.

Oh, and when they had Benry captured in the hatch, didn't Ben say something about Locke being "special" somehow?

topspeed
03-15-2007, 03:38 PM
Did I miss something or did they never say who was the father of Clair's baby? That has to tie into the plot somehow. Whatever, her being Jack's half-sister was almost comical to me. Now, I'm expecting Benry to tell Jack, "Christian never told you the truth about your mother, Jack.{hoooo haaaa} I AM YOUR MOTHER! {hoooo haaa} There's was this sex change..."

I think a lot of anwers...followed by even more questions...are going to be revealed about Locke next week. Of all the Losties, he seems to be the most, er...lost. So far, he's been the only one outside of Desmond to time travel (remember when Boone was pushing him around in his wheelchair?). He is only one to have been grabbed by the island and survived. There is some connection between him and the island that the other survivors just don't have.

Should be good episode next week! Can't wait.

BTW, am I the only one that misses the cool web stuff they used to do? Remember that Dharma website that had the log-in trick where it took you to a page with a screaming monkey and a hand written note? I really thought stuff like that added to the enjoyment of the show. It was more interactive.

Worf101
03-16-2007, 04:21 AM
If the Island "cures" ills, like the ole black ladies cancer and Lockes legs, why was Benry dyin? Or is it just "pre-existing" conditions? Or is it just in "Losties" and not others? Sigh, I'm all confused. Locke pushed the Russian into the fence cause he knew too much about him and was definately about to "spill da beans".

Da Worfster

ForeverAutumn
03-16-2007, 05:37 AM
Did I miss something or did they never say who was the father of Clair's baby? That has to tie into the plot somehow. Whatever, her being Jack's half-sister was almost comical to me. Now, I'm expecting Benry to tell Jack, "Christian never told you the truth about your mother, Jack.{hoooo haaaa} I AM YOUR MOTHER! {hoooo haaa} There's was this sex change..."


There was an episode with Claire's back story that showed the baby's father. He was an artist. Claire got pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. He talked her out of it and told her that they could make things work and be a family. So she agreed to have the baby. Then, when she's like seven months pregnant, the jackass decides that it's all too much responsibility for him and takes off, leaving Claire alone and pregnant (with a baby that she didn't want to keep in the first place). She decides to give the baby up for adoption. She meets the psychic who tells her that SHE must raise her baby. Then he flips flops and tells her that there's a family in LA who she should give the baby too and he buys her the plane ticket for flight 815 and tells her that she MUST take this flight and ONLY this flight. We are left to presume that the psychic knew that 815 would crash and that Claire would survive and be the one to raise her baby (on the island).

As for Claire and Jack being bro and sis. That was something that was speculated about from Season 2, when Christian was in Australia with Anna Lucia and he knocks on an Australian lady's door insisting that he be allowed to see his daughter.


If the Island "cures" ills, like the ole black ladies cancer and Lockes legs, why was Benry dyin? Or is it just "pre-existing" conditions? Or is it just in "Losties" and not others?

I've wondered that myself.

kexodusc
03-16-2007, 06:41 AM
If the Island "cures" ills, like the ole black ladies cancer and Lockes legs, why was Benry dyin? Or is it just "pre-existing" conditions? Or is it just in "Losties" and not others? Sigh, I'm all confused. Locke pushed the Russian into the fence cause he knew too much about him and was definately about to "spill da beans".

Da Worfster




I've wondered that myself.


What are you guys talking about? Thought Ben addressed this a few episodes ago...He had a terminal tumor on his spine, and just before he dies, a plane literally falls out of the sky with a highly skilled spinal surgeon on it. The island did cure Ben.

Kam
03-16-2007, 06:49 AM
What are you guys talking about? Thought Ben addressed this a few episodes ago...He had a terminal tumor on his spine, and just before he dies, a plane literally falls out of the sky with a highly skilled spinal surgeon on it. The island did cure Ben.

"do not confuse coincidence for fate" - eko

but all that's been going on has been pretty freakin' "coincidental"!!

kexodusc
03-16-2007, 07:14 AM
"do not confuse coincidence for fate" - eko

but all that's been going on has been pretty freakin' "coincidental"!!

Coincidence? Everything has been occuring according to His grand design...whoever He is...Methinks it's Locke's dad.

ForeverAutumn
03-16-2007, 07:51 AM
What are you guys talking about? Thought Ben addressed this a few episodes ago...He had a terminal tumor on his spine, and just before he dies, a plane literally falls out of the sky with a highly skilled spinal surgeon on it. The island did cure Ben.

Yeah, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Locke's legs are cured without a doctor. Rose's cancer is cured without a doctor. But Ben's tumor isn't cured without a doctor? In fact, if the island has such great powers, Ben should have never developed the tumor at all.

Maybe because Ben has lived on the island his whole life, he's immune to it's healing powers. :confused5:

Or maybe the island isn't healing Locke and Rose after all. We've just been left to make that assumption. Maybe there's another explanation...like a jolt to Locke's spine, from hitting the ground after the crash, that reversed a condition (since we don't know how he lost the use of his legs in the first place). And maybe Rose is just in natural remission.

Maybe we shouldn't assume so much....

GMichael
03-16-2007, 08:45 AM
Yeah, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Locke's legs are cured without a doctor. Rose's cancer is cured without a doctor. But Ben's tumor isn't cured without a doctor? In fact, if the island has such great powers, Ben should have never developed the tumor at all.

Maybe because Ben has lived on the island his whole life, he's immune to it's healing powers. :confused5:

Or maybe the island isn't healing Locke and Rose after all. We've just been left to make that assumption. Maybe there's another explanation...like a jolt to Locke's spine, from hitting the ground after the crash, that reversed a condition (since we don't know how he lost the use of his legs in the first place). And maybe Rose is just in natural remission.

Maybe we shouldn't assume so much....

Maybe the island only cures bad people.

Worf101
03-20-2007, 07:10 PM
You know how the hatch affected Desmond and seemed to affect Mr. Eko. Perhaps it affected Locke as well. Gave him back memories of his time with the Others OR... gave him fore knowledge of them and events. Perhaps he's using this re-found or just found knowledge to thwart them and their nefarious plans..?

Da Worfster

Worf101
03-20-2007, 07:12 PM
What are you guys talking about? Thought Ben addressed this a few episodes ago...He had a terminal tumor on his spine, and just before he dies, a plane literally falls out of the sky with a highly skilled spinal surgeon on it. The island did cure Ben.
If the Islands so 'curative" he should never have gotten sick in the first place!!!!

Da Worfster

Kam
03-22-2007, 06:00 AM
If the Islands so 'curative" he should never have gotten sick in the first place!!!!

Da Worfster

great dialogue between ben and locke!!! ya nailed this one on the head worfster! interesting that they're bringing back the mystical/magical qualities of the island back. they seem to be moving away from the "science" of the previous episodes and now going back to the mysticism of season 1. interesting... the box that gives all you want.. a lil pandora's box-ish...

topspeed
03-22-2007, 08:43 AM
That may have been the best episode of the season! I knew Locke's back story was going to be cool, but I wasn't expecting that! Still, I'm unsure how I feel about the guy now. I used to really like him, but since the explosion he's been acting a lot differently. Sinking the sub was an act of extreme selfishness. Not only did he sabotage Jack, he also managed to isolate the entire island. In a way, he was more like his dad as he was really only thinking of himself. Now the question is whether or not this will encourage some form of uprising against Ben from his own tribe?

Kam,
I am in complete agreement about the dialogue between Ben and John. "I'm in a wheelchair and you're not." "You seem to have some kind of connection with the island." Ben's been their his whole life, John for only 80 days. Envy? BUT, he (or the island) delivers John's nemesis on a platter at the end! I actually said, "Whoa!" out loud when they did that. There's a very interesting dynamic between these two, but is it friendly or rivalry?

Sooooo...

How did Ben know so much about John? How did he get his father? It seems like we're in this grey area between reality and whatever place this island resides (it sure ain't reality). Sinking the sub was cutting the umbilical cord, so where do we go now?

Groundbeef
03-22-2007, 08:45 AM
This week was very interesting.

I'm still trying to determine the role that Locke is playing. At first with the computer, it seemed that he felt that he needed to push that button to remain relevant, perhaps "important" is a better description.

But then they found the other hatch, and he realized that infact, he really wasn't acomplishing anything, but rather tied to the illusion of importance.

It's been a reflection of his rather bland and uninspired life thus far.

Now on the island, and at least for him, he has been "healed", and is important in his own way. Either by contibuting to the hunt for food, or various 'missions' undertaken, he realizes that he has achived what he has always lacked. Acceptance, and a realization that he doesn't need look any further for satisfaction.

Thus, he has begun to dismantle all modes of contacting the outside world. I don't think that he anticipated the level of distruction of the initial hatch, but certainly has been on track to ruin the rest of the gear on the island.

It is ironic that the 'Leader' of the Others is seemingly unaffected by the Island. I wonder if it is because either he is unsatisfied with his life, or hasn't really achieved personal satisfaction, and is 'LOST'. I think that Benry realizes this, and it was painful for Locke to point it out to him.

The Man from Tallahasse is most certainly Lockes father. I think that Benry had him captured in order to throw Locke out of current state of contentment. This will be the crossroads for Locke, and will determine if he is 'Lost' or 'Found'.

Or I could just be off my rocker. Either way, it was a great episode!

Kam
03-22-2007, 08:56 AM
latest thoughts, ruminations, inane ramblings:

Locke's dad was the con-man that ruined Sawyer's life?

Was that Locke falling outside the window when Hurley went to see his accountant? (my guess here is no, just cuz locke was visiting a residential place, but... who knows)

More mysticism as to the when/where are they with ben's line about the submarine can leave the island, but never return. why not? is that what happenned with walt/michael? did they leave the island to return to Our world and now never be able to return to the Island?

was it from the box that the monster comes from? was it from the box that jack saw his dad? that eko saw his bro? that kate saw the horse? that hurley saw his 'imaginary' friend? didn't he pick up one of imaginary friend's' shoes/slippers in that episode? could the box have made "real" the imaginary friend that hurley had?

ForeverAutumn
03-22-2007, 03:31 PM
Didn't this episode feel like it was written as a response to our discussions last week? We discussed why the island healed Locke and Rose, but not Benry. And we discussed how Locke ended up in a wheelchair and if he was really paralized or if it was just a scam. And both issues were the focus of this week's episode. Wacky!

Locke's father HAS to be the guy who scammed Sawyer's parents. He conned Locke. He admitted to conning the woman that he was marrying. We know he's a con man, and who's better at the long con than our Sawyer himself.

Will Sawyer finally have the opportunity to come face to face with the man who killed his parents? My prediction is that Locke won't have the heart to kill his father and they'll end up back at the beach together. Where Sawyer will eventually figure it all out and will be the one to kill him.

Topspeed commented that "Sinking the sub was an act of extreme selfishness". And it was. But it wasn't Locke's idea. I don't think that Locke knew what he was going to do with the sub once he found it. But then Benry said that "you must have found the explosives...please don't blow up my submarine". And suddenly Locke had a idea. Only it was Benry's idea. Like Alex said...you'll think that it's your idea, but it's his.

Did anyone else notice that Locke opening the submarine hatch and then having the camera look up the hatch at him looking inside, was identical to the scene where Locke blows up the original hatch and then looks down inside? Brilliant.

Now, where have I heard Tallahasee from? Wasn't Sawyer or Kate from there?

And, last thing, I'd like to congratulate myself on an earlier post (too lazy to look for it) where I predicted that the Lostie's would try to rescue Jack and, in the process, screw up his trip home. I nailed that one pretty good.

Kam
03-22-2007, 06:47 PM
Tallahassee

i gotta check the cubit site or the lostepedia, but i thought Tallahassee was one of kate's running points that the marshal had chased her through. trying to remember that car crash that kate got into where her loved one was killed?/left behind and she grabbed the lil airplane and ran... if they ever showed the other car. was it that sedan that locke's dad had? could be he ran to tallahassee and that's his connection to kate, he caused that car wreck that killed her loved one, although it would be a lil odd (yeah, not like a four toed statue or any other oddity) but odd for lost that 1 character linked both to sawyer and kate in that way.

i'm waiting for cap't reynolds to make a reappearance!

