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audiobill
07-04-2006, 06:25 AM
I do love listst & this one from Q is an interesting one.

So...What have they missed??

Cheers,
audiobill

40 Best Albums of the 80s, according to Q magazine:

1. U2 - The Joshua Tree

Key Track: "Where The Streets Have No Name"

2. Michael Jackson - Thriller

Key Track: "Billie Jean"

3. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead

Key Track: "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out"

4. Kate Bush- Hounds Of Love

Key Track: "Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)"

5. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

Key Track: "I Am The Resurrection"

6. R.E.M. - Murmur

Key Track: "Radio Free Europe"

7. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

Key Track: "Rebel Without A Pause"

8. Joy Division - Closer

Key Track: "Isolation"

9. AC/DC - Back In Black

Key Track: "You Shook Me All Night Long"

10. Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction

Key Track: "Sweet Child O' Mine"

11. Pixies - Doolittle

Key Track: "Debaser"

12. Prince - Sign O' The Times

Key Track: "Sign O' The Times"

13. Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska

Key Track: "Atlantic City"

14. Madonna - Like A Prayer

Key Track: "Like A Prayer"

15. The Jam - Sound Affects

Key Track: "That's Entertainment"

16. Beastie Boys - Licensed To Ill

Key Track: "(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)"

17. The Cure - Disintegration

Key Track: "Pictures Of You"

18. Happy Mondays - Bummed

Key Track: "Wrote For Luck"

19. The Human League - Dare

Key Track: "Don't You Want Me"

20. De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising

Key Track: "The Magic Number"

21. New Order - Technique

Key Track: "Fine Time"

22. Pet Shop Boys - Actually

Key Track: "It's A Sin"

23. The Jesus And Mary Chain - Psychocandy

Key Track: "Never Understand"

24. George Michael - "Faith"

Key Track: "I Want Your Sex"

25. The Police - Synchronicity

Key Track: "Every Breath You Take"

26. Lou Reed - New York

Key Track: "Dirty Blvd."

27. Talking Heads - Remain In Light

Key Track: "Once In A Lifetime"

28. Echo & The Bunnymen - Ocean Rain

Key Track: "The Killing Moon"

29. Peter Gabriel - 3

Key Track: "Games Without Frontiers"

30. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation

Key Track: "Teen Age Riot"

31. Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden

Key Track: "Desire"

32. Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking

Key Track: "Jane Says"

33. Bob Dylan - Oh Mercy

Key Track: "Most Of The Time"

34. Soul II Soul- Club Classics Vol. One

Key Track: "Keep On Movin'"

35. Def Leppard - Pyromania

Key Track: "Photograph"

36. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones

Key Track: "In The Neighborhood"

37. The Pogues - If I Should Fall From Grace With God

Key Track: "Fairytale Of New York"

38. The Blue Nile - Hats

Key Track: "Headlights On The Parade"

39. Paul Simon - Graceland

Key Track: "Homeless"

40. Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast

Key Track: "The Number Of The Beast"

Davey
07-04-2006, 07:27 AM
Not too much to fault since it seems pretty well balanced, or maybe that is a fault since it doesn't go very far in any one direction. And the occasional British quirkiness comes through, but Q is kind of conservative so no big surprises.

I have a big list of favorites from when we did the 80s comp series, and perusing that list with the one album per artist rule they apparently used, I'd probably substitute some of these for some of theirs (in alphabetical order - any duplications or outright errors just a result of my dwindling lack of interest http://forums.audioreview.com/images/icons/icon12.gif) ...

Blasters - Blasters (81)
Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman (88)
The Clash - Sandinista! (1980)
Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Get Happy!! (80)
Dream Syndicate - Days of Wine and Roses (82)
English Beat - I Just Can't Stop It (80)
Eurythmics - 1984 (For The Love Of Big Brother) (84)
The Feelies - Crazy Rhythms (80)
Galaxie 500 - On Fire (89)
John Hiatt - Bring The Family (87)
Husker Du - Zen Arcade (84)
King Crimson - Discipline (81)
Los Lobos - How Will The Wolf Survive (84)
The Mekons - The Mekons Rock 'N' Roll (89)
Mink de Ville - Coup de Grace (81)
The Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime (84)
Tom Petty - Hard Promises (81)
Pretenders - Pretenders (80)
The Pursuit Of Happiness - Love Junk (88)
Split Enz - Conflicting Emotions (83)
Richard & Linda Thompson - Shoot Out the Lights (82)
Tom Verlaine - Dreamtime (81)
The Violent Femmes - The Violent Femmes (83)
Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams (88)
X - Los Angeles (80)
XTC - English Settlement (82)

likeitloud
07-04-2006, 08:23 AM
Just a few personnel favorites;:15:

ZZ TOP.............Eliminator
(Sharp Dressed Man, Legs)

VAN HALEN.....Fair Warning
(Unchained)

BON JOVI........Slippery When Wet
(You Give Love A Bad Name)

FOREGNER 4
(Urgent)

JOURNEY.......Escape
(Stone In Love/Escape)

ForeverAutumn
07-04-2006, 10:42 AM
A few of omissions from my POV:

David Bowie...Let's Dance

Crowded House...S/T and Temple of Low Men

Squeeze...Argybargy

Ozzy Osbourne...Blizzard of Ozz

Phil Collins - Face Value

I was really glad to see Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast on that list. That album had a huge impact on me when it came out.

Swish
07-04-2006, 12:06 PM
Not too much to fault since it seems pretty well balanced, or maybe that is a fault since it doesn't go very far in any one direction. And the occasional British quirkiness comes through, but Q is kind of conservative so no big surprises.

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Blasters - Blasters (81)
Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman (88)
The Clash - Sandinista! (1980)
Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Get Happy!! (80)
Dream Syndicate - Days of Wine and Roses (82)
English Beat - I Just Can't Stop It (80)
Eurythmics - 1984 (For The Love Of Big Brother) (84)
The Feelies - Crazy Rhythms (80)
Galaxie 500 - On Fire (89)
John Hiatt - Bring The Family (87)
Husker Du - Zen Arcade (84)
King Crimson - Discipline (81)
Los Lobos - How Will The Wolf Survive (84)
The Mekons - The Mekons Rock 'N' Roll (89)
Mink de Ville - Coup de Grace (81)
The Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime (84)
Tom Petty - Hard Promises (81)
Pretenders - Pretenders (80)
The Pursuit Of Happiness - Love Junk (88)
Split Enz - Conflicting Emotions (83)
Richard & Linda Thompson - Shoot Out the Lights (82)
Tom Verlaine - Dreamtime (81)
The Violent Femmes - The Violent Femmes (83)
Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams (88)
X - Los Angeles (80)
XTC - English Settlement (82)

I would substitute almost anything from your list and sh<a>itcan George Michael, Def Leppard, The Human League, and Madonna. I have nearly all those on your list, not so for the original list posted by Big Bad Bill.

Swish - getting ready for some fireworks tonight, along with some fine tunes and cold beer. Got the Blue Moon, Corona, and Fat Dog Ale on ice as I type this.

shokhead
07-04-2006, 01:08 PM
80's were abit of a low point for music.

Swish
07-04-2006, 01:41 PM
80's were abit of a low point for music.

radio crud. I detested all the hair bands and the disposable pop garbage that littered the airwaves during that time. Have you listened to anything that was mentioned in the original list? Plenty of great music there, although some I didn't care for as I mentioned earlier in the thread. And Davey's list includes some of my favorite music of all time, much less the 80s. Low point indeed!

Swish

audiobill
07-04-2006, 03:34 PM
[QUOTE=Swish

Swish - along with some fine tunes and cold beer. Got the Blue Moon, Corona, and Fat Dog Ale on ice as I type this.[/QUOTE]

Man.... you sure know how to make a man jealous: The Corona we do have -- but the Blue Moon & Fat Dog we don't -- and they sure do sound tasty. Enjoy, Swishster. Happy 4th, Buddy!!

Cheers,

Bill

Ex Lion Tamer
07-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Not a bad list from my POV, though leaving off Violent Femmes is inexcuseable. Of course, Davey's list is even more to my liking. A few others that didn't make Davey's, or Q's cut...

Aztec Camera - High Land, Hard Rain
The Au Pairs - Playing with a Different Sex
Screming Blue Messiahs - Gun Shy
Camper van Beethoven - Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart
The Cure - Head on the Door
Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Jason & the Scorchers - Lost & Found
Morrissey - Viva Hate
Lyle Lovett - Pontiac
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Kaleidescope
Stiff Little Fingers - Go For It
The Stranglers - Feline
The The - Mind Bomb
The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
Wire - A Bell is a Cup...

Swish
07-04-2006, 06:23 PM
Not a bad list from my POV, though leaving off Violent Femmes is inexcuseable. Of course, Davey's list is even more to my liking. A few others that didn't make Davey's, or Q's cut...

