and I'm Lost all over again....

[Kam]

Yeah, I caught that comment from Hurley too. It also made me wonder.

Go to this site http://www.lostlinks.net/ and click on the One Of Them link under "Next On Lost". It will show the trailer for next week's episode. When you see the person that's captured... a face though the net...I think it's Desmond! Watch the link closely and tell me what you think.

Edit: Screen caps from another site. Definately looks like Desmond to me.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/preview03.jpg
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/preview01.jpg

Edit2: I just read on another site that the waitress in the restaurant where Sawyer and his partner met, was Kate's mom. Another pre-crash link.

fa - crud, am trying to remember, but i dont think that's desmond. racking my brain, but its not af ace i recognize from the series yet, although its tough to keep track since even the supposed 'extras' in the background of the flashbacks are actually main characters! i totally missed the kate's mom connection, i have to rewatch all of season 1 now. have only rewatched the first 4 episodes.

ts - i also caught that 'what time' comment from hurley! gave me a little chill! now... there should be tons of info they can glean from that radio broadcast, seeing as it was also a talkie broadcast and the host would give SOME clue as to what time/where it was being broadcast from. did anyone catch the call sign of the station? i thought i heard WXL...?

[GMichael]

fa - crud, am trying to remember, but i dont think that's desmond. racking my brain, but its not af ace i recognize from the series yet, although its tough to keep track since even the supposed 'extras' in the background of the flashbacks are actually main characters! i totally missed the kate's mom connection, i have to rewatch all of season 1 now. have only rewatched the first 4 episodes.

ts - i also caught that 'what time' comment from hurley! gave me a little chill! now... there should be tons of info they can glean from that radio broadcast, seeing as it was also a talkie broadcast and the host would give SOME clue as to what time/where it was being broadcast from. did anyone catch the call sign of the station? i thought i heard WXL...?

Amazing how clear the signal came in AFTER the call letters were finished. We were only meant to hear part of them.
I like how they like to give us clues that lead us in wrong dirrection. We can almost count on that. Anything we are thinking is because they (the writers) want us to think that way, to lead us down the wrong path again.

[topspeed]

I had the volume turned up pretty loud and couldn't really make out what was being said. I've got it Tivo'd, so I'll try to see if I can glean any info.

I don't think that's Desmond. This guy looks a lot older to me and besides, if anyone is going to be going after Desmond, it would be Jack, not Sayid. To be honest, I originally thought it looked a lot like the Tailie that was stuck in the airline seat in the tree. Whats-her-face's husband. With the screen caps tho, I don't think it is.

Anybody else wonder how Analucia and Jack's relationship is going to be now that he's accused her of basically beating Sun? Man, Jack lost out on Kate and now has pissed off Analucia. Who's next? Claire?

Next week looks freakin' awesome! Not only do we get some info about The Others, we'll also see what happens when that stupid clock hits "0"!!! Yeah Baby!!!

[GMichael]

Anybody else wonder how Analucia and Jack's relationship is going to be now that he's accused her of basically beating Sun? Man, Jack lost out on Kate and now has pissed off Analucia. Who's next? Claire?

She may be used to people accusing her of things. But, yes, I wonder the same. Jack seems to be losing all the girls. My guess, that is what they want us to think. Kate seems hot for Mr badboy. So it must be wrong. It's too easy.


Next week looks freakin' awesome! Not only do we get some info about The Others, we'll also see what happens when that stupid clock hits "0"!!! Yeah Baby!!!

Looks that way. But I still think that nothing is as it seems. The more they lead us down a path the more it must be the wrong path. My guess is that the clock hits "0" just in time for the show to end. Answers next week. Or if not, then nothing will happen at first. We won't see the outcome for many weeks down the road. Just MO.

[topspeed]

You're probably right, GM. Anybody else remember how they duped us with the trailer showing Jin speaking english...only to find out it was Hurley's dream sequence?

That just sucked.