ForeverAutumn
03-23-2007, 04:15 AM
Tallahassee

i gotta check the cubit site or the lostepedia, I'm waiting for cap't reynolds to make a reappearance!

Good thinking...from Lostpedia...

Kate was buying a ticket to Tallahassee when apprehended by U.S. Marshal Edward Mars, who describes the city as nothing but "strip malls and Waffle Houses." ("Solitary")

Sawyer implied to Jack that he contracted a communicable disease in Tallahassee ("Let's say something was burnin' and it wasn't from the sunshine."). ("Lockdown")

Kam
03-23-2007, 05:52 AM
Good thinking...from Lostpedia...

Kate was buying a ticket to Tallahassee when apprehended by U.S. Marshal Edward Mars, who describes the city as nothing but "strip malls and Waffle Houses." ("Solitary")

Sawyer implied to Jack that he contracted a communicable disease in Tallahassee ("Let's say something was burnin' and it wasn't from the sunshine."). ("Lockdown")

so we knew sawyer went to australia to hunt down the man that he was told ruined his life and ended up getting duped into killing that guy for a debt, but maybe sawyer, for a time, was on the trail of locke's dad, and that's what had taken him to tallahassee?

i'm curious if locke, in the real world, found out that sawyer was trailing his dad and did his own investigation of him and that's (maybe) how locke knew sawyer is 'james ford.' would be interesting to see an episode where the flashback is sawyer trailing locke's dad, and the 'reveal' at the end, is locke trailing sawyer.

GMichael
03-28-2007, 10:03 AM
What are tonight's predictions? Who's getting whacked next? Is Kate going to be jealous of the new chick in Jack's life? Will Benry ask Locke to kill his father? Will Locke whimp out and forgive dear ol' dad? Will Benry walk again?

Worf101
03-28-2007, 10:12 AM
What are tonight's predictions? Who's getting whacked next? Is Kate going to be jealous of the new chick in Jack's life? Will Benry ask Locke to kill his father? Will Locke whimp out and forgive dear ol' dad? Will Benry walk again?

The dog skip find anymore skeletons?

Will Hurley run out of Dharma Ranch Dressing?

Will Randy Red Shirt back at the beach finally bite it?

Will Jin pop a cap in anyone elses ass?

Wil lWalt and his Dad run into Gilligan or Rod Serling?

For answers to these and other burning questions tune in tomorrow for another episode of "As the Island Turns" on these fine radio stations..

Da Worfster :ciappa:

GMichael
03-28-2007, 10:16 AM
The dog skip find anymore skeletons?

Will Hurley run out of Dharma Ranch Dressing?

Will Randy Red Shirt back at the beach finally bite it?

Will Jin pop a cap in anyone elses ass?

Wil lWalt and his Dad run into Gilligan or Rod Serling?

For answers to these and other burning questions tune in tomorrow for another episode of "As the Island Turns" on these fine radio stations..

Da Worfster :ciappa:

Smarty pants.

Worf101
03-28-2007, 10:18 AM
Smarty pants.
I resemble that remark.... LOL... You started it!!!

Da Worfster

GMichael
03-28-2007, 10:21 AM
I resemble that remark.... LOL... You started it!!!

Da Worfster

OK OK. Maybe I should have just posted, "Bump. Where is everyone?"
But I like to be a smarty pants. Wonder who I learned that from.

Worf101
03-28-2007, 10:27 AM
OK OK. Maybe I should have just posted, "Bump. Where is everyone?"
But I like to be a smarty pants. Wonder who I learned that from.
Is you learned that stuff from dem Juvy delinquents you used to hang around with in Grade School. But I'm just guessin...

Da Worfster

GMichael
03-28-2007, 10:32 AM
Is you learned that stuff from dem Juvy delinquents you used to hang around with in Grade School. But I'm just guessin...

Da Worfster

Oh man, you have me so wrong. In grade school I was the nerd afraid to do anything that might be against the rules. Wouldn't even laugh at another kid's joke for fear I'd get in trouble. If you had met my dad back then you'd understand.

Worf101
03-28-2007, 10:34 AM
Oh man, you have me so wrong. In grade school I was the nerd afraid to do anything that might be against the rules. Wouldn't even laugh at another kid's joke for fear I'd get in trouble. If you had met my dad back then you'd understand.
So who are you now? Buddy Love????? LOL

Da Worfster

GMichael
03-28-2007, 10:45 AM
So who are you now? Buddy Love????? LOL

Da Worfster

Not so much. Buddy was a jerk. I'm still a nice guy, (well, mostly) but a major smart Ars.

kexodusc
03-28-2007, 10:56 AM
WOO HOO....Looks like my 03/16 prediction about Jack's dad wasn't too far off...
Maybe he's the head honcho...
Last week's show was great, can't wait for tonight...

Ha, ha...Randy Red Shirt...

Umm, at the end of last season, wasn't there some high-profile boss lady talking to Russians at the south pole? Whatever happened there?

Kam
03-28-2007, 05:31 PM
i doubt it, but i'm really hoping they off those two "new characters" they introduced at the pearl station. the weird spanish/italian? dude and the blonde chick. they stuck out like sore thumbs in that episode so taking one of them out would be nice.

30 mins to go! woo hoo.

ForeverAutumn
03-28-2007, 06:46 PM
i doubt it, but i'm really hoping they off those two "new characters" they introduced at the pearl station. the weird spanish/italian? dude and the blonde chick. they stuck out like sore thumbs in that episode so taking one of them out would be nice.

30 mins to go! woo hoo.

Ask and you shall receive.

...or will Nikki's hand come plummeting out of the ground a la Carrie (Hmmm, isn't that the book club reading from S3 E1?) at the beginning of next weeks show.

A show of hands please...how many of you thought (and hoped) that it would be Charlie who bites the dust tonight?

Worf101
03-29-2007, 03:33 AM
Two for two... I predicted the death of Randy Red Shirt and voila, he's spider bait. Didn't see them being such cold blooded killers though. All for something useless on that Island. Nice little flashback show though but on the whole, just one 42 minute tease. These guys look like they're running out of ideas... but quick. Preview suggests Cat Fight Frenzy next week... ooh nice.

Whole episode reminded me of Twilight Zone or Alfred Hitchcock Presents. Guess sometimes crime doesn't pay... While we all know that crime pays exceedingly well.

Da Worfster

ForeverAutumn
03-29-2007, 04:19 AM
I agree Worf, not much substance, but very interesting if you paid attention to some of the detail. For example, did you notice that the first people that Nikki came into contact with after the crash are all dead now? Professor Kaboom, Boone, and Ethan.

I also thought that it was kind of neat how Nikki and Paulo found some of the things on the island that had such great importance to the story and just dismissed them, like the airplane in the tree and the Pearl Station. It was of no immediate value to them, so it wasn't worth investigating. And we thought that all that Paulo was doing was going to the bathroom when Locke & company went down into the Pearl. I wonder what other secrets people are keeping that we don't know about. Hmmmmm?

And it's funny how "Paulo lies" sounds so much like "I'm paralized".

Kind of a sinister plot twist, even for Lost.

Where has Rose been all season? I miss her. She'd have some good wisdom and advice for Charlie while he's waiting for his death.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention my favourite line of the night..."I'm just a guest star and we all know what happens to guest stars". As soon as the words left her mouth I said, she's the dead one.

kexodusc
03-29-2007, 04:53 AM
Damn, could it be that last night's episode was planned almost 3 seasons ago? All those flashbacks, were refreshing.

I really enjoyed this episode as a diversion - though I don't know what purpose it served in continuing the plot (other than wrapping up a few loose ends on some otherwise useless extras?). Oh, and maybe giving us a bit of drama at camp now that Sawyer and Charlie were exposed.

Hmmm, wonder who'd win if Sawyer and Jin got in a fight?

Groundbeef
03-29-2007, 04:54 AM
On the surface, it seems that last nights show doesn't really fit, but it was pretty deep.

It sort of forced everyone to re-examine past actions, that perhaps would have been left alone. Charlie & Sawyer confessing to Sun would be the biggest one. How is that going to change the dynamics now?

It was a sort of "Momento" show, and my wife and I LOVED it. It didn't come around and hit you until the very end when she dropped the paralyzing bit on they guy. I about jumped off the couch and said.. They are going to be buried alive! What a moment.

Now, how is the island going to react to 2 restless souls? Is this the last of them? Or will they come back to haunt those that killed them?

Worf101
03-29-2007, 07:12 AM
Now, how is the island going to react to 2 restless souls? Is this the last of them? Or will they come back to haunt those that killed them?
Nobody "killed" them, they killed themselves, or started to when they ran the "Crooklyn Okeydoke" on that OZ director. Why should their souls feel "cheated"? They were buried with their diamonds.

Da Worfster

Kam
03-29-2007, 08:56 AM
Nobody "killed" them, they killed themselves, or started to when they ran the "Crooklyn Okeydoke" on that OZ director. Why should their souls feel "cheated"? They were buried with their diamonds.

Da Worfster

actually, i think the island wanted them dead. did you hear the "monster" clicking noise after she got the diamonds and he 'confessed' to her. i know arnst said that her pheremones brings every mail around, but then it seemed like the island sure wanted it to happen. i think hugo was right in the end, the Monster did it. but they did bring it on themselves.

i'm still trying to figure out why the Monster killed eko.

topspeed
03-29-2007, 08:57 AM
I kept hearing Khan whispering to Kirk "Buried alive. Buried Aliiiiiiiiiiiiive!" when Nikki's eyes popped open at the end. Was it just me?

So...there must be some clause in Kate's contract that states she can be the only hot chick on the island, 'cause they keep killing every other one off! :mad2: Starting any show with a hot girl on a pole is guaranteed rating in my book. I have to agree tho, this episode did nothing to forward the plot. It must have been vacation week during shooting for the regulars. I would like to know if any of you guys that have S1 on dvd can check some of the scenes that Niki was in and see if she really is there in the opening episode. That would be pretty cool actually. The flashbacks to the other dead characters was actually pretty cool. I had forgotten how much of a waste of oxygen Boone's sister was (another dead hottie, btw).

The only thing I pulled from the episode was the island has a way of delivering justice. Last week, Locke's dad shows up out of nowhere. Now Palo and Niki bite it...literally. Now, the question is; what did Charlie do in his past to earn his impending demise?

GMichael
03-29-2007, 09:11 AM
there must be some clause in Kate's contract that states she can be the only hot chick on the island, 'cause they keep killing every other one off!

They should just dress any new hot babes in a red T-shirt.

ForeverAutumn
03-29-2007, 09:22 AM
actually, i think the island wanted them dead. did you hear the "monster" clicking noise after she got the diamonds and he 'confessed' to her.

That was the Monster? I thought that it was the spiders licking their chops. :(

GMichael
03-29-2007, 09:35 AM
That was the Monster? I thought that it was the spiders licking their chops. :(

Yes, it was. And they're after YOU now! Run!....:yikes:

kexodusc
03-29-2007, 10:25 AM
Yes, it was. And they're after YOU now! Run!....:yikes:

Yeah, usually when the monster's out killin' losties there's a loud, fog-horn-ish sound, isn't there? This was more spidery-exosekeletal sounding...
Unless the monster can manifest itself as spiders? How deep is that?

ForeverAutumn
04-04-2007, 09:30 AM
So? Where's the "it's Wednesday, only xx hours to go hype"? And no pre-Lost commentary on the upcoming cat fight? Or speculation on how Kate and Juliet get handcuffed together? I would expect that GMicheal, at the very least, would come up with some sort of sinister and perverted theory. :hand:

You guys are disappointing me. :nonod:

ForeverAutumn
04-04-2007, 09:33 AM
Oh yeah...only 6.5 hours to go!!!