Aztec Camera - High Land, Hard Rain
The Au Pairs - Playing with a Different Sex
Screming Blue Messiahs - Gun Shy
Camper van Beethoven - Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart
The Cure - Head on the Door
Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Jason & the Scorchers - Lost & Found
Morrissey - Viva Hate
Lyle Lovett - Pontiac
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Kaleidescope
Stiff Little Fingers - Go For It
The Stranglers - Feline
The The - Mind Bomb
The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
Wire - A Bell is a Cup...

..especially the Waterboys, Lyle, the Scorchers and, well, maybe Camper Van. Speaking of the Waterboys, have you heard the latest World Party? I got it with a bonus DVD that is really outstanding. You have to really dig deep, but they have 3 videos from each CD, and if you chose the "album" feature, you hear a different song each time. I know that sounds confusing, but it's hard to explain without seeing it for yourself. Great stuff.

Swish

Swish
07-04-2006, 06:26 PM
Man.... you sure know how to make a man jealous: The Corona we do have -- but the Blue Moon & Fat Dog we don't -- and they sure do sound tasty. Enjoy, Swishster. Happy 4th, Buddy!!

Cheers,

Bill

Really? Well, it's hardly my favorite, but it's certainly a nice summer beer, especially after a long, hot day. Fat Dog is pretty fine as well, but I was just sipping some Pale Ale from a local brewer call Stoudts, and I always try to keep some in my fridge. Good stuff.

Say, I didn't forget to mail your package, but I have been extremely busy. We head "over there" next Monday, so I hope to have it in done before then.

Regards,
Swish

audiobill
07-04-2006, 06:50 PM
Elvis Costello and The Attractions - Get Happy!! (80)
The Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime (84)
Tom Petty - Hard Promises (81)
Pretenders - Pretenders (80)
XTC - English Settlement (82)

Five favourites of mine, too. Good call on the Tom Petty, Davey.

From what I hear, his new one might create a real revival for him and his music. Certainly, his music has featured heavily in films, of late, like Elizabethtown.

audiobill
07-04-2006, 06:55 PM
Not a bad list from my POV, though leaving off Violent Femmes is inexcuseable. Of course, Davey's list is even more to my liking. A few others that didn't make Davey's, or Q's cut...

Aztec Camera - High Land, Hard Rain
The Au Pairs - Playing with a Different Sex
Screming Blue Messiahs - Gun Shy
Camper van Beethoven - Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart
The Cure - Head on the Door
Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Jason & the Scorchers - Lost & Found
Morrissey - Viva Hate
Lyle Lovett - Pontiac
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Kaleidescope
Stiff Little Fingers - Go For It
The Stranglers - Feline
The The - Mind Bomb
The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
Wire - A Bell is a Cup...


Definitely Gang of Four's Solid Gold and, as Swish so aptly points out, The Waterboy's Fisherman's Blues.

Stone
07-05-2006, 06:09 AM
80's were abit of a low point for music.

I'm guessing you're either under 30 or over 50 (not that there's anything wrong with either, and I know I'm biased, but man, there was so much going on musically in the 80s, such a comment is hard to take seriously).

Most of the omissions I see have already been mentioned, but Suicidal Tendencies' debut and Black Flag's Damaged would be on my list (at least ahead of many of the ones on that list).

And how could Paul's Boutique be left off that list?!?! I love Licensed To Ill, but . . . WOW.

Double Nickels on the Dime, anyone? New Day Rising? Freedom of Choice? Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables?

Edit: Oops, Double Nickels was already mentioned.

shokhead
07-05-2006, 07:55 AM
Well compared to the 60's and 70's,the 80's at least for me was abit of a downer. And your right,age has a lot to do with it but so much was good about the explosion of new music from early 60's to most of the 70's that the 80's started to see not so good of stuff,imo of course.

Dusty Chalk
07-05-2006, 10:02 AM
...there was so much going on musically in the 80s, such a comment is hard to take seriously...So much so that I ignored his comment. I've also gotten tired of people who say "all new music is crap" and so on.

shokhead
07-05-2006, 01:08 PM
"Abit of a low point" upsets you so you might need a vacation,dont you think?

Studly Kach
07-05-2006, 02:16 PM
You're thinking too much.

unleasHell
07-05-2006, 08:11 PM
80's were abit of a low point for music.

pleeeeeeeeeeeeease... there is great music from every era..

come on let's have some fun,

give me TEN Albums from your 60's and 70's

and I will compare them to TEN 80's releases...