[Kam]

if the clock hitting "0" is someone's dream sequence.... then heads will fly!!!!

what seems to be happening to, which i've now noticed over the course of this season, are people are settling in to/ or struggling against who they really are. this was really hammered home with last nights episode with sawyer and especially his line to kate, "I con, you run." its almost as if everyone can be summed up in 3 words or less and they either fight against their nature or become one with it.
sawyer - i con
kate - she runs
jack - he saves
locke - he believes
ecko - he believes too... (but in a different way) etc. etc.

bernard! that';s rose's husbands name, and i dont think its him either, defn (seemingly) someone new. and where the heck is that arrow coming from? someone been hiding a compound bow on the island? how'd that get on the plane? UNLESS... that dude was chased out by the Others, he's an outcast from their group and stumbled upon our losties.

i think kate is seeing in to sawyer, not sure if she's falling for him any more, but sees this self-loathing thing he has going on. that for sawyer's redemption of himself, he cant have anyone like him, he must be hated in order to feel that he is 'right' with the world, that people see him for being despicable for what he has done in the past. or... eh, maybe he just likes the con.

personally, i think jack and locke should hunker down with sawyer and say, hey, look you obviously know how to con anyone out of anything, so lets work a loooong con on the Others. Plan it out scruffy, here's your chance for the con of a lifetime.

btw, sawyers nicknames for everyone are awesome.

[ForeverAutumn]

if the clock hitting "0" is someone's dream sequence.... then heads will fly!!!!

Go get 'em tiger!



and where the heck is that arrow coming from? someone been hiding a compound bow on the island? how'd that get on the plane? UNLESS... that dude was chased out by the Others, he's an outcast from their group and stumbled upon our losties.

Here's a thought. What if he's a defector?! Someone from The Others who doesn't want to be part of them and sees the Lostaways as somewhere to escape to where he wouldn't have to survive on his own. Maybe they shot him to try to keep him from defecting. He's an outcast, but one of choice. And he doesn't "stumble" upon our losties, he seeks them out. Now we have our Russian and American coldwar happening on the island. We have two sides. We have spies (Ethan, Goodwin). We have a numbers station. We have a defector. We have weapons. Maybe Lost's statement will end up being a political one and not spiritual as everyone has come to assume.


i think kate is seeing in to sawyer, not sure if she's falling for him any more.

Maybe Kate's not, but I still think he's a hotty. :)

[GMichael]

Here's a thought. What if he's a defector?! Someone from The Others who doesn't want to be part of them and sees the Lostaways as somewhere to escape to where he wouldn't have to survive on his own. Maybe they shot him to try to keep him from defecting. He's an outcast, but one of choice. And he doesn't "stumble" upon our losties, he seeks them out. Now we have our Russian and American coldwar happening on the island. We have two sides. We have spies (Ethan, Goodwin). We have a numbers station. We have a defector. We have weapons. Maybe Lost's statement will end up being a political one and not spiritual as everyone has come to assume.


Maybe he's a plant. A double agent shot to get sympathy from our losties. Someone to keep an eye on things to make sure no one starts an army.
Maybe the others are the good guys. They only take the nice people to join their group. Everyone left seems to have at least some kind of problem or instability. But I see this as too easy of an answer. That's what they WANT me to think so it must not be correct.

[ForeverAutumn]

Maybe he's a plant.

You mean like a cotton tree?




Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

[GMichael]

You mean like a cotton tree?




Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

uh.... uh....

[ForeverAutumn]

So in my TV Guide it says that Rousseau leads Sayid to a strange captive and Sayid tries to determine if the captive is one of the others ... or something to that effect.

Rousseau? There was no Rousseau in the trailer. It'll be nice to see Danielle again. I like her character.

I'm willing to bet that there's a very logical explanation as to the existence of the captive and he's not one of the others. Why would Rousseau drag Sayid into this? She's been on the island long enough that she must also have some sort of agreement or relationship with the Others.

I guess we'll find out soon enough......or not. :D

[Kam]

So in my TV Guide it says that Rousseau leads Sayid to a strange captive and Sayid tries to determine if the captive is one of the others ... or something to that effect.

Rousseau? There was no Rousseau in the trailer. It'll be nice to see Danielle again. I like her character.

I'm willing to bet that there's a very logical explanation as to the existence of the captive and he's not one of the others. Why would Rousseau drag Sayid into this? She's been on the island long enough that she must also have some sort of agreement or relationship with the Others.