Kam
04-04-2007, 09:40 AM
i don't want to jinx my run of getting a prediction right (even though it technically wasnt a full on prediction). but... i really have no idea what could happen with tonight's episode... just that we've got a month and a half (right?) 6 episodes left? till season's end, so we better start ramping up towards something.

i'd like to have a flash to the 'real' world and either something with michael or penelope. i'm thinking that when we do find out, penelope is the one who will scoop up michael out in the open seas and then try and find the island. but the big reveal will be michael will give her the exact direction they had been coming in and how long/far they travelled, she'll go to that exact spot, only to see nothing there.

Kam
04-04-2007, 09:41 AM
p.s. only 7 hours and 20 mins to go here. tarnation on this 10pm time slot!

ForeverAutumn
04-04-2007, 07:12 PM
It's baaaaa-aaaaack! Can't wait to check Sledgeweb's site tomorrow to see whether there was anything interesting in those white flashes that were blinding Kate and Juliet. And I don't believe Juliet for a minute...we don't know what it is but we know it doesn't like our fences.

So, was Juliet left behind because the Others don't want her anymore, or is she a plant gathering information about the beach. Although, I can't imagine why The Others would need a plant at this point. They seem to know everything anyway.

How long until the people from the beach move into those nice comfy houses? And speaking of those comfy houses...what ever happened to Karl? Didn't Sawyer let him go so that he could go back to Othersville to find his true love, Alex? We heard no word of him back in Othersville.

But most importantly...where did Locke go?!?!?! And where's his Daddy? We need to keep him around so that Sawyer can meet him.

kexodusc
04-05-2007, 04:33 AM
It's baaaaa-aaaaack! Can't wait to check Sledgeweb's site tomorrow to see whether there was anything interesting in those white flashes that were blinding Kate and Juliet. And I don't believe Juliet for a minute...we don't know what it is but we know it doesn't like our fences.

So, was Juliet left behind because the Others don't want her anymore, or is she a plant gathering information about the beach. Although, I can't imagine why The Others would need a plant at this point. They seem to know everything anyway.

How long until the people from the beach move into those nice comfy houses? And speaking of those comfy houses...what ever happened to Karl? Didn't Sawyer let him go so that he could go back to Othersville to find his true love, Alex? We heard no word of him back in Othersville.

But most importantly...where did Locke go?!?!?! And where's his Daddy? We need to keep him around so that Sawyer can meet him.

I really like how Sawyer's sort of softening up to the Losties. Hurley and him have great chemistry, you just can't write that - credit to both actors.
He's really redeeming himself on this island, saving his soul and all that...But he's still bad-ass enough to get all the ladies and be cool...

I don't trust that Juliet. Not only is she a super ninja who kicked kate's pool cue swingin hide, she's just as tricky as Ben...I said to my wife at the start "she's not really out cold and she's planning something". Then she grabs the knife at the right time...
The monster/fence scene was...interesting.
What did I miss there though? She had the cuff key and dragged Kate out there to try and join the camp? I don't think so. The Others are still playing head games with the Losties.

Sayid didn't look too happy about keeping her, did he..

In other news....I'm a Stephen King junkie...Yesterday I read in a fan club e-mail (I know, I know) that Mr. King ( a huge Lost fan himself) has sold the rights to "The Dark Tower" series (a 7-book long series for the unaware) to none other than Mr. Abrams and Mr. Lindelof...This should result in the most wicked awesome thing ever created...
Funny quote:

“I know J.J. Abrams’ work and Damon Lindelof, who is his collaborator on Lost. Damon is just a total comic-book freak, and he loves the Dark Tower books. I trust those guys, and they have a lot on the ball. When they said they wanted to talk about doing this, I said, ‘You know what? Why don’t you buy the option on this and see what you can come up with.’ They asked, ‘How much do you want for an option?’ I said, ‘$19.’ (A key amount that comes up frequently in the books) And that’s what they paid me, and that’s where it is.”
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/02/26/stephen-king-confirms-the-dark-tower-movie/

$19 bucks, huh? Fans of Stephen King will recognize the number that reoccurs in many of his novels. I'm guessing it ends up as one of those HBO type mini-series things like Rome or Dexter.

Kam
04-05-2007, 06:34 AM
I really like how Sawyer's sort of softening up to the Losties. Hurley and him have great chemistry, you just can't write that - credit to both actors.
He's really redeeming himself on this island, saving his soul and all that...But he's still bad-ass enough to get all the ladies and be cool...

I don't trust that Juliet. Not only is she a super ninja who kicked kate's pool cue swingin hide, she's just as tricky as Ben...I said to my wife at the start "she's not really out cold and she's planning something". Then she grabs the knife at the right time...
The monster/fence scene was...interesting.
What did I miss there though? She had the cuff key and dragged Kate out there to try and join the camp? I don't think so. The Others are still playing head games with the Losties.

Sayid didn't look too happy about keeping her, did he..

In other news....I'm a Stephen King junkie...Yesterday I read in a fan club e-mail (I know, I know) that Mr. King ( a huge Lost fan himself) has sold the rights to "The Dark Tower" series (a 7-book long series for the unaware) to none other than Mr. Abrams and Mr. Lindelof...This should result in the most wicked awesome thing ever created...
Funny quote:

“I know J.J. Abrams’ work and Damon Lindelof, who is his collaborator on Lost. Damon is just a total comic-book freak, and he loves the Dark Tower books. I trust those guys, and they have a lot on the ball. When they said they wanted to talk about doing this, I said, ‘You know what? Why don’t you buy the option on this and see what you can come up with.’ They asked, ‘How much do you want for an option?’ I said, ‘$19.’ (A key amount that comes up frequently in the books) And that’s what they paid me, and that’s where it is.”
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/02/26/stephen-king-confirms-the-dark-tower-movie/

$19 bucks, huh? Fans of Stephen King will recognize the number that reoccurs in many of his novels. I'm guessing it ends up as one of those HBO type mini-series things like Rome or Dexter.

stephen king is one of the coolest writers out there and often gives the rights to his short stories to student or independent filmmakers to make films out of for $1.00. I believe that's how Frank Darabont got his start. his first indie short was a stephen king one that he bought from him for $1.00, after which he went on to do Shawshank and Green Mile.

Kam
04-05-2007, 06:39 AM
ok, so when the Other's were all bailing camp, they put on gas masks and had their riot gear ready and took off in a huff. They left behind 4 people. Sayid chained to the swingset, Kate locked in the poolroom, Jack locked in his house, and Juliette who knows where/how.

Why the theatrics? There's something there (duh, obviously) that they were hiding or concealing their real intent for bailing on Othersville not just that the Losties knew its location now.

So i'm with kexo on the julliette-is-not-to-be-trusted deal. Ben just might have given her another "do this for me and i'll get you back to your sister" deal.

And did we know that sawyer's chick was pregnant from before? i didn't remember that lil bit 'o info.

kexodusc
04-05-2007, 06:41 AM
stephen king is one of the coolest writers out there and often gives the rights to his short stories to student or independent filmmakers to make films out of for $1.00. I believe that's how Frank Darabont got his start. his first indie short was a stephen king one that he bought from him for $1.00, after which he went on to do Shawshank and Green Mile.
Yeah, he calls those his dollar babies. There's a select number of short stories that are eligible, and under certain conditions film students can go ahead and use them, provided there's no commercial activity for the film. Oh, and King gets a copy. Pretty generous of him.
Guess he can be a bit nasty though, he tore a strip of Kubrick for some of the mean things he had to say about King way back when he was making The Shining.

I'm just excited about the possibilities here - Abrams and Lindelof are fans, and should do The Dark Tower justice.
Guess there's a Star Trek movie they one's gotta finish first though.

Worf101
04-05-2007, 07:40 AM
ok, so when the Other's were all bailing camp, they put on gas masks and had their riot gear ready and took off in a huff. They left behind 4 people. Sayid chained to the swingset, Kate locked in the poolroom, Jack locked in his house, and Juliette who knows where/how.

Why the theatrics? There's something there (duh, obviously) that they were hiding or concealing their real intent for bailing on Othersville not just that the Losties knew its location now.

So i'm with kexo on the julliette-is-not-to-be-trusted deal. Ben just might have given her another "do this for me and i'll get you back to your sister" deal.

And did we know that sawyer's chick was pregnant from before? i didn't remember that lil bit 'o info.
We knew Sawyer was a daddy before. Remember she visited him in Prison when he was running that scam on that doughboy prisoner? He had his share of the profits sent to her and his kid, anonymously. Women say they want a "good man", when in reality they all want to be owned and rough housed by some semi-bearded desperado like Sawyer... Typical... LOL (don't shoot FA).

Da Worfster

ForeverAutumn
04-05-2007, 08:00 AM
Women say they want a "good man", when in reality they all want to be owned and rough housed by some semi-bearded desperado like Sawyer... Typical... LOL (don't shoot FA).

Da Worfster

No, most of us just want a guy like Sawyer for one anonymous night. :ihih: It's not something that we'd actually want to commit to for the long haul.

Kam
04-05-2007, 08:13 AM
We knew Sawyer was a daddy before. Remember she visited him in Prison when he was running that scam on that doughboy prisoner? He had his share of the profits sent to her and his kid, anonymously. Women say they want a "good man", when in reality they all want to be owned and rough housed by some semi-bearded desperado like Sawyer... Typical... LOL (don't shoot FA).

Da Worfster

that's right! geez it feels so long ago with this abominable "double" season. so now we can place Kate in Idaho on her list of places she's been. Kinda like a where in the world is carmen sandiego deal she definitely seems the most travelled of the group.
and to place kate's flashbacks in the timeline... this happenned after Sawyer's LongCon but before the Prison Con?

ForeverAutumn
04-05-2007, 09:11 AM
It must have been immediately after the Long Con, since Cassidy wasn't visibly pregnant yet.

GMichael
04-11-2007, 06:13 AM
First of all, what is with the smoke and the fence thing? Smoke can't go over it? Give me a freakin' break.
Juliet is not to be trusted. Something doesn't add up with her. She doesn't know anything about the smoke. Oh wait, now she knows that it doesn't like the fence but doesn't know anymore. Yeah right. And I'm Daffy F'n Duck in drag!
Has everyone forgot that Sawyer is a con man? It's his job to seem nice when the time is right. He's still the same person he was when he got there. But what is he really after this time?

Well, at least it's Wednesday. More answers and twice as many new questions to come.
May the predictions begin....

Kam
04-11-2007, 06:42 AM
First of all, what is with the smoke and the fence thing? Smoke can't go over it? Give me a freakin' break.


i was wondering that myself. didn't the trio manage to just walk over the pole section of the fence? so as smart as the Smoke Monster seems to be, wouldn't it know that as well?

so as far as the monster goes... is there just one monster on the island? or are there different ones, or just different manifestations of the same monster. OR... could the monster be what is in that 'box' henry was talking about and there really is a very deep connection between locke and the island, and locke is subconsciously controlling the monster?

GMichael
04-11-2007, 06:51 AM
locke is subconsciously controlling the monster?

Whoa! Now there is some "thinking outside of the box."
Some other sites have suggested that the smoke is a bunch of nano-type electronic bugs with a hive mind. Apparently the writers of the show shot that theory down. So some others have suggested that they are organic bugs of some kind of crazy island type.
But Locke controlling them? Cool idea. He does have a strange bond going on.

kexodusc
04-11-2007, 06:57 AM
Ahem...Walt and Michael? WTF?
I gotta feeling the boy is a critical cog in all this....

Kam
04-11-2007, 07:35 AM
well the walt polar bear connection thing was definitely interesting, and the Others' extreme interest in Walt and all those other questions about michael and walt should (hopefully) be answered in the next two years.

but i was thinking about locke being the only one to face down the monster and live. then we had eko face the monster and live once... but the second time, he died and i was thinking that something changed in eko from those times. his repentance or willing to repent. and i always thought he made the right choice in NOT repenting the second time in talking with his ghost/monster inspired/hallucinaginic brother. which made me wonder what 'right' the monster had to kill him the second time that it didn't have the first time?

so maybe it wasn't eko that changed... but locke. and locke's dynamic with eko.

GMichael
04-11-2007, 11:03 AM
Less than 7 hours to go. Unless you live in the 3rd season of the year. Then it's under 6.