If TEN is too many, give me FIVE...

likeitloud
07-06-2006, 04:15 AM
I was hoping this would'nt come up (the age thing), but o'well, here goes;
Late 60's(just getting into buying music)
The Doors....LA Women
Led Zep...I and II
Hendrix...All Along The Watch Tower
Beach Boys..Grestest Hits Vol I(Born in LA, A Must Have)
Beatles..Sgt Pepper
Rolling Stones..Get Your Ya Ya's Out
The 70's (what I can remember, kind of a blur)
Led Zep IV
Black Sabbith..Paranoid
Deep Purple..Machine Head... and the underrated....In Rock
Led Zep..In Though The Out Door
Boston(Debut)
Van Halen(Debut)
Pink Floyd...Animals
Moody Blues
Emerson Lake And Palmer
These are the ones, among others, that got me into this hobby. I still have
them in my collection.:14:

shokhead
07-06-2006, 05:56 AM
pleeeeeeeeeeeeease... there is great music from every era..

come on let's have some fun,

give me TEN Albums from your 60's and 70's

and I will compare them to TEN 80's releases...

If TEN is too many, give me FIVE...

Wow! All i said was it was abit of a low point,i'm pretty sure i didnt say nothing but garbage or anything like that. Mellow youngsters.:17:

unleasHell
07-06-2006, 06:05 AM
Wow! All i said was it was abit of a low point,i'm pretty sure i didnt say nothing but garbage or anything like that. Mellow youngsters.:17:


lol, I'm probably closer to your age, than you think, but all I wanted to know are what are a few of these masterpeices that you had in mind when making that statement.

If you want to go first
1) Name a 60's Rock Album that inspired more bands than Joy Division's Unknown Pleasure?

shokhead
07-06-2006, 06:26 AM
Maybe i should redo it as i didnt even say anything about masterpeices. Less crap in the 60's and 70's then the 80's. Maybe because the 60's was so fresh and new. I'll have a list of some ok stuff from all years. I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

Mike
07-06-2006, 06:30 AM
Name a 60's Rock Album that inspired more bands than Joy Division's Unknown Pleasure?

As important as Joy Division are I've got to say Hendrix - Electric Ladyland inspired just about anybody who wanted to play guitar in the 60s/70s and 80s. But given the 60s was the true birth of rock music it's a little unfair to cite Hendrix.

Cheers
Mike

unleasHell
07-06-2006, 06:49 AM
I was hoping this would'nt come up (the age thing), but o'well, here goes;
I WAS BORN IN 1958, SO I DON"T THINK IT WAS AN AGE THING...
These are the ones, among others, that got me into this hobby. I still have
them in my collection.:14:


Late 60's(just getting into buying music)
The Doors....LA Woman: Nice album, I liked their first three better, though, Jim Morrison was probably the best lead singer of his time.

Led Zep...I and II: There were "OK" nothing special acouple of good songs, I always liked FOUR the best.

Hendrix...All Along The Watch Tower: This is a song, NOT an album, and a great song off Electric Ladyland, loved Hendrix and had MORE Hendrix LP's than any other artist (about 20 or so), surprisingly his stuff holds up quite well on CD (I have 4 remasters)..

Beach Boys..Grestest Hits Vol I (Born in LA, A Must Have): Ok they were fun to sing along with: "She's real fine-my 409", but come-on, a bit simple minded these days..

Beatles..Sgt Pepper: as fine of album as they made, they blazed all the major trails
Rolling Stones..Get Your Ya Ya's Out, Stones wre sloppy, had some great early hits, nothing good since 1972, why are they even still around?

The 70's (what I can remember, kind of a blur)
Led Zep IV: YES indeed, year after yea,r Stairway to Heaven was voted the greatest song...

Black Sabbith..Paranoid, Ozzy and company with the heaviest sound around, worked for a while, them and the Scorpions were largely responsible for the Heavy Metal movement

Deep Purple..Machine Head... and the underrated....In Rock, They were very good for a few years, Made in Japan was pretty cool too, for a live album.

Led Zep..In Though The Out Door: you lost me here, Zep was mostly useless after FOUR and Plants vocals became 10x more annoying than Geddy Lee...

Boston(Debut): They were too polished and too commerical for my tastes
Van Halen(Debut): They were too commercial for me, lame songs too, all show, no substance.

Pink Floyd...Animals: loved ALL PF up until the Wall, when the SOLD OUT...