I guess we'll find out soon enough......or not. :D

now that was more like it! backstory... flashbacks... interesting developments and a TON of questions!!

so... the dude is an 'other' from that look he gave sayid at the end... we had some weird, what looked like egyptian heiroglyphics after the countdown hit 0.... BUT then reset anyway when locke put the #s in... after shaking the compound a little bit... AND... the trailer!!!!!

first (it said, "coming up on lost... not.. "next week" on lost.. are they having another rerun next week??????)
second, not sure if you've been able to dl the trailer online FA, but the us version showed it will bea bout Claire and libby using her psychology stuff to get to the bottom of what happenned to claire for the two weeks she was kidnapped by the others, including what looked like (from her visions) an elaborate dharma station, which they go looking for... and FIND! the next dharma station!
starting to pick up nicely... and interesting how people are starting to fall back into their "true selves" now more than ever.

[ForeverAutumn]

I agree, another great episode. No trailer at all here. :mad: But I did go to my on-line trailer source and viewed it there. How much do you want to bet that it's another red herring and the dharma station is a result of hypnosis or something like that. They don't actually find it.

The site where I view the trailers, also has the trailers up for the Pilot, parts 1 & 2. I wonder if they're rerunning the pilots next week and a new ep in two weeks. The ABC site hasn't been updated yet. So we'll have to wait and see.

I'll go into the Lost-TV site tomorrow to see what is being said about the symbols after the clock counted down. It reminded me of a slot machine. :)

Now, I must go to sleep and dream lost dreams.

Oh one more thing. How did you like Sayid's mysterious comment to Charlie...."do you remember?"

[Kam]

I agree, another great episode. No trailer at all here. :mad: But I did go to my on-line trailer source and viewed it there. How much do you want to bet that it's another red herring and the dharma station is a result of hypnosis or something like that. They don't actually find it.

The site where I view the trailers, also has the trailers up for the Pilot, parts 1 & 2. I wonder if they're rerunning the pilots next week and a new ep in two weeks. The ABC site hasn't been updated yet. So we'll have to wait and see.

I'll go into the Lost-TV site tomorrow to see what is being said about the symbols after the clock counted down. It reminded me of a slot machine. :)

Now, I must go to sleep and dream lost dreams.

Oh one more thing. How did you like Sayid's mysterious comment to Charlie...."do you remember?"

i did notice that, and thought he was referring to charlie's own ordeal with the Others, even though (from what i remember) charlie said he saw nothing, and was just covered in the sack and then left hanging. still... an ordeal not to be forgotten i would imagine.

at my work, when we type in our passwords in Lotus notes, the symbols that show up are exactly the same as what was flipping on the counter in the bunker. if it follows the same coding principle, i bet those symbols correspond to letters, which means we have... what was it? 4 symbols that it clicked on? if anyone finds screenshots of them, let me know and i'll compare them to my password, can get at least five letters and 3 numbers id'd.

with claire, the shots of her in the blown out hallway with what looked like doctors or whatever could be parts of the hallucinations, but i think they do find another dharma station for real, what is inside it... am gonna take a stab at: my top three guesses for what is in dharma station #3:

1. it's Island-Disney! The precursor to Euro-Disney. And this entire island was ok-d by eisner before he was kicked off the board for being... well... extravagant (not to mention greenlighting 200mill for his kids directorial debut of sahara).

2. it's the genetic labratory section of the dharma initiative.

3. it's some other unfathomable thing that will just raise more holy heck questions and confound and confuse me even more!!!!!!

4. (just because) will contain another computer that does ANOTHER unknown task every 216 minutes!!

[ForeverAutumn]

Here's the Glyphs and a possible translation.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg

Here's something else very interesting that I thought I noticed last night, but was going to check the tape and confirm today before I mentioned it. When Sayid was in the helicopter with the American soldiers, one of them was looking at a photo. They showed the photo very quickly and I thought that it looked like Kate. I was going to go back and check the tape today. Here's a screen cap. This had to have been Kate's dad, who we know was in the Army. Another connection....

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/youngKate.jpg

Here's another interesting site which lists some of the questions and, when available, answers. As well as connections. There are some really interesting things here, such as...Locke's boss at the box company and Hurley's boss at the fast food place are played by the same actor and are both named Randy.

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php#027

[GMichael]

Uhm.. When did Delenn show up on the island? Where has she been? And will Bill Mummy be showing up too?

[topspeed]

My wife caught Kate's picture immediately. Another very cool tie-in. Geez, can you imagine the flow chart for the Lost storyboard? 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon has got nothing on this show!