ForeverAutumn
04-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Here's some interesting Smokey shots from Sledgeweb's site...

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=260

ForeverAutumn
04-11-2007, 07:09 PM
Well, it looks like we called that one pretty well. Don't trust Juliet. She's in cahoots with Benry. A plant at the beach. etc. etc. And I realize that I didn't say it here, but I told a collegue that I don't believe that Juliet was even gassed, since we never actually saw any evidence that really happened.

So, Ben's last comment to her..."see you next week". Intriguing.

Wow, what an episode. Lots of answers and not too many new questions. That's a switch! Now we know what Ethan was injecting into Claire. But we still don't know what Desmond was injecting while in the hatch and why. Was it a mix-up? Was he injecting Juliet's pregnancy serum? And why was Rousseau able to give birth to Alex if all of the women on the island lose their babies? Okay, maybe there were fewer answers and more questions raised than I originally thought. :confused5:

It may be a little early for this, but here's how I see the series breakdown so far.
Season One - The plane crash / Mysterious Island
Season Two - The Hatch / Button / Dharma Initiative
Season Three - The Others

So what's the focus of Season Four gonna be? Any predictions?

ForeverAutumn
04-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Hey I just thought of something. Was that mark on tree (where the medical supplies were planted) the same as the mark that was branded onto Juliet's back?

Groundbeef
04-12-2007, 06:23 AM
Wow, what an episode.

I went in convinced that Juliet was bad. Then, all the flashbacks had me thinking, that maybe she wasn't so bad after all. With the others treating her so bad, and Ben manipulating her so much, I thought that perhaps she flipped.

And then the last 2 flashbacks....MAN the writing was tight on this one!

I was like, oh man, awesome twist.

Now we just have to figure out why. At this point, the Others losing many of their advantages. They have lost the ablity to communicate with the outside world, and the sub is destroyed.

I just can't figure out what Juliet is supposed to recon for them. They have weapons, why not just storm the beach and either kill/capture who they want. Well, I suppose if we knew that, the show wouldn't have 5 episodes to go.

Resident Loser
04-12-2007, 07:15 AM
...Juliette is playing both ends...did she take the gas mask or brush it aside? I don't think she is particlarly bothered by Ethan's death, I think we may see more of why in flashbacks...and I don't think she'd be too overcome by Ben's demise...but the results of the "...see you in a week..." remark may answer all or some of these questions...

I still think the whole The Tempest/Forbidden Planet vibe is lurking...exactly who is the Prospero/Morbius in this epic?

jimHJJ(...I really dislike Ben...)

Worf101
04-12-2007, 07:16 AM
Answer some questions for a friggin' change. Gimme a break fer goodness sake. Great episode..

Her: "Oh she had a bad life they're treating her so bad."

Me: "Don't buy it she stinks."

Her: "See she saved her life."

Me: "She's a tulip, a plant, a mole, a spy. Somthing's rotten in the State of Denmark and it ain't Dharma Ranch Dressing.

Her: "Oh shoot you were right all along. How did you know?"

Me: "One grifter can always spot another...."

Her: "Hunh???"

Me: "Never mind dear.... never mind.

Da Worfster

ForeverAutumn
04-12-2007, 07:23 AM
Here's a great article summarizing last night's episode and raising some interesting issues...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html

kexodusc
04-12-2007, 07:38 AM
Here's a great article summarizing last night's episode and raising some interesting issues...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html


I appear to be the only one really bothered by the show's first really stupid plot hole.
If ya can't have baby's on the island, why not, oh, I don't know, have'em off the freakin' island. These guys are obviously loaded with gold and oozing silver, it's not like they couldn't find some other non-mystical island to set aside for procreation.

Let's recap:
Ben: We can't have baby's on this island, what do we do?
Jacob: Well, let's take procreate on some other island
Ben: Nah, that'll never work, best to kidnap babies and perform sickening experiments with mothers, maybe even kill a few innocents along the way...

WTF?

Other than that, the show was great.

GMichael
04-12-2007, 08:15 AM
I appear to be the only one really bothered by the show's first really stupid plot hole.
If ya can't have baby's on the island, why not, oh, I don't know, have'em off the freakin' island. These guys are obviously loaded with gold and oozing silver, it's not like they couldn't find some other non-mystical island to set aside for procreation.

Let's recap:
Ben: We can't have baby's on this island, what do we do?
Jacob: Well, let's take procreate on some other island
Ben: Nah, that'll never work, best to kidnap babies and perform sickening experiments with mothers, maybe even kill a few innocents along the way...

WTF?

Other than that, the show was great.

Maybe once you're on the island it becomes a part of you. Leaving won't help. But then Lockie would be able to walk if he left?

Kam
04-12-2007, 08:30 AM
loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:

The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?

I still think that island is out of time/space/etc. i think they're in the future and mikhail, seeing the plane in the sky, started searching the news ARCHIVES for a plane missing over the pacific and got the information of everyone on the plane. the "lists" that ben told ethan and goodwin to bring back was to match against the information that mikhail would get, they would want to know the survivors on the plane and their connection and role they would need to play on the island. (claire - baby, jack - surgeon, etc).

the whole newspaper date scam to identify her sister and daughter may very well have happenned... x# of years ago. i don't think on the Island it was september 2004.

oh yeah, and i don't think jack is duped just yet. he doesn't want to hear her answers, because he knows they'll be lies. :)

Groundbeef
04-12-2007, 08:30 AM
Maybe once you're on the island it becomes a part of you. Leaving won't help. But then Lockie would be able to walk if he left?

Sure, he'd be able to walk. And having a baby would also kill him.

GMichael
04-12-2007, 08:34 AM
Sure, he'd be able to walk. And having a baby would also kill him.
:yikes: :hand: :shocked: :yikes:

ForeverAutumn
04-12-2007, 10:20 AM
loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:

The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?


A couple more ramblings of my own...

I thought that one of the news reports showed the plane LANDING. I'll have to rewatch my tape, or check Sledgeweb's site when I get home. I'm sure he'll have screencaps. Think back to the Oceanic web site in season 1. Wasn't there evidence that the plane landed in LA but hours late? I wish I were at home so that I could investigate this a little more.

Also, what if Juliet's branding wasn't a bad thing? Remember when the court was told that Benry said that her life should be spared but that she would be "marked"? The group looked shocked. I assumed that being "marked" was worse than death for some reason. But what if being "marked" actually made her one of them and the group was shocked by that decision because she had only been on the island for three years and they knew that she wanted to go home. Maybe they were wondering why Benry would accept her as one of them. Hmmmmm.

Also, I wonder how many other Others, were brought to the island under false pretenses and want to go home. Juliet can't be the only one.

kexodusc
04-12-2007, 10:21 AM
loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:

The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?

I still think that island is out of time/space/etc. i think they're in the future and mikhail, seeing the plane in the sky, started searching the news ARCHIVES for a plane missing over the pacific and got the information of everyone on the plane. the "lists" that ben told ethan and goodwin to bring back was to match against the information that mikhail would get, they would want to know the survivors on the plane and their connection and role they would need to play on the island. (claire - baby, jack - surgeon, etc).

the whole newspaper date scam to identify her sister and daughter may very well have happenned... x# of years ago. i don't think on the Island it was september 2004.



Interesting, theory Kam. I just finished telling a friend of mine that I expect Michael and Walt to show up soon, except Walt will be 23 years old and Michael an old man....

Groundbeef
04-12-2007, 10:31 AM
Interesting, theory Kam. I just finished telling a friend of mine that I expect Michael and Walt to show up soon, except Walt will be 23 years old and Michael an old man....

I wouldn't put too much into seeing a plane land. Many times with reports of missing planes, and airline disasters news organizations simply use stock footage. I mean really, with the 1000's of take offs-landings daily in the US alone, no one films them 1 by 1. Only by happenstance or blind luck will a flight actully be filmed either taking off or landing.

I think it was just stock footage. Same with the 4 engine Airbus in one of the pictures on the monitor. The news headline was that a plane went missing. Not like its all that important to have an actual representation of the identical plane. Just a big jet will do for the initial headline.

Kam
04-12-2007, 11:19 AM
ooooooooo brain just got hit with another juicy thought.

ana lucia was killed by michael for (imo) having killed goodwin....

now juliette knows that it was charlie that killed ethan....

i think juliette was sent (like michael was) to kill charlie. i think the only accidental death was really libby's, but michael was told he was supposed to get ben out AND kill ana lucia. or maybe her death was just a bonus but it was planned as the Other's eye-eye justice (since juliette was supposed to be killed for killing Sawyer-hater-dude).

GMichael
04-12-2007, 11:23 AM
ooooooooo brain just got hit with another juicy thought.

ana lucia was killed by michael for (imo) having killed goodwin....

now juliette knows that it was charlie that killed ethan....

i think juliette was sent (like michael was) to kill charlie. i think the only accidental death was really libby's, but michael was told he was supposed to get ben out AND kill ana lucia. or maybe her death was just a bonus but it was planned as the Other's eye-eye justice (since juliette was supposed to be killed for killing Sawyer-hater-dude).


I wonder why that guy hated Sawyer so much. Could he have been a victim of one of Sawyer's scams? Or maybe someone he knew, will be scammed?

ForeverAutumn
04-12-2007, 11:24 AM
I don't think that Michael was told to kill Ana-Lucia. I think that Ms. Clue only told him to free Henry and that she didn't care how he did it.

kexodusc
04-12-2007, 02:10 PM
On the plane thing...Like Beefy said, I wouldn't put much stock into the speed in which it made TV.
Last year there was a drunk passenger on a flight over the atlantic, and it made National news here even before it landed and they were showing all kinds of footage. Since Sept 11, anything related to air planes can be a big story really quick...

Still, I can totally see the time warp thingy coming....

JSE
04-13-2007, 08:31 AM
Juliet's only ticket off the island is the "Others". Even with the sub destroyed, she knows they are the only ones who have the knowledge to get off the island. She will always side with the "Others" as long as they are her only ticket off the island. The sub was the only way off because it could go under water to avoid all the weird magnetic/electrical/impulse/whatever fields that keep the island hidden. Even it seems to have trouble getting through to the island with the rough ride Ethan spoke of. Now that the reactor thing is gone, I wonder how visible they are? Desmond's former fiance will show up soon.

GMichael
04-13-2007, 08:46 AM
Juliet's only ticket off the island is the "Others". Even with the sub destroyed, she knows they are the only ones who have the knowledge to get off the island. She will always side with the "Others" as long as they are her only ticket off the island. The sub was the only way off because it could go under water to avoid all the weird magnetic/electrical/impulse/whatever fields that keep the island hidden. Even it seems to have trouble getting through to the island with the rough ride Ethan spoke of. Now that the reactor thing is gone, I wonder how visible they are? Desmond's former fiance will show up soon.

Hey! Where have you been? Where you lost?
Good to see ya post again.

JSE
04-13-2007, 11:55 AM
Hey! Where have you been? Where you lost?
Good to see ya post again.

Been around. And yes, I am always lost!

Post 987 and counting. When I hit 1K, beers on me! It's been 4 years of hard work to get this far. :crazy:

GMichael
04-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Been around. And yes, I am always lost!

Post 987 and counting. When I hit 1K, beers on me! It's been 4 years of hard work to get this far. :crazy:

Beers on you? I'll pour.:idea:

Worf101
04-16-2007, 04:44 AM
Been around. And yes, I am always lost!

Post 987 and counting. When I hit 1K, beers on me! It's been 4 years of hard work to get this far. :crazy:
PUT SOME PANTS ON!!!!!

You're causing me to loose sight!!!!

JSE
04-16-2007, 11:29 AM
PUT SOME PANTS ON!!!!!

You're causing me to loose sight!!!!


Where have I heard that before?

Hulas Rule!!! :ciappa:

ForeverAutumn
04-17-2007, 07:54 AM
Enjoy these last few weeks...it looks like we won't be watching S4 until January 2008.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

GMichael
04-17-2007, 08:00 AM
Enjoy these last few weeks...it looks like we won't be watching S4 until January 2008.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

That's just not right. First they get us addicted and then they cut us off?