Moody Blues: what album? they have a million of them, most are saddled with some of the most boring unlistenable interludes, but when they were on, they nailed it, like "Legend of a Mind" (at least I think that's the title) had quiet a few... NICE songs...

Emerson Lake And Palmer: peaked with Brain Salad Surgery, pretty great band, but I always was a guitar guy and without a guitarist they were always lacking that extra depth..

OK, as promised here are some 80's releases that I feel hold up well and make the 80's the most exciting era of Rock and Roll... (in no order) Oh and you are gonna have to give me a bit of leeway as a few of these came out in 1979, but the style is difinetly more 80's than 70's, just as the late 60's and 70's style overlapped...

1. Madness: One Step Beyond: Every stinking song on this is a keeper, they elevated Ska to new heights. Great lyrics too: Old man George: stealing underwear off clotheslines at night.. crazy
2. Specials: First Release: Awesome band who combined Reggae with Rock.
3. Joy Divison: Unknown Pleasures: dark moody and misunderstood, probably the GREATEST rock album EVER!
4. Chameleons: Script of the Bridge, never heard of it? join the club! The stars all aligned for this band as EVERY song on it is great, great guitars (dual leads), great (deep) lyrics, an absolute masterpiece.
5. Cure: most like one of their first four albums (as their fav) for me it is 17 Seconds, not many 70's bands have lasted this long...
6. Smiths: pick one: with the searing lead guitar of a young Jonny Marr and the (aquired taste) of the ever synical and unyeilding Morrisey, they created a body of work that has yet to be equaled since then..
7. OMD: like synthesizers? like them bouncy? see Depeche next, like them dark and moody? try Architecture & Morality, a classic of sound and substance...
8. Depeche Mode: Speak and Spell, they had a lot of great releases as the evolved, but their first release set the tone for what was to come...
9. Echo and the Bunneymen: Ocean Rain, they had some captivating songs on every release, but on Ocean Rain with it's subdued guitars mixed with strings and Ian's hauntingly vocals, The Killing Moon is as great as any song from the 70's..
10. Talk Talk: you want "feelings" listen to It's my Life and hear Mark Hollis pour his heart out...

I could could easily go on and on and this was just off the top of my head, gotta get to work now...

peace

unleasHell
07-06-2006, 06:59 AM
Maybe i should redo it as i didnt even say anything about masterpeices. Less crap in the 60's and 70's then the 80's. Maybe because the 60's was so fresh and new. I'll have a list of some ok stuff from all years. I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

I think there was more music in the 70's than the 60's, more good and more bad, same with the 70's to 80's, music became huge with the M-TV age and all.

So yes I would gladly agree with you that there was more garbage music in the 80's than the 60's and 70's..but

WE don't listen to garbage (right?) we listen to the "good stuff" and I like the good stuff from the 80's best.

ALSO: I have about 3000 Lp's and CD's and have a ton of old 60's records, Yardbirds, Cream, Hendrix, Doors, etc.. And hundreds of 70's LP's too, Rory Gallagher, Allmans, Trower, Tull, Deep Purple, etc, etc..

shokhead
07-06-2006, 09:04 AM
Twist and Shout
Duke of Earl
Surf City
Its my Party
Happy Together
This Diamond Ring
Wooly Bully

It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?

DariusNYC
07-06-2006, 02:37 PM
radio crud. I detested all the hair bands and the disposable pop garbage that littered the airwaves during that time. Have you listened to anything that was mentioned in the original list? Plenty of great music there, although some I didn't care for as I mentioned earlier in the thread. And Davey's list includes some of my favorite music of all time, much less the 80s. Low point indeed!

Swish

80s were great for music partly because of all the great pop music. What a great time for popular music that brought people together, before final full balkanization during the 90s: Prince, Madonna, Springsteen, Duran Duran, Michael Jackson, U2, and to a lesser extent the Go Gos, Culture Club, and bands like that. A pop utopia during the early to mid-80s.

But I don't disagree with you on some of the great less popular and underground stuff during that period as well. That's some of my fave music of all time.

Dusty Chalk
07-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Twist and Shout
Duke of Earl
Surf City
Its my Party
Happy Together
This Diamond Ring
Wooly Bully

It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?:rolleyes: You keep telling yourself that.