This was one of the best episodes of this season, by far. Was anybody else as pissed as I was at Jack? He needs to face reality and stop trying to save everybody. You know Sayid saw that look from the Other and probably wanted to cut his eyes out. I did! It will be interesting to see if Charlie tries to get a little payback, but I don't think he has the stones for that. Sawyer, on the other hand...

The trailer for next week, er...I mean whenever they decide to grace us with another new episode (what the hell does "coming up" mean, anyway?!?), wasn't as promising to me as last week's. You had to love the clock hitting "0" for sheer suspense. The Dharma door looked really cool, but am I the only one that is confused as to why two of the weakest Losties (Claire and the psychologist) are deep in the jungle by themselves? Where's Locke? Jack? AnaLucia? Anybody?! There's polar bears, giant monsters, some weird misty thing, and lest we forget, a pack of kidnapping Others hiding in the bush...and yet let's go by ourselves.

Yeah, that makes sense.:rolleyes:

[Kam]

My wife caught Kate's picture immediately. Another very cool tie-in. Geez, can you imagine the flow chart for the Lost storyboard? 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon has got nothing on this show!

This was one of the best episodes of this season, by far. Was anybody else as pissed as I was at Jack? He needs to face reality and stop trying to save everybody. You know Sayid saw that look from the Other and probably wanted to cut his eyes out. I did! It will be interesting to see if Charlie tries to get a little payback, but I don't think he has the stones for that. Sawyer, on the other hand...

The trailer for next week, er...I mean whenever they decide to grace us with another new episode (what the hell does "coming up" mean, anyway?!?), wasn't as promising to me as last week's. You had to love the clock hitting "0" for sheer suspense. The Dharma door looked really cool, but am I the only one that is confused as to why two of the weakest Losties (Claire and the psychologist) are deep in the jungle by themselves? Where's Locke? Jack? AnaLucia? Anybody?! There's polar bears, giant monsters, some weird misty thing, and lest we forget, a pack of kidnapping Others hiding in the bush...and yet let's go by ourselves.

Yeah, that makes sense.:rolleyes:

not to mention desmond is still running around and french woman who's a mean shot with a crossbow! i guess when you're on an island for 16 years, you can develop a few skills.

[Kam]

Here's another interesting site which lists some of the questions and, when available, answers. As well as connections. There are some really interesting things here, such as...Locke's boss at the box company and Hurley's boss at the fast food place are played by the same actor and are both named Randy.

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php#027

another few connections (from the lost podcast):

Locke's mom was in the same mental institute as Hurley (confirmed)

Marvin Campbell (the guy from the orientation video) was in the mental institute with Hurley (unconfirmed - an asian guy was in the institute, but unknown if its really him or not).

alright, listening to another podcast now too... will update soon!

am such a nerd!

[Kam]

garrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! argh!!!!! can we get at least TWO new episodes in a row!!!

[ForeverAutumn]

garrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! argh!!!!! can we get at least TWO new episodes in a row!!!

They showed the trailer for next week in Canada. It was the same trailer that you saw last week. The one thing that I noticed was that the Dharma symbol was a new one. So, assuming that Claire really does find the new station and it's not a dream or halucination or hypnotic memory, we definately see a new Dharma symbol.

My problem...I'm on vacation next week! I won't be home to see the episode. I'm hoping that they show it where I'm vacationing. Of course I'll set up a tape, but it's going to be a very looooooong week if I have to wait until I get home to watch it.

Considering that I'll be someplace warm and sunny...far, far away from the cold and snow...I think I'll survive. :)

It was interesting to watch the Pilot again tonight and realize how little Locke was actually in it.

[GMichael]

Guys & gals,

I missed last night's show but recorded it for tonight's viewing. Are you saying that I recorded 2 hours of repeats?

[Kam]

yep, it was the 2-part pilot episode from season 1. the beginnings of it all.

[GMichael]

yep, it was the 2-part pilot episode from season 1. the beginnings of it all.

See? This is what happens when I don't pay attention.

Thanks Kam.

Think I'll watch it this weekend to see if I missed anything back then.

[Kam]

oooo! oooo!!! was just talking with a friend about lost theories and he read one in entertainment weekly that was an interesting, which we talked and elaborated on to come up with this interesting supposition:

claire was kidnapped PRE-birth... which means the Others had her before aaron was born, AND could have gone all rosemary's baby on her so that the Others and the Island 'control' the little baby, with a touch of that twilight zone episode where the ominpotent little kid controls the small town with his every whim.

which i guess we might get a taste of tonight!!!!!! woo hoo!!!