Worf101
04-17-2007, 08:14 AM
Enjoy these last few weeks...it looks like we won't be watching S4 until January 2008.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html
It's nice to see and know that the producers of the show realize that they were SCREWIN' THE WHOLE THING UP. There's only so much enigmatic mystery the average person can stand before they throw their hands up and say "F" it! I got other things to do. Let's see if they got their act together before they lose the whole damn thing. I guess I wasn't the only person saying "this sucks".

Da Worfster

GMichael
04-17-2007, 08:23 AM
It's nice to see and know that the producers of the show realize that they were SCREWIN' THE WHOLE THING UP. There's only so much enigmatic mystery the average person can stand before they throw their hands up and say "F" it! I got other things to do. Let's see if they got their act together before they lose the whole damn thing. I guess I wasn't the only person saying "this sucks".

Da Worfster

HAHAHA My wife HATES Lost. I have to watch in another room when it's on. It drives her crazy that she can't figure out what's going on. Whenever she walks in and sees that I have it on she says, "Umpf.. that show sucks." and storms out.

ForeverAutumn
04-17-2007, 09:19 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

That's just not right. First they get us addicted and then they cut us off?

Its our own fault you know. You just can't keep Lost fans happy. Seasons 1 and 2, the fans all complained about the high number of repeats. So in Season 3 the producers responded by saying, "okay no repeats, but we'll have to divide the season into two mini-seasons". A good compromise, yes? Well, actually, No. Now the fans are complaining about the break between the first and second part of the season. So, what's the next step? One solid continuous flow...no repeats, no break. But a later start to the season. ...and now we'll all complain about that.

Go back to the S2 thread and you'll see that we all wanted Lost to be run like 24. Well, now it is...and we'll all have to live with it. :prrr:

Look on the bright side...now we have time to watch the DVDs of all the previous seasons before S4 begins.

kexodusc
04-17-2007, 10:17 AM
Well ya can't please all the people all the time, but they're sure pleasing me all the time and that's all that matters. Season 4 should be the craziest yet as we're finally getting somewhere - damn right I'l be there.

But count me in on the DVR camp - sometimes I'm outta town or just too tired, so I watch it early in the morning before work just so I can get in on the Lost thread by Thursday at noon :D

GMichael
04-17-2007, 10:23 AM
Why can't they just do what 90% of the shows out there have done for years? Show us 24 new ep's in a row, then start over for anyone who missed one. At the end of that you show a few favorites and it's back to new again.

GMichael
04-18-2007, 12:09 PM
Isn't it Wednesday yet? Is tonight the night we find out that Lockie is working with the Others? Will we get some Benry flashbacks? What's his history? Will we meet anyone from Darma? Will the smoke show up? Can Rin Tin Tin save little Tommy from the raging river in time to save Mary from the train too? Or will he piss on Tommy and $c&ew Mary? Will these stupid questions neven end? Will Worf hunt me down and skin me like a cat? Stay tuned for tonight's show. But for now, it's snack time. Only 352 minutes left till show time folks.

Worf101
04-19-2007, 04:51 AM
I didn't need to see "When Desi Met Penny". Sigh, ho hum. I know, we've knocked off all the "hot babes" lets introduce another. Can you say lame ass plot twist...

Urrgh...

Da Worfster

Hey, the Island can turn White folks Black...

Who knew?

GMichael
04-19-2007, 05:00 AM
I didn't need to see "When Desi Met Penny". Sigh, ho hum. I know, we've knocked off all the "hot babes" lets introduce another. Can you say lame ass plot twist...

Urrgh...

Da Worfster

Hey, the Island can turn White folks Black...

Who knew?

West Point would be interested in that.

Resident Loser
04-19-2007, 05:02 AM
...way to go in the attention grabbing department...Thought Charlie's luck had finally run out...

OK, so the de-frocked bro Desmond (didn't even know he'd been frocked in the first place) pulls off the helment thinking his Penny has turned up...SURPRISE...who the F is this one and how does she know who he is?

I just wish they'd get past all this sexual tension cr@p w/Jack/Sawyer/Freckles/Juliet and start coming up with some decent story continuity...We want polar bears, lethal smoke clouds, something!...ANYTHING...

jimHJJ(...ptooey...)

Groundbeef
04-19-2007, 05:29 AM
I think the point of the show is NOW the outside world knows where the island is. I think the explosion of the hatch has caused whatever cloaking device to not work.

If 1 helicopter can find the island, more will come. Especially if Desmonds sugar momma is financing the operation.

BTW what is the range of a helicopter? I think the Sea Kings like the Coast Guard use can go around 400 miles. So where is the heli based? Surely they are not using mid-flight refueling, as that is a military process, and it does not appear to be a military operation.

This is where Juliet will come into play. Won't Benry be interested to know that the outside world is making forays into the "Others World".

GMichael
04-19-2007, 05:33 AM
...way to go in the attention grabbing department...Thought Charlie's luck had finally run out...

OK, so the de-frocked bro Desmond (didn't even know he'd been frocked in the first place) pulls off the helment thinking his Penny has turned up...SURPRISE...who the F is this one and how does she know who he is?

I just wish they'd get past all this sexual tension cr@p w/Jack/Sawyer/Freckles/Juliet and start coming up with some decent story continuity...We want polar bears, lethal smoke clouds, something!...ANYTHING...

jimHJJ(...ptooey...)

How about a polar bear in a smoking jacket with poker cards and dragging Goldilocks behind him (in her birthday suit)?

Resident Loser
04-19-2007, 06:16 AM
How about a polar bear in a smoking jacket with poker cards and dragging Goldilocks behind him (in her birthday suit)?

...they do that one already? I mean like a flashback?

jimHJJ(...hmmm, come to think of it, maybe it was one of mine...)

kexodusc
04-19-2007, 06:45 AM
Eh, I liked this episode just fine. Kind of a teaser/setup episode, and much like reading a good book, this chapter totally abandonned the whole Juliet/Henry angle, but that'll come in good time.

Love the bickering about Flash and Superman. And Sawyer and "mix tape" line. I'm guilty of making mixed tapes in my youth - I can't believe how something so stupid was able to earn me brownie points...damn, if it only it was still that easy....

Groundbeef
04-19-2007, 07:08 AM
Love the bickering about Flash and Superman. And Sawyer and "mix tape" line. I'm guilty of making mixed tapes in my youth - I can't believe how something so stupid was able to earn me brownie points...damn, if it only it was still that easy....

Yes, the bickering was pretty funny.

And I happened upon a "mix tape" that I had made the wife way back in college. It was a little dusty, and sounded horrible. I wonder how I ever managed to get another date after I dropped that one off.

BTW mixing is still the best way to earn brownie points. Now though its the things you mix...such as Tequila, or Vodka, or even Gin. And throw in some nice food...well you get the point.

Kam
04-19-2007, 01:41 PM
i'm still sticking with my cloaked/other-dimension/bermuda triangle theory on where the island is. that helicopter was coming through just fine, just like the plane was, flying over the island when... poof, it started making noises and crashes into the ocean.
just like when we saw the plane travelling overhead and breaking up for no reason other than desmond not pushing the button and causing another incident.
so what made the helicopter crash so close to the island? maybe the incident has permanently released whatever it was that caused flight 815 to crash so anything in the neighborhood is gonna come down like a ton of bricks ala bermuda triangle myth.

ps. also a freakin' brilliantly written story of desmond. i didn't think it was filler at all, but really showed how tragic his story is and how beautiful. each point is mirrored perfectly in his life with each decision he HAS to make. he's not a coward at all, and yet those that love him or are closest to him think he is because only he has the info that he has that he can't reveal (just like with charlie).

the sacrifice abraham story was brilliant to. because abraham was willing to sacrifice isaac and would have, but god saved isaac. is that what the island is telling desmond? you must be willing to let go of trying to save charlie and have faith that charlie will NOT die. Since abraham (i believe) was down to the second of bringing that knife to his son's neck before the angel intervened, that's what desmond may have to do too... let go of charlie..

Groundbeef
04-19-2007, 03:40 PM
ps. also a freakin' brilliantly written story of desmond. i didn't think it was filler at all, but really showed how tragic his story is and how beautiful. each point is mirrored perfectly in his life with each decision he HAS to make. he's not a coward at all, and yet those that love him or are closest to him think he is because only he has the info that he has that he can't reveal (just like with charlie).

the sacrifice abraham story was brilliant to. because abraham was willing to sacrifice isaac and would have, but god saved isaac. is that what the island is telling desmond? you must be willing to let go of trying to save charlie and have faith that charlie will NOT die. Since abraham (i believe) was down to the second of bringing that knife to his son's neck before the angel intervened, that's what desmond may have to do too... let go of charlie..

I think that Charlie was a pawn in this episode. Only Desmonds last minute choice to save Charlie prevented his death. Remember Desmond only brought Charlie, Hurly and Jin along because he felt that it was KEY for meeting up with Penny. But, Penny hadn't actually been revealed in his 'vision'. But Desmond (initially) was willing to sacrifice Charlie in order to get through the vision as it was presented.

I think that the Island is making Desmond feel the burden of preventing Charlies death. Havent figured out why, but I think that is in his nature to simply live with the burden. Similar to his vow of silence. He quietly suffered eventhough no one had faith in him.

kexodusc
04-19-2007, 05:01 PM
I think that Charlie was a pawn in this episode. Only Desmonds last minute choice to save Charlie prevented his death. Remember Desmond only brought Charlie, Hurly and Jin along because he felt that it was KEY for meeting up with Penny. But, Penny hadn't actually been revealed in his 'vision'. But Desmond (initially) was willing to sacrifice Charlie in order to get through the vision as it was presented.

I think that the Island is making Desmond feel the burden of preventing Charlies death. Havent figured out why, but I think that is in his nature to simply live with the burden. Similar to his vow of silence. He quietly suffered eventhough no one had faith in him.
This sort of continues the general theme of redemption for all the 815 survivors. Maybe the island gives second chances to everyone, including Desmond, and now his purpose is to keep Charlie alive (or part of his purpose...) as penance or the price of redemption.

JSE
04-20-2007, 06:07 AM
When Desmond was being fired by the head Monk, did you guys see the photo on his desk? It was the head Monk and the lady who sold Desmond Penny's ring! I rewinded several times to make sure. That was weird. Not sure how it all relates other than to show everyone in the show is somehow connected.

GMichael
04-20-2007, 06:25 AM
When Desmond was being fired by the head Monk, did you guys see the photo on his desk? It was the head Monk and the lady who sold Desmond Penny's ring! I rewinded several times to make sure. That was weird. Not sure how it all relates other than to show everyone in the show is somehow connected.

I saw that too, but couldn't remember who the girl was. Thanks.
It seemed strange that they showed that picture so prominently, so I went back to review. She seemed familiar but couldn't place her.

ForeverAutumn
04-23-2007, 09:45 AM
I saw that too, but couldn't remember who the girl was. Thanks.
It seemed strange that they showed that picture so prominently, so I went back to review. She seemed familiar but couldn't place her.

Some interesting thoughts about the significance of the photograph at Sledgeweb's site...
http://lost.cubit.net/viewArticle.php?id=232659

Kam
04-25-2007, 09:11 AM
Some interesting thoughts about the significance of the photograph at Sledgeweb's site...
http://lost.cubit.net/viewArticle.php?id=232659

ooooo that's very cool!

you know what would make an awesome flashback/re-flashback...
is now if desmond gets sent back AGAIN to that same monastery flashback, but with his 'time jump' knowledge and we see the same scene again, but now with him trying to alter reality while the monk/dharma try and keep him on course....

maybe he doesn't even want to meet penelope, and so tries not to.. almost with a little "Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind' type of deal.. he may not want the pain of hurting her, but no matter what, he is drawn to that relationship...

GMichael
04-25-2007, 12:31 PM
seconds till show time folks. (16,200 for FA) What happened to this thread? Where's all the speculation? What happened to our obsession?