Duke duke duke duke of earl duke duke duke duke of earl duke duke duke duke of earl
-- I'm hearing the Consequences by Kevin Godley and Lol Creme version

Swish
07-06-2006, 03:01 PM
I was hoping this would'nt come up (the age thing), but o'well, here goes;
Late 60's(just getting into buying music)
The Doors....LA Women
Led Zep...I and II
Hendrix...All Along The Watch Tower
Beach Boys..Grestest Hits Vol I(Born in LA, A Must Have)
Beatles..Sgt Pepper
Rolling Stones..Get Your Ya Ya's Out
The 70's (what I can remember, kind of a blur)
Led Zep IV
Black Sabbith..Paranoid
Deep Purple..Machine Head... and the underrated....In Rock
Led Zep..In Though The Out Door
Boston(Debut)
Van Halen(Debut)
Pink Floyd...Animals
Moody Blues
Emerson Lake And Palmer
These are the ones, among others, that got me into this hobby. I still have
them in my collection.:14:


you don't say which Moody Blues ( I like A Question of Balance), nor do you say which ELP, although they were pretty dreadful when you get right down to it. The Boston debut was promising, but if you heard them live you would realize they were a studio band period, and their recordings were full of tricks like octave splitters that made them sound like they had great vocal harmonies and two guitarists playing lead riffs an octave apart, when it fact it was one voice and one guitar with the magic of special effects making it sound like more.

Sgt. Pepper was very good, but I would rate it prolly # 3 or 4 for the Beatles, not # 1. You really need to open up your mind to stuff that is outside of the "classic rock" genre because you're missing some very good music. You came to the right place, but you really need to pay attention and accept some of the comps that you will be foisted upon you.

Enjoy,

Swish

Swish
07-06-2006, 03:03 PM
Twist and Shout
Duke of Earl
Surf City
Its my Party
Happy Together
This Diamond Ring
Wooly Bully

It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?

Wooly Bully? Oh man, you must really be an old geezer! Are you just messing with us, or are you dead serious?

Swish - old enough to remember these songs, but not very fondly for the most part

shokhead
07-06-2006, 04:32 PM
Great stuff but most of these should be 60's and 70's
I'll leave out the Beatles
Cream-Disraeli Gears
Led Zep-ZOSO
Hendrix- R U Experienced
CCR-Willy and the Poor Boys
Who-Who's Next
Yes-Fragile
Edgar Winter-They only come out at Night
Boston's first-BTW i got a gold remastered and boy is it good
F Mac-Rumours
Santans's First
ELP-B Salad S
Kansas-Song for America
Grand Funk Railroad-Grand Funk. Got a Japanese remastered and its killer bass.
BTW,i could be bias as i saw most of these in there prime,more then once.
Thinking about it i suppose just as much good stuff in any 60,70,80,90,20. Growing up with it makes a difference but in the 60's sitting in my house with my sister and mon listening to Elvis all the time and then the Beatles{i'm around 11-12},its was our turn{kids my age}and you can see the clips of how crazy it was but let me tell you,it was so much more and it hasnt happened again.
LOL,ok blast me.

Dusty Chalk
07-06-2006, 05:35 PM
...you must really be an old geezer! Are you just messing with us, or are you dead serious?I think you just nailed it. It's an old geezer messing with us.

likeitloud
07-07-2006, 03:41 AM
Um,Yea Thanks for the album reviews, Whatever. A few things were omited, hey it
was early, real early. Yes BOSTON used all the tricks. You liked there sound, or
you did'nt. We all read the guitar world stories, rolling stone, billboard, and every other
music rag back in the day. That guitarist was light years ahead of everyone else.
(except for Page, of course, and pre Edward). And it's still the best selling debut
album ever, not rock album, but ANY album. Beach Boys. Yea, there silly, but
it cheers me up sometimes. Cool harmonies. Van Halen. Lame songs, I guess,
To commercial, yea they got kind of big, But when the first song (never mind
eruption) blared out of your speakers, you knew rock guitar and music moved forward
and changed. You listen to VH to hear the best guitarist of the last 40-50 years
(sorry hendrix, page, clapton, ). You want classical, flamingo, sick lead breaks, and
the most underrated rhythm guitarist ever, you got that with EVH. Even if your not
into there music, it's cool to hear a legend sometimes, who's still breathing. So, to
each his own, I'll keep my list, as is.:5:

shokhead
07-07-2006, 05:31 AM
I think you just nailed it. It's an old geezer messing with us.