[GMichael]

oooo! oooo!!! was just talking with a friend about lost theories and he read one in entertainment weekly that was an interesting, which we talked and elaborated on to come up with this interesting supposition:

claire was kidnapped PRE-birth... which means the Others had her before aaron was born, AND could have gone all rosemary's baby on her so that the Others and the Island 'control' the little baby, with a touch of that twilight zone episode where the ominpotent little kid controls the small town with his every whim.

which i guess we might get a taste of tonight!!!!!! woo hoo!!!

Hmmm... I was asking a couple of weeks ago if we would be seeing Bill Mummy. He played that little kid on the TZ as well as Delen's (Claire?) side kick on B-5.

[Kam]

alrighty then.... so ethan is an ob/gyn... didnt see that coming. :)

and.. the big reveal of the theater makeup and fake beard. was that zeke's fake beard? and the clothes in the locker, as if a 'costume.' Now why would the Others want to wear costumes? to appear as if they were something they're not, or to disguise themselves since they wouldnt be recognized?

was the guy talking to ethan at the door to claire's room Zeke? i thought that was him, just minus the beard and dirt. and so if claire was kidnapped in week 2 on the island, that means in the month and a half or so since then, the Others really cleared out of there, and maybe all the dharma stations? where are the Others hiding out now?

[GMichael]

alrighty then.... so ethan is an ob/gyn... didnt see that coming. :)

and.. the big reveal of the theater makeup and fake beard. was that zeke's fake beard? and the clothes in the locker, as if a 'costume.' Now why would the Others want to wear costumes? to appear as if they were something they're not, or to disguise themselves since they wouldnt be recognized?

was the guy talking to ethan at the door to claire's room Zeke? i thought that was him, just minus the beard and dirt. and so if claire was kidnapped in week 2 on the island, that means in the month and a half or so since then, the Others really cleared out of there, and maybe all the dharma stations? where are the Others hiding out now?

I feel so left out.

[topspeed]

So the "virus" is a sham, right? Arron got better all by himself, there is no "outbreak." The clock is supposed to stop another "incident," however none of the Losties are sick, unlike the French chick's deceased crew. Was it real or imagined?

Love the way the captured Other is playing Locke. The trailer shows him recruiting Analucia for something so my guess is the next episode is going to be his backstory again. Clearly there's some control issues in his past that need to be revealed.

Speaking of the Other, what's the deal with Echo? Why, of all people, would he feel the need to give that guy his confession? And what's the significance of cutting off the tip of his beard?

BTW, did you catch how they said "coming up on Lost" instead of "next week?" Great, they're taking another week or two off. ABC sucks.

[Kam]

yeah, next week is a rerun again. new lost every two weeks i guess. not sure what abc's doing with their scheduling....

dont know whats going on with the "virus" but i have a feeling those weren't vaccination shots ethan was pumping into lil aaron. am guessing (another of my inane guesses) that whatever was in that vial was part of the dharma initiative, some sort of serum to test on aaron. maybe a mutant inducer or something like that. seeing as they have an incredible interest in walt and his strange/telepathic powers, it might have something to do with their research. will that show up in a backstory with michael/walt? was his wife's ob/gyn also ethan in the 'real world'. is walt a product of dharma science too?


i think eko confessed to the guy because it was that guy's friends who he killed. eko prolly thinks/knows that the guy is an Other, and so the Other's he killed were probably friends or comrades-in-arms, etc. of this guy.

the locke thing we'll defn get more info on (i hope) because he played locke WAY too easily. as smart as locke is/has been, he just got played way to easily, at least to that degree. i could see that was a nice seed planted by the other into locke, but for him to explode like that, means there's more to locke's backstory we are yet to know. UNLESS... locke did that as a 'show' for the other to hear, but... it doesnt seem like it given the trailer, since he said there's someone in MY bunker and I want him out to ana-lucia, so he doesnt want to be in the shadow of genius.

[ForeverAutumn]

I'm not surprised by Locke's outburst. Let's remember that he went to Anger Management therapy. I think that there's a side to Locke that we haven't seen yet. He's all calm and "live and let live'. But he's gonna break. And when he does it's going to be good.