Kam
04-25-2007, 12:33 PM
seconds till show time folks. (16,200 for FA) What happened to this thread? Where's all the speculation? What happened to our obsession?

i'm still obsessed. i'm wearing my 'numbers' beanie. :D

GMichael
04-25-2007, 12:57 PM
i'm still obsessed. i'm wearing my 'numbers' beanie. :D

Hey Kam,

I don't think I ever got to thank you for the input you gave me on the Sanyo projector. So thanks, they work great. I already have over 1200 hours on one of them.

Nice hat. Snicker snicker...:ciappa:

Kam
04-25-2007, 01:08 PM
Hey Kam,

I don't think I ever got to thank you for the input you gave me on the Sanyo projector. So thanks, they work great. I already have over 1200 hours on one of them.

Nice hat. Snicker snicker...:ciappa:

anytime!! they are good fun and i really love my sanyo too. still have a standing invite for ya if you ever are down in the city, can hear the nht's with the parasound!

GMichael
04-25-2007, 01:15 PM
anytime!! they are good fun and i really love my sanyo too. still have a standing invite for ya if you ever are down in the city, can hear the nht's with the parasound!


OOOO That's very tempting. Parasound is on my short wish list right after the Mini's. You're on the north end right? That's not too bad. I better do it soon though. I see they want to start charging people to drive into the city.

Kam
04-25-2007, 01:36 PM
OOOO That's very tempting. Parasound is on my short wish list right after the Mini's. You're on the north end right? That's not too bad. I better do it soon though. I see they want to start charging people to drive into the city.

yep! top corner of the city. it's a weird setup but works, with the parasound running the front, an aragon running the rears, and the marantz carrying the center channel by itself. i thought it might sound weird at first, but honestly, i can't pick up a difference in sound when i'm listening to movies on it across the front to rear transitions.

GMichael
04-25-2007, 01:59 PM
You've got to love a good LOST ep in HD with HT.:idea:

ForeverAutumn
04-25-2007, 03:52 PM
seconds till show time folks. (16,200 for FA) What happened to this thread? Where's all the speculation? What happened to our obsession?

Sorry folks, I watched last week's epi in San Diego. 10:00pm there was, like, 1:00am for me. And I'd been up for about 20 hours by that time, so I was half asleep. I really need to rewatch it as I know that I missed quite a bit of detail being too tired to really pay attention.

But I am looking forward to tonight. Who is that woman in the parachute? And how does she know Desmond? And WHO is the father of Sun's baby??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worf101
04-26-2007, 03:42 AM
yep! top corner of the city. it's a weird setup but works, with the parasound running the front, an aragon running the rears, and the marantz carrying the center channel by itself. i thought it might sound weird at first, but honestly, i can't pick up a difference in sound when i'm listening to movies on it across the front to rear transitions.
Interesting I'm working on an electric line and substation that'll run from Tuckahoe Road in Yonkers, through the Bronx, across the Harlem River and end at Academy Street near 10 and 9th Ave. How far am I from ya?

Da Worfster

Worf101
04-26-2007, 03:48 AM
I speculated long and hard that they might be in "limbo" or being tested by angles/devils before being "sent back" or some other such nonsense. But according to chute girl, they're all dead and accounted for. Due to time dialation do they have a chance to "reappear" in our time line. Do they go back in time and NOT get on the plane, at least the good people don't?

Boris is suddenly "alive and well" is he a gatekeeper in hell? Is deat NOT permanent on the Island? Sigh, more questions. But one thing I know for sure I want Charlie dead so bad I can taste it. I'm REAL sick of that whining little Turd. I personally wish the friggin Orc's had eaten him years ago and saved us all this misery.

Da Worfster

kexodusc
04-26-2007, 04:10 AM
I speculated long and hard that they might be in "limbo" or being tested by angles/devils before being "sent back" or some other such nonsense. But according to chute girl, they're all dead and accounted for. Due to time dialation do they have a chance to "reappear" in our time line. Do they go back in time and NOT get on the plane, at least the good people don't?

I think it's as simple as Flight 815 being fabricated by the Others or Dharma, and the world believed that they were all accounted for. They probably didn't want a squad of SeaKings hovering around their little island.


Boris is suddenly "alive and well" is he a gatekeeper in hell? Is deat NOT permanent on the Island? Sigh, more questions. But one thing I know for sure I want Charlie dead so bad I can taste it. I'm REAL sick of that whining little Turd. I personally wish the friggin Orc's had eaten him years ago and saved us all this misery.

Da Worfster

Ha ha... I hate him and find him annoying too, but more as a credit to the actor's ability to play a whiny ex-smack junkie than pure genuine hatred. Show wouldn't be the same without the one survivor you want to die.

Resident Loser
04-26-2007, 04:48 AM
I speculated long and hard that they might be in "limbo" ...

...actually a dogmatic update...This week the Pope Benedict XVl, donning his "cloak of infallibility" in such matters, has decreed there is no limbo ('ceptin' for Chubby Checker that is)...

jimHJJ[...besides, given their trials and tribulations, purgatory (a purification of sorts) make more sense...]

P.S. More importantly, how did Celine Dion do a rather convincing duet with Elvis?...

GMichael
04-26-2007, 04:54 AM
...

P.S. More importantly, how did Celine Dion do a rather convincing duet with Elvis?...

Wrong show dude.:idea:

Worf101
04-26-2007, 05:05 AM
P.S. More importantly, how did Celine Dion do a rather convincing duet with Elvis?...

I was upstairs playing "Chronicles of Riddick" when my son's mum starts screaming about "seeing Elvis singing LIVE". I was dialing up Da Boys from Bellevue when I decided to take a look at what the hell she was babblin' bout. Sure as chit, there was the King in a duet with Titania... It was creepy. You won't be able to trust ANYTHING on video now ala "Running Man" as they can now re-write both history and reality with FX's.

Da Worfster

kexodusc
04-26-2007, 05:21 AM
I was upstairs playing "Chronicles of Riddick" when my son's mum starts screaming about "seeing Elvis singing LIVE". I was dialing up Da Boys from Bellevue when I decided to take a look at what the hell she was babblin' bout. Sure as chit, there was the King in a duet with Titania... It was creepy. You won't be able to trust ANYTHING on video now ala "Running Man" as they can now re-write both history and reality with FX's.

Da Worfster

Why are they bringin' back the King when they could be bringing back Hendrix?

ForeverAutumn
04-26-2007, 05:51 AM
Why are they bringin' back the King when they could be bringing back Hendrix?

Why are we talking about this on a THURSDAY! It's Lost discussion day...so discuss! (kicks watercooler and walks away in disgust and frustration).

GMichael
04-26-2007, 05:55 AM
(walks out of office to see what all the noise is about) Hey, who knocked over the.. (slips on water and hits head on the way down) (wakes up on an island)

Worf101
04-26-2007, 06:14 AM
(walks out of office to see what all the noise is about) Hey, who knocked over the.. (slips on water and hits head on the way down) (wakes up on an island)
Worf uses batleff as erzats cricket bat while playing pick up game with Charlie and Mr. Eko. Eko smiles as I "accidently" gut Charlie with a swing. Worf walks away smilin'!!

Da Worfster

GMichael
04-26-2007, 06:37 AM
Worf uses batleff as erzats cricket bat while playing pick up game with Charlie and Mr. Eko. Eko smiles as I "accidently" gut Charlie with a swing. Worf walks away smilin'!!

Da Worfster

(looks over at the dead body, then over at Worf) AAAAHHHH!!! A killer alien! Run for your lives! (turns and runs straight into a tree, falls on back, coconut falls on head) (wakes up in a monistary 12 years ago) Huh? What the f.k!

Kam
04-26-2007, 07:09 AM
Interesting I'm working on an electric line and substation that'll run from Tuckahoe Road in Yonkers, through the Bronx, across the Harlem River and end at Academy Street near 10 and 9th Ave. How far am I from ya?

Da Worfster

not too far, i'm on the west side, south of the GW bridge! :)

Kam
04-26-2007, 07:17 AM
mikhael i don't think was fully dead at the electric fence. he got his butt kicked for sure, but i think with just a leeeetle bit of life left in anybody, they can survive. hence his line about the girl, she'll be ok in a day or so... that's a MIGHTY fast recovery.

everyone heals... but pregnant women die... and henry's cancer...

edit: xmen comic book fans? i thing the island is like Wolverine's healing factor. You get ANY sign of life... you live.

kexodusc
04-26-2007, 07:23 AM
Sooo, back to Lost...I was just about ready to say "see, I told ya so" on Juliet until the last few minutes where she spoke into the recorder and said "I hate you" in reference to Ben.
Okay, so she's the lone wolf now. How's this gonna play out? Is Jack going to steer her to the good side, or will her desire to get off the island and knowledge of the Others eerie powers going keep her loyal to Ben? Now I just don't know. I'm guessing she goes good because that could probably advance the plot more...she'll be ready to turn them over to Ben and the Others, then at the last minute have a change of heart and save them or kill Ben or something...

I wonder if she survives season 3? Maybe she's this season's Anna Lucia?

GMichael
04-26-2007, 07:38 AM
Sooo, back to Lost...I was just about ready to say "see, I told ya so" on Juliet until the last few minutes where she spoke into the recorder and said "I hate you" in reference to Ben.
Okay, so she's the lone wolf now. How's this gonna play out? Is Jack going to steer her to the good side, or will her desire to get off the island and knowledge of the Others eerie powers going keep her loyal to Ben? Now I just don't know. I'm guessing she goes good because that could probably advance the plot more...she'll be ready to turn them over to Ben and the Others, then at the last minute have a change of heart and save them or kill Ben or something...

I wonder if she survives season 3? Maybe she's this season's Anna Lucia?

Who do you mean when you say "good side?" I thought the Others were the good ones.

Worf101
04-26-2007, 08:05 AM
(looks over at the dead body, then over at Worf) AAAAHHHH!!! A killer alien! Run for your lives! (turns and runs straight into a tree, falls on back, coconut falls on head) (wakes up in a monistary 12 years ago) Huh? What the f.k!
Head monk leads over G'Man and begins pumping foot powered tooth drill...

"Is it safe?"

He asks and the rusty, blood encrusted drill begins to creakily rotate...

"Is it safe?"

Da Worfster

GMichael
04-26-2007, 08:20 AM
Head monk leads over G'Man and begins pumping foot powered tooth drill...

"Is it safe?"

He asks and the rusty, blood encrusted drill begins to creakily rotate...

"Is it safe?"

Da Worfster

What the...? REMOTE! Where's my magic romote?

click

Ahhhh... Miami Beach! Look at all the ....y!

Kam
04-26-2007, 08:38 AM
by the way... anyone get what it was hottie multilingual chick said after being saved that Mikhael translated as "thank you for saving me." which... i really don't think she said.... searching cubit to see if i can find out the translations...

topspeed
04-26-2007, 08:44 AM
Are they dead or not? Didn't they check Boris' pulse after he got zapped by the fence? I mean, his eye was open and foam was coming out of his mouth, IIRC! That's not dead?!? Maybe people that are impregnated on the island die because they are in a sort of purgatory where no new life can be created. Claire was able to have a baby on the island because both the baby and her are already dead anyway.

Next week's teaser show Locke wanting Sawyer to kill "Ben," who you can bet is his dear 'ol dad with a bag over his head. Looks like it's going to be more of Sawyer's back story. FA may want to watch this one closely ;).

GMichael
04-26-2007, 08:49 AM
by the way... anyone get what it was hottie multilingual chick said after being saved that Mikhael translated as "thank you for saving me." which... i really don't think she said.... searching cubit to see if i can find out the translations...

Other forums say she was speaking portuguese at that point and said to Mikhail: "I'm not alone".
"Cultural references
* Naomi (the parachutist) speaks many languages:
o "Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions)
o "Aiutame sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions)
o She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese,
not Korean
o After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." This is possibly in conjunction with the discovery of the backpack containing the book entitled "Ardil 22" the Portuguese-language version of "Catch 22."

kexodusc
04-26-2007, 09:10 AM
Other forums say she was speaking portuguese at that point and said to Mikhail: "I'm not alone".
"Cultural references
* Naomi (the parachutist) speaks many languages:
o "Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions)
o "Aiutame sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions)
o She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese,
not Korean
o After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." This is possibly in conjunction with the discovery of the backpack containing the book entitled "Ardil 22" the Portuguese-language version of "Catch 22."