I'm not that old.

shokhead
07-07-2006, 05:33 AM
Um,Yea Thanks for the album reviews, Whatever. A few things were omited, hey it
was early, real early. Yes BOSTON used all the tricks. You liked there sound, or
you did'nt. We all read the guitar world stories, rolling stone, billboard, and every other
music rag back in the day. That guitarist was light years ahead of everyone else.
(except for Page, of course, and pre Edward). And it's still the best selling debut
album ever, not rock album, but ANY album. Beach Boys. Yea, there silly, but
it cheers me up sometimes. Cool harmonies. Van Halen. Lame songs, I guess,
To commercial, yea they got kind of big, But when the first song (never mind
eruption) blared out of your speakers, you knew rock guitar and music moved forward
and changed. You listen to VH to hear the best guitarist of the last 40-50 years
(sorry hendrix, page, clapton, ). You want classical, flamingo, sick lead breaks, and
the most underrated rhythm guitarist ever, you got that with EVH. Even if your not
into there music, it's cool to hear a legend sometimes, who's still breathing. So, to
each his own, I'll keep my list, as is.:5:

VH the best? You are kidding,right? Oh my!

likeitloud
07-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
up to 98, and listen up.

nobody
07-07-2006, 12:15 PM
random thoughts on the discussion....


Van Halen bugs the crap outta me...damn twiddling fast as ha can crap has influenced generations of boring guitar players who have been convinced the true art of the guitar is in how fast you can play a bunch of high pitched whiny notes one after the other...

Arguing about what decade is best is never gonna get ya anywhere...they all have great music and they all have bad music...and we all tend to get fixated on one era or the other...usually the era where we spent our late teens/early 20s...

I do think its funny how so many people talk about the 60s and innovation like its somethig the decade owns and still dismiss the 50s when this whole rock 'n'n roll think was started...how about some love for lIttle Riochard, Jerry Lee, Chuck Berry, etc...

And, If you're arguing innovations, the 70s with the birth of punk and new wave and the rise of reggae along with a whole host of new sounds, particularly late in the decade, strikes a strong claim, as do the 80s when synthesizers and other electronics changed the musical landscape to a large degree not to mention the monolithic evolution of rap and hip hop...

Oh yeah...THE LIST...

Boring, boring, boring...overly safe list fixated on stuff that got radio play, sold a bunch, and has already been affixed firmly to the cannon according to your run of the mill mainstream rock critics....

I have trouble taking any list seriously that thinks there were 40 albums in the 80s better than Double Nickels on the Dime...but hardcore stuff never has and likely never will get much props...

Did black folks not make any music in the 80s? OK...Public Enemy and De La Soul, and I guess Prince counts, but not Michael Jackson. C'mon...a little diversity wouldn't be so bad now, would it?

Oh...and Madonna still sucks no matter how much the critics have backtracked! Holding up pretty well for her age though.

shokhead
07-07-2006, 12:33 PM
Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
up to 98, and listen up.

I've always thought VH was out of control playing 75% of the time. Its like he's doing his thing and the rest are doing the song.
Its a long list before VH.

Swish
07-07-2006, 01:51 PM
Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
up to 98, and listen up.

...including Hendrix. Look, Eddie can certainly play, but his leads are so contrived that they leave me just flat out bored. Heck, most of them don't even fit the song (think "Jump", a horrible song made worse with his downright goofy lead). Yes, he did create some very nice stuff on lead, but he just went over the top with his continuous exhibitionism, ditto for Eric Johnson. I would rather hear a guy like Randy Rhodes, although he's long gone.

Do yourself a favor and watch a DVD with Richard Thompson playing acoustic and you will see my idea (and countless others) of a great guitarist. It's so frustrating to watch him because the playing is so intricate and well thought out, and it frustrates me that I'm so ordinary when it comes to my playing. I had the same thoughts with Hendrix, Dwayne Allman, and a number of jazz greats (Wes Montgomery, Al Dimiola, John McLaughlin).

Swish

Swish
07-07-2006, 01:54 PM
random thoughts on the discussion....


Van Halen bugs the crap outta me...damn twiddling fast as ha can crap has influenced generations of boring guitar players who have been convinced the true art of the guitar is in how fast you can play a bunch of high pitched whiny notes one after the other...

Arguing about what decade is best is never gonna get ya anywhere...they all have great music and they all have bad music...and we all tend to get fixated on one era or the other...usually the era where we spent our late teens/early 20s...

I do think its funny how so many people talk about the 60s and innovation like its somethig the decade owns and still dismiss the 50s when this whole rock 'n'n roll think was started...how about some love for lIttle Riochard, Jerry Lee, Chuck Berry, etc...