The whole serum thing has me confused. Think back to the episodes with Desmond. When we first met him in the hatch, they showed him getting up in the morning, showering, having breakfast...all normal morning rituals...then he shot something into his arm. When he ran from the hatch, he grabbed a handful of vials and put them in his bag. So whatever he was shooting up, he took some with him. He also left some behind. So, why aren't any of the Losties (mostly Dr. Jack) finding these vials and wondering what they are????? There's been absolutely no mention of them, but we know that Hurley and Rose took inventory of everything. So, where (and what) are the vials???!!!

P.S. I watched Lost, this week, on a big ship somewhere between Mexico and Jamaica. Sweeeeeeeet!

[Kam]

so i was watching Law and Order: SVU the other night on bravo or usa (one of the million repeats) and the story was about two cops who go about killing drug dealers. one of the cops is getting paid to do it, and one of the cops is doing it out of righteousness, out of revenge for the death of his brother. and who, praytell, was the holy, righteous cop you ask? well.... none other than our very own ethan!! (playing another character very much so like ethan all filled with righteousness!)

the vials - forgot about desmond injecting something into him in that early episode... wonder if its not really a vaccine but part of the dharma initiative psycho-mind altering stuff. has anyone found a screenshot of the vials that ethan was using? the labels were upside down and i couldnt really see any words on it other than the dharma symbol on them. my other off-the-wall theory is they are rabies shots and the dharma initiative is really paranoid about rabies on the island (quarantine), since the old format for treating diabetes was two intramuscular injections into the stomach a day and that's what ethan was doing... might be the key to everything. alvar hanso was bitten as a kid and had to have rabies shots, so he decided to create this strange island and the dharma initiative in order to get rid of rabies... yyyyyeah... that's the ticket.

the other thing i noted were the references the Other (what's his name?) made to locke. he made a music reference i thought from the 90's, and some other slightly dated reference (i thought)? i have this episode taped,will have to watch that last section again.

and what the hey is up with all these repeats! can we please get two new episodes in a row????

[Kam]

P.S. I watched Lost, this week, on a big ship somewhere between Mexico and Jamaica. Sweeeeeeeet!

you... didnt see any.... black smoke coming from off the horizon did you?
:D

[ForeverAutumn]

you... didnt see any.... black smoke coming from off the horizon did you?
:D

No, but I wear a magnetic bracelet on my right wrist and it kept pulling my hand to the Bar. :lol:

[GMichael]

No, but I wear a magnetic bracelet on my right wrist and it kept pulling my hand to the Bar. :lol:

It was the bracelet's fault? I'll have to try that one on Mrs. GM.

[topspeed]

Another week, another repeat :(.

I'll say this tho, all of the Season 1 repeats that ABC keeps throwing at us simply reaffirms my belief that this season has lost (no pun intended) a step compared to the previous.

Besides, any episode that starts with Kate wet in teeny weenie panties has to be a winner. My wife says Sawyer was lookin' all ripped in there somewhere too, but I sure didn't see him :p.

[GMichael]

any episode that starts with Kate wet in teeny weenie panties has to be a winner. p.

This was one I missed from last season. Thank the video G.ds for DV-R's with slow mo...

[ForeverAutumn]

You know, I'm almost tempted to wait for S2 on DVD at this point. At least I'll be able to watch two S2 episodes in a row. :incazzato:

[ForeverAutumn]

You know, I'm almost tempted to wait for S2 on DVD at this point. At least I'll be able to watch two S2 episodes in a row. :incazzato:

I thought that tonight was supposed to be a new episode, but I just checked the TV Guide (and then the ABC site to confirm) and it's another repeat.

My interest is quickly waning. I'm sure that if we counted we'd find as many, if not more, repeats than new episodes aired since S2 started in Sept. I'm fed-up.

[Kam]

I thought that tonight was supposed to be a new episode, but I just checked the TV Guide (and then the ABC site to confirm) and it's another repeat.