Uh-huh...that's what I got...

ForeverAutumn
04-26-2007, 09:24 AM
Ever since last week when they first showed her, I've been trying to figure out who the parachutist is...as an actress I mean. I knew that I recognized her...I even knew she was British (or thereabouts), but I couldn't quite place her. Finally, I realized that she played Nessa on Las Vegas a couple of years ago.

I love Jin and Sun's backstory. There are so many layers. What hit me last night is, for a couple who love each other so "madly", they sure do tell each other a lot of lies. Even if I wanted to protect my husband from some terrible news, in the end I know that I would tell him the truth. As painful as truth is, being lied to by someone that you love and trust is worse. They obviously live by different values.

As much as Juliet may hate Ben, she's tied to him and doing his dirty deeds. He's her only hope of getting home. As long as he can keep that hope alive in her, she's his puppet. She may hate him. She may even hate herself for following his orders. But she'll keep doing it for as long as she needs to. The Losties don't have a hope in hell of getting off the island and she knows it.

I don't believe that anyone found the wreckage of flight 815, as parachute girl claims. At this point, we don't know her, who she is, or where she came from. Why should we take, at face value, anything that she says? My second theory is that, if the wreckage was found, it was planted by The Others on the outside to cover up that the plane actually landed on the island. What better way to get someone to stop looking for something than by giving them something to find?

Kam
04-26-2007, 11:13 AM
Other forums say she was speaking portuguese at that point and said to Mikhail: "I'm not alone".
"Cultural references
* Naomi (the parachutist) speaks many languages:
o "Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions)
o "Aiutame sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions)
o She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese,
not Korean
o After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." This is possibly in conjunction with the discovery of the backpack containing the book entitled "Ardil 22" the Portuguese-language version of "Catch 22."

i wonder if they (penny?) sent this team or this pilot here because they knew this place was some bermuda triangle and would have many people of many ethnicities 'trapped' here and so whoever they sent would have to be able to communicate with them, hence her multilingual sos as she's dying.

Groundbeef
04-26-2007, 04:41 PM
I love Jin and Sun's backstory. There are so many layers. What hit me last night is, for a couple who love each other so "madly", they sure do tell each other a lot of lies. Even if I wanted to protect my husband from some terrible news, in the end I know that I would tell him the truth. As painful as truth is, being lied to by someone that you love and trust is worse. They obviously live by different values.

You are right on different values, but for the wrong reasons. I think the Asian culture is vastly different than the US. Here we place much higher value on the individual, and individual achievments. In Japan, it is a much greater collective society. I think that for Jin, the fact that his wife hid the truth is much less of a problem than if she had come clean. The shame of his past probably would have driven him to either kill himself or leave forever. I was discussing it with my wife, and we both agreed we didn't agree with it, but we don't live in Japan.

Here in America, your father can be a fisherman, and your mother a prostitute. If you prosper, you are lauded for your hard work, and ability to overcome circumstances that may be less than ideal. In Japan, (not unlike India) you are pigionholed into your 'birthright'. Once a fisherman's son, always a fishermans son. Son of a prostitute? Forget about a bright future.



As much as Juliet may hate Ben, she's tied to him and doing his dirty deeds. He's her only hope of getting home. As long as he can keep that hope alive in her, she's his puppet. She may hate him. She may even hate herself for following his orders. But she'll keep doing it for as long as she needs to. The Losties don't have a hope in hell of getting off the island and she knows it.

At this point, I don't think the Others have much chance of getting off again either. The communications building is gone, the sub is destroyed, and the Pulse is gone. Unless they have the 'Dharma Super Secret, double secret hidden portal to the outside' I think they are pretty much f*cked at this point as well.

As for the motivation for Juliet, I don't know at this point.



I don't believe that anyone found the wreckage of flight 815, as parachute girl claims. At this point, we don't know her, who she is, or where she came from. Why should we take, at face value, anything that she says? My second theory is that, if the wreckage was found, it was planted by The Others on the outside to cover up that the plane actually landed on the island. What better way to get someone to stop looking for something than by giving them something to find?

Bingo. The wreckage was staged elsewhere. A good wreckage in the ocean would leave few bodies if the ditched in the ocean. Lots of free food for the sharks and whatnot. Depending upon location, the seachers would be happy to just find the black box, and some identifying marks of the plane.

JSE
04-30-2007, 12:47 PM
Are they dead or not? Didn't they check Boris' pulse after he got zapped by the fence? I mean, his eye was open and foam was coming out of his mouth, IIRC! That's not dead?!?

So if he survived, has everyone else survived? So are everyone they have burried coming back to life and dying over and over again underground?

That would be one hell of an episode! Digging everyone up and saying, uh, sorry guys. :rolleyes:

GMichael
04-30-2007, 01:27 PM
So if he survived, has everyone else survived? So are everyone they have burried coming back to life and dying over and over again underground?

That would be one hell of an episode! Digging everyone up and saying, uh, sorry guys. :rolleyes:

I hereby volunteer to give Nikki mouth to mouth. :ciappa:

ForeverAutumn
04-30-2007, 04:13 PM
So if he survived, has everyone else survived? So are everyone they have burried coming back to life and dying over and over again underground?

That would be one hell of an episode! Digging everyone up and saying, uh, sorry guys. :rolleyes:

Maybe Patchy knows the time travel secret. Why should Desmond have all the fun?

I think that when Patchy was electrocuted he was sent back to his "other world". But then something happened there to send him back to the island. Only he came back after the electrocution. Just like Desmond came back after the hatch blew up.

kexodusc
05-01-2007, 04:03 AM
Maybe Patchy knows the time travel secret. Why should Desmond have all the fun?

I think that when Patchy was electrocuted he was sent back to his "other world". But then something happened there to send him back to the island. Only he came back after the electrocution. Just like Desmond came back after the hatch blew up.

Was he even electrocuted? Maybe he just got a really bad jolt that made him all foamy and unconscious...it could happen.

Pretty sure they die on the island and stay dead. Arst ain't comin' back. Anna Lucia burned her bridges too.

I miss Eko though, he could come back...

Kam
05-02-2007, 08:47 AM
Maybe Patchy knows the time travel secret. Why should Desmond have all the fun?

I think that when Patchy was electrocuted he was sent back to his "other world". But then something happened there to send him back to the island. Only he came back after the electrocution. Just like Desmond came back after the hatch blew up.

interesting... maybe that's why he knew exactly where to go in the massive forest to get to the one odd spot they were... OR....

the others were also watching the sky and saw where she landed and sent Patches O'Hoolihan to find out what was going on.

kexodusc
05-02-2007, 08:58 AM
interesting... maybe that's why he knew exactly where to go in the massive forest to get to the one odd spot they were... OR....

the others were also watching the sky and saw where she landed and sent Patches O'Hoolihan to find out what was going on.

Uhh..didn't Hurley shoot off a bright shiny flare?
That'd be where I'd go to look, especially if I was expecting a helicopter.

Kam
05-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Uhh..didn't Hurley shoot off a bright shiny flare?
That'd be where I'd go to look, especially if I was expecting a helicopter.

ohhh yeah.....
.
.
.
doh.

GMichael
05-02-2007, 10:06 AM
interesting... maybe that's why he knew exactly where to go in the massive forest to get to the one odd spot they were... OR....

the others were also watching the sky and saw where she landed and sent Patches O'Hoolihan to find out what was going on.

Maybe patchy knew that the fence would send him to another time. That's why he said thank you when Lockie tossed him in.

kexodusc
05-02-2007, 10:31 AM
Maybe patchy knew that the fence would send him to another time. That's why he said thank you when Lockie tossed him in.

(insert cool twighlight zone theme here: dee-dee doo-doo dee-dee doo-doo dee-dee doo-doo)
He said thank you? Man, I missed that...that's creepy, who thanks someone for zapifying them. Something fishy about Patchy...can't wait for tonight episode to see what happens with Locke and Sawyer...last weeks preview's been driving me crazy.:eek6:

GMichael
05-02-2007, 10:58 AM
(insert cool twighlight zone theme here: dee-dee doo-doo dee-dee doo-doo dee-dee doo-doo)
He said thank you? Man, I missed that...that's creepy, who thanks someone for zapifying them. Something fishy about Patchy...can't wait for tonight episode to see what happens with Locke and Sawyer...last weeks preview's been driving me crazy.:eek6:

At the time, I thought he was either happy:
-that the questions & trip were done.
-that he wouldn't have to see Benry,
-that they proved how bad they are.
-that Lockie had taken the next step for some unknown plan.

But now?????????

GMichael
05-02-2007, 11:09 AM
remenber this?

http://homepage.mac.com/c_bowers/.p...lastdoormap.jpg

or should we go by this one?

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMapClear.jpg

ForeverAutumn
05-03-2007, 05:29 AM
My name is Sawyer too.

Chills.

Great epidode! Confirmation that Locke's Daddy was the original Sawyer. The return of Sawyer's childhood letter. I loved that he told Locke to stop calling him James. I'll bet that now, he'll want to stop using the name Sawyer and will tell everyone to call him James...but he won't tell them why.

What is the guy who recruited Juliet (I like to call him Dr. Bright Eyes) doing back on the island and how did he get there?!

What is Rousseau going to do with that box of dynamite?

And...what is it that Juliet wants to tell Kate and that Jack doesn't want her to?

Tune in next time...same Bat time, same Bat channel.

Groundbeef
05-03-2007, 05:29 AM
Wow, last night was a doozy, and the next 3 look to be quite a ride.

First thought is that they are not "dead". That would be too easy. I think that they MAY be in some sort of either parallel, or alternate universe, but not "dead". This could help explain why women die if they get pregnant on the island, but not if they come on the island pregnant.

Must be some sort of immune response, sort of like a foreign object in the body. Thats my guess for that.

I can't wait for Jack to try and rationalize how Juliet is NOT a mole. And how the others are likely to hang her.

And I havn't figured out what Locke is up to, but according to the previews it looks to be exciting.

I hope they can ambush the others when they come lookng for Sun.

All I can say is WOW...this show is so much better than 24.

kexodusc
05-03-2007, 05:56 AM
I got feeling we're headed for the double-swerve...Sawyer will rush in just in time to tell the camp about the tape, and how Juliet is a mole...
And then Jack will say, "I know...we're letting Ben think she's a mole so we can set up a trap for him"...or something along those lines.

Just when Sawyer was playing Mr. Leader and nice guy to everyone, his inner demons regained control and he turns into a cold-blooded killer.

Kinda "Lord of the Flies"-ish, how Sawyer and Locke degenerated into co-conspirators/murderers this episode. Guess they had reasons but...

What is Rousseau doing with the dynamite?

Loved that exchange - "what's in the box?"..."Dynamite"

Groundbeef
05-03-2007, 06:41 AM
I got feeling we're headed for the double-swerve...Sawyer will rush in just in time to tell the camp about the tape, and how Juliet is a mole...
And then Jack will say, "I know...we're letting Ben think she's a mole so we can set up a trap for him"...or something along those lines.

Just when Sawyer was playing Mr. Leader and nice guy to everyone, his inner demons regained control and he turns into a cold-blooded killer.

Kinda "Lord of the Flies"-ish, how Sawyer and Locke degenerated into co-conspirators/murderers this episode. Guess they had reasons but...

What is Rousseau doing with the dynamite?

Loved that exchange - "what's in the box?"..."Dynamite"

I don't know about the Jack/Julliet double cross theory, but it could happen. On the other hand, it would have been more prudent to let everyone in on the deal, as they would have been more accepting of Juliett. ( And conversly, more trusting of Jack).

The exchange with Rousseau did not include the "whats in the box?". That was between Saywer, and Locke. Locke asked Rouseeau what she was doint there, and she indicated she needed dynamite. Not much else was said. But it did seem to be an unusual, and somewhat ackward moment.

My guess is that she needs it to kill the "varmits" on the Lost Island Golf Course. It seems that Hurly hired her as the greens keeper.