And, If you're arguing innovations, the 70s with the birth of punk and new wave and the rise of reggae along with a whole host of new sounds, particularly late in the decade, strikes a strong claim, as do the 80s when synthesizers and other electronics changed the musical landscape to a large degree not to mention the monolithic evolution of rap and hip hop...

Oh yeah...THE LIST...

Boring, boring, boring...overly safe list fixated on stuff that got radio play, sold a bunch, and has already been affixed firmly to the cannon according to your run of the mill mainstream rock critics....

I have trouble taking any list seriously that thinks there were 40 albums in the 80s better than Double Nickels on the Dime...but hardcore stuff never has and likely never will get much props...

Did black folks not make any music in the 80s? OK...Public Enemy and De La Soul, and I guess Prince counts, but not Michael Jackson. C'mon...a little diversity wouldn't be so bad now, would it?

Oh...and Madonna still sucks no matter how much the critics have backtracked! Holding up pretty well for her age though.

because of the topic. I would say that Michael Jackson had some decent stuff with Billie Jean and Thriller. Not my cup 'o tea, but at least the talent was evident. I never cared much for Prince, but man can he play some guitar when he wants to. Talented guy.

Swish

audiobill
07-07-2006, 02:16 PM
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh!!

This has been the most fun this board has had in quite some time. Although there are lists everywhere these days, unlike the 70's and 80's (wink, wink), I do like a good list to ponder and admire and whistle at and hiss!!

A good list generates argumentative discourse.

Argue on, brothers and sisters, argue on.

Rock on,

audiobill

Swish
07-07-2006, 02:24 PM
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh!!

This has been the most fun this board has had in quite some time. Although there are lists everywhere these days, unlike the 70's and 80's (wink, wink), I do like a good list to ponder and admire and whistle at and hiss!!

A good list generates argumentative discourse.

Argue on, brothers and sisters, argue on.

Rock on,

audiobill

...and it got me going a bit, although my brain is fried from the stress of work. We're leaving for London on Monday and the week before vacation always kills me. Say, your package was sent today.

Enjoy,
Swish

unleasHell
07-10-2006, 10:01 PM
Twist and Shout
Duke of Earl
Surf City
Its my Party
Happy Together
This Diamond Ring
Wooly Bully
It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?

ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please

likeitloud
07-11-2006, 04:29 AM
ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please

1. From your list, you don't even know what a lead guitarist job is, and would'nt
know a decent intro or lead break if you heard it(by anyone).
2. Want to bring hendrix into it...fine. Whatever.
3. I'm open to some names of guys who CHANGED rock guitar playing. Go back as
far as you want, I don't give a damn. Minus hendrix, we all know his rep. I'll get you
started. Rhodes-Don't think so(ripped of whammy bar tuning technique), George Lynch
Very good, But not good enough, Glen Tipton, right up there.

shokhead
07-11-2006, 06:13 AM
ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please

One persons piss is another persons pearls. Hell i'd take Joe Walsh over VH.

unleasHell
07-11-2006, 08:31 AM
1. From your list, you don't even know what a lead guitarist job is, and would'nt
know a decent intro or lead break if you heard it(by anyone).
2. Want to bring hendrix into it...fine. Whatever.
3. I'm open to some names of guys who CHANGED rock guitar playing. Go back as
far as you want, I don't give a damn. Minus hendrix, we all know his rep. I'll get you
started. Rhodes-Don't think so(ripped of whammy bar tuning technique), George Lynch
Very good, But not good enough, Glen Tipton, right up there.

LOL, ok, you asked for a list, now this is just off the top of my head and if you love VH, that's fine with me really, but if you want to learn about guitar players, I'm here to help, IN NO ORDER (and off the top of my head):

1. Robin Trower
2. Rory Gallagher
3. Al Dimeola
4. John McLaughlin
5. Carlos Santana
6. TS McPhee
7. Vinny Reily
8. Robert Fripp
9. Steve Howe
10. Steve Hillage
11. Steve Hackett
12. Clapton
13. Beck
14. Page
15. Hendrix
16. Gary Moore
17. Alvin Lee
18. Billy Gibbons
19. Johnny Winter
20. Ritchie Blackmore
21. Roy Buchanan
22. Stanley Jordan
23. Allan Holdsworth
24. Stevie Ray V.
25. Dickie Betts

have fun

shokhead
07-11-2006, 08:54 AM
Might add an under rated George Harrison to that list.

likeitloud
07-11-2006, 10:26 AM
Agreed, they all bring something to the table. Thanks for all the discussions/opinions.
It was fun, lets move on to the next one. Lets do drummers(just kidding).