ForeverAutumn
05-03-2007, 06:47 AM
I got feeling we're headed for the double-swerve...Sawyer will rush in just in time to tell the camp about the tape, and how Juliet is a mole...
And then Jack will say, "I know...we're letting Ben think she's a mole so we can set up a trap for him"...or something along those lines.


There definately has to be a bigger picture here...nothing is what it seems. Ben let Locke know that he was listening to a tape, then put it in a drawer where he knew that Locke could (and would) find it.

Ben is so good a manipulating Locke. First he planted the idea that Locke should blow up the Sub, then he got Locke to kill his father (even if it was indirectly...daddy's dead), and he let Locke find Juliet's tape all the time knowing that Locke would tell the people on the Beach about it.

Locke's need to be "special" has turned him into Ben's puppet.

Or...is Locke fully aware of how he's responding to Ben and will Ben end up being Locke's puppet? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Either way, there are some great twists and turns heading our way. I'm sure of it!

ForeverAutumn
05-03-2007, 06:52 AM
My guess is that she needs it to kill the "varmits" on the Lost Island Golf Course. It seems that Hurly hired her as the greens keeper.

LOL. That's funny!

I loved that exchange between Locke and Rousseau. A classic Lost moment in my books. Both were definately up to something. Rousseau is looking for a lot dynamite. Locke has someone locked in a room and yelling to get out. There was that silent message of "don't ask me and I won't ask you". A magic moment. Brilliantly executed.

kexodusc
05-03-2007, 07:08 AM
The exchange with Rousseau did not include the "whats in the box?". That was between Saywer, and Locke. Locke asked Rouseeau what she was doint there, and she indicated she needed dynamite. Not much else was said. But it did seem to be an unusual, and somewhat ackward moment.

Yeah, I knew that...hence the paragraph separation. Locke just told her where the dynamite was so she wouldn't snoop into his murder plot. She didn't seem to care.

There might not be a double swerve, maybe they'll capture Sun and Sawyer will arrive a bit late, but tell the camp about Juliet. Something's gotta give. I don't think it'll be as simple as the awkward moment that would arise if Sawyer just got back to camp and spilled the beans.

Also, we have to expect the dramatic season-finale cliffhanger. We're going to get teased about something so wickedly awesome that we'll be drooling about it until next January or whenever Season 4 starts. Wonder what that could be???

Kam
05-03-2007, 07:48 AM
My name is Sawyer too.

Chills.

Great epidode! Confirmation that Locke's Daddy was the original Sawyer. The return of Sawyer's childhood letter. I loved that he told Locke to stop calling him James. I'll bet that now, he'll want to stop using the name Sawyer and will tell everyone to call him James...but he won't tell them why.

What is the guy who recruited Juliet (I like to call him Dr. Bright Eyes) doing back on the island and how did he get there?!

What is Rousseau going to do with that box of dynamite?

And...what is it that Juliet wants to tell Kate and that Jack doesn't want her to?

Tune in next time...same Bat time, same Bat channel.

that's some good eatin'.
another delicious episode.

"so you want to go to hell!??" wow, that was an intense scene.

now i'm really curious about the jack/julliette alliance...

#1. jack and julliette really are working together, but need to keep whatever they're doing secret from everyone, even if it is for the benefit of everyone.
#2. julliette thinks jack is working with her, but he's really not, he's completely on his own (and to help the losties) but is using julliette to get what he wants and is playing along.
#3. #2, but julliette knows jack is doing it.
#4. Reverse of #2, jack thinks julliette is working with him...
#5. #4, but jack knows julliette is doing it.

and prolly 42 other variations.

but the other thing that came to me with this whole need for never telling anyone antyhing, is scientific protocol in experiments and (a favorite term in other boards here...) dbt's. the specific withholding of information because you want to see how someone reacts in a vaccuum, etc. just like the ?(pearl?) station video with our sometimes-one-armed-asian-scientist friend's video talking about observation of the pearl station.

Kam
05-03-2007, 07:52 AM
btw.... what the heck about the FOUR TOED STATUE???? hello?? they gotta bring that back in eventually... i hope... don't they... please?

Groundbeef
05-03-2007, 08:42 AM
btw.... what the heck about the FOUR TOED STATUE???? hello?? they gotta bring that back in eventually... i hope... don't they... please?

Well, if they come across it again, and it has only 3 toes, we will then know what Reausseau is using the dynamite for.

topspeed
05-03-2007, 09:22 AM
Man-o-man, this is the best show on tv by far! :D

Not much to add that hasn't already been said, although I thought it interesting how they did the backstory this time. Instead of flashing back to the real world, they simply went a week back or so. Interesting.

There is no question to me that Ben is manipulating Locke. It's going to be interesting seeing how the Juliet/Jack thing works out.

What a show!

JSE
05-03-2007, 10:38 AM
I think Juliet will side with the Losties. I think she knows Ben will never let her leave contrary to what he tells her. I think she knows the slim chance of the Losties finding a way off the island is her only hope. Especially now that Penny is "on the hunt". Desmond appears to be everyones ticket off the island and Juliet will latch onto that.

Man, after Rousseau left the ship I kept waiting to hear a huge BOOOM in the distance. Ala, Mr. Professor. Yuck!

Groundbeef
05-03-2007, 03:15 PM
I think Juliet will side with the Losties. I think she knows Ben will never let her leave contrary to what he tells her. I think she knows the slim chance of the Losties finding a way off the island is her only hope. Especially now that Penny is "on the hunt". Desmond appears to be everyones ticket off the island and Juliet will latch onto that.

Man, after Rousseau left the ship I kept waiting to hear a huge BOOOM in the distance. Ala, Mr. Professor. Yuck!

Well, if she suspects Ben will NEVER (as you say) leave the island, what is the incentive for her to stay true to the OTHERS?

Rousseau will never die. She is too much of a cloak and dagger player to be killed with some crappy dynamite.

ForeverAutumn
05-04-2007, 04:13 AM
Rousseau will never die. She is too much of a cloak and dagger player to be killed with some crappy dynamite.

Besides, at some point there has to be a reunion between her and Alex. It would be far too tragic and unsatisfying otherwise.

JSE
05-04-2007, 07:36 AM
Well, if she suspects Ben will NEVER (as you say) leave the island, what is the incentive for her to stay true to the OTHERS?

I think it's to stay alive. The others have made it clear they can kindof do what they want when they want. I think Juliet knows Ben will kill her if she leaves the Others. She is having to play both sides of the coin right now. The Others are essential for Juliet's survival while the Losties very well may be essential to her getting off the island. Or at least the slim chance of getting off. Slim is better than none with the Others.

BTW, I have this gut feeling that the "Big Burly Other", can't remember his name right now, is working with Juliet. I keep remembering back when he brought Jack to see Kate in the building she was being held in. Right before he let Jack in the door, he warned him about the video/mircophones. He put his finger up to his mouth and then pointed at the camera/mics. I think he and Juliet are on the same team. What team that is? Who knows.

topspeed
05-07-2007, 11:11 AM
Starting January '08, we'll be down to the last of three 16 episode seasons and th-th-that's all folks! A recent article confirmed that ABC has given Lost an end date for the 2009-2010 season. It was actually a stipulation by two of the shows producers that the network give them a date before they would re-up with the network. This way, they can structure the story to conclude exactly how they've envisioned, an ending that the have had set in stone for quite some time.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=77e3690e-3a60-4348-94ed-98a332268142

Honestly, I think this is terrific news. Not only are we assured of 3 more seasons of viewing bliss, but the story writing will be that much tighter now that they know exactly how to tie everything together given the deadline.

I do wish they'd return the show to its 9:00pm slot, tho. :(

JSE
05-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Honestly, I think this is terrific news. Not only are we assured of 3 more seasons of viewing bliss, but the story writing will be that much tighter now that they know exactly how to tie everything together given the deadline. (


While I am excited we are assured 3 more seasons, I just hope they don't start dragging it out with "fluff" episodes to bridge the 3 years. Before hearing this news, I got the feeling next season would be the last season based on the way the story has moved forward this season. Now, I am afraid they might "stretch" it out with pointless episodes that don't really move the story along. I hope I am wrong because these writers are pretty amazing.

***** Message to Lost writers *****

Please do not allow a couple of characters/stars to produce their own episodes

Please do not do a "Musical" or "Live" show just to keep things fresh.

Please do not create a spin off series with Michael and Walt (OK, maybe do that one?)

And Please, don't jump the Shark!

GMichael
05-07-2007, 12:54 PM
And Please, don't jump the Shark!

Right. Much better to have the shark jump the island.

JSE
05-07-2007, 01:35 PM
Right. Much better to have the shark jump the island.

That would actually make sense on Lost:out:

One more post to go!

GMichael
05-07-2007, 01:42 PM
That would actually make sense on Lost:out:

One more post to go!

Do it! Don't reply to this. Go start a new thread. We'll throw you a party.:21: :12: :thumbsup:

JSE
05-07-2007, 01:56 PM
Do it! Don't reply to this. Go start a new thread. We'll throw you a party.:21: :12: :thumbsup:


Nah, I'll do it here. The Favortie Films (primarily the Lost thread) and Off Topic forums are about the only forums here I read and participate in anymore. Might as well hit the 1k marker here.

Not to many people left around anymore who know me anyway. Hell, I got accused of being Lex by that LikeitLoud guy after I surfaced from an extended hiatus (sp?).

Yeah LikeitLoud, you thought I forgot about that didn't ya? :nono: , :p

G-man, get the beer ready. I heading that way! Worf, get your ass over to GMichael's. Everyone else is of course, invited. :9:

Smokey
05-07-2007, 02:13 PM
Congratulation JSE. Lets get the party started!

http://www.freefever.com/animatedgifs/animated/drunk2.gif

ForeverAutumn
05-07-2007, 05:59 PM
Way to hijack the Lost thread JSE. At least it's for a good cause. Happy 1000th!

Worf101
05-08-2007, 05:04 AM
HAPPY 1000TH POST BRO.

Jesse! Jesse!!! Jessie!!! Chug dat dere blood wine man. F.A.'s been betting everyone that you go "Scottish Commando" under that grass skirt. Kam say's when you're drunk enough, we'll find out. Kex has the multi colored sharpies and Kam, Recoverry, and Speed have all the cameras and hidden cams warmed up. G'man's on another Booze run and I'm grilling Patak Burgers on the grill. Smokey's workin' on a new poll concering your most ridiculous post of all time.

Let's get it started...

Let's get it started in here...

Da "Your Wookie Burgers Are Done!!" Worfster

GMichael
05-08-2007, 05:07 AM
LOST PARTY!!!!!

The house is all set up with balloons and decorations. Everyone, come on over and help us celebrate JSE's number 1000.
There's beer and wine in the upstairs fridge. The downstairs fridge is all Darma beer. Two more kegs in the garage. L.J., you're in charge of the grill. My wife can show you where all the meats are. John, can you get the main stereo going for me? Bernd, fire up number two. I'll be downstairs with number 3 and the pool table. Worf, did you bring your base? Jim & Mark, you guys play right? Kex & FA, you two coming down? Everyone else is invited too.
JSE, congratulations!!! It's just a shame that Lex and Sir T are not here to see this.

Worf101
05-08-2007, 05:17 AM
LOST PARTY!!!!!

The house is all set up with balloons and decorations. Everyone, come on over and help us celebrate JSE's number 1000.
There's beer and wine in the upstairs fridge. The downstairs fridge is all Darma beer. Two more kegs in the garage. L.J., you're in charge of the grill. My wife can show you where all the meats are. John, can you get the main stereo going for me? Bernd, fire up number two. I'll be downstairs with number 3 and the pool table. Worf, did you bring your base? Jim & Mark, you guys play right? Kex & FA, you two coming down? Everyone else is invited too.
JSE, congratulations!!! It's just a shame that Lex and Sir T are not here to see this.

(Worf takes a long draught of Blood Wine. His mood suddenly soured by the mention of two long fallen comrades. Grinding his teeth he lifts his cup...)

"Terrance and Lexmark... till we meet again in Stovokor!!!!!!"

He then grabs G'Man by the collar and headbuttls him senseless...

Da Worfster