My interest is quickly waning. I'm sure that if we counted we'd find as many, if not more, repeats than new episodes aired since S2 started in Sept. I'm fed-up.

yeah without any kind of explanation as to why they are taking so long, its starting to get pretty crappy how they are presenting the show. if they just announced or had something out there like, becuase of weather conditions lost production has been stalled, or it just takes us two weeks to shoot every episode so we're sorry for the delay (which doesnt make sense given that season 1 progressed at a fairly fast rate without as many repeats), or even to say hey, its not us, its the network, we have the episodes, but just play it like good cop bad cop so the fans can still love lost but just be pissed at abc, but to just blindly keep showing repeats all season long...
my guess... is the shows popularity has killed its own production schedule. now all the cast members are "stars" and have other commitments or deals going on and so the production has slowed down to a crawl, simply because they cant get everyone they need there.

[ForeverAutumn]

yeah without any kind of explanation as to why they are taking so long, its starting to get pretty crappy how they are presenting the show. if they just announced or had something out there like, becuase of weather conditions lost production has been stalled, or it just takes us two weeks to shoot every episode so we're sorry for the delay (which doesnt make sense given that season 1 progressed at a fairly fast rate without as many repeats), or even to say hey, its not us, its the network, we have the episodes, but just play it like good cop bad cop so the fans can still love lost but just be pissed at abc, but to just blindly keep showing repeats all season long...
my guess... is the shows popularity has killed its own production schedule. now all the cast members are "stars" and have other commitments or deals going on and so the production has slowed down to a crawl, simply because they cant get everyone they need there.

I guess it would be hard to fire cast members and bring in new ones. Unless another plane or ship or balloon crashes on the island...wouldn't that make an interesting plot twist!

I just sent an email to ABC from their web site. I want to be counted as one of the Lost fans who are pissed...

What's the deal with all the reruns? I'm sure that I've seen as many S1 reruns since Sept. than I've seen S2 episodes. The constant reruns are ruining the show. I'm fed-up and just about ready to stop watching. What's the point, when it seems to be one new episode for every two old ones!! I used to wait for Wed. night with anticipation to see what would happen next. Now I really don't care anymore. Lost is the best show in years. Sadly, the only thing "lost" this year is its momentum.

Edit: I just found this on one of the Lost message boards. I don't know if it's correct or not...assuming it is, it looks like we'll get treated with a string of new epis in May.

3/8 - R
3/15- R
3/22- 2.16
3/29- 2.17
4/05- 2.18
4/12- R
4/19- R
4/26- 2.19
5/03- 2.20
5/10- 2.21
5/17- 2.22
5/24- 2.23 (2 hour finale)

[Kam]

I guess it would be hard to fire cast members and bring in new ones. Unless another plane or ship or balloon crashes on the island...wouldn't that make an interesting plot twist!

I just sent an email to ABC from their web site. I want to be counted as one of the Lost fans who are pissed...

What's the deal with all the reruns? I'm sure that I've seen as many S1 reruns since Sept. than I've seen S2 episodes. The constant reruns are ruining the show. I'm fed-up and just about ready to stop watching. What's the point, when it seems to be one new episode for every two old ones!! I used to wait for Wed. night with anticipation to see what would happen next. Now I really don't care anymore. Lost is the best show in years. Sadly, the only thing "lost" this year is its momentum.

Edit: I just found this on one of the Lost message boards. I don't know if it's correct or not...assuming it is, it looks like we'll get treated with a string of new epis in May.

3/8 - R
3/15- R
3/22- 2.16
3/29- 2.17
4/05- 2.18
4/12- R
4/19- R
4/26- 2.19
5/03- 2.20
5/10- 2.21
5/17- 2.22
5/24- 2.23 (2 hour finale)

if only all the revenue from the dvd's could go elsewhere, its like abc doesnt care whether they make their money now or make more on the dvd sales. say you dont watch the season but then plan on buying the dvd, or you'll watch the show without as much religious conviction and hopefully catch a new episode once every other month or so, but then get the dvd to actually watch it with some degree of continuity... well then they still make their money. it's a phenomenal show, and right now, they are really treating their fans pretty crappily with these non-stop repeats, am not blaming the creators at all, just cant stand how abc is treating the show.

although it looks like theyre gonna build some momentum going into the finale (hopefully) which is prolly why the schedule is the way it is, just string everyone along extremely slowly and time it right to build up during the may sweeps to impress the advertisers. rather than just start the season a little later and not show so many freakin' repeats.

[kexodusc]

if only all the revenue from the dvd's could go elsewhere, its like abc doesnt care whether they make their money now or make more on the dvd sales. say you dont watch the season but then plan on buying the dvd, or you'll watch the show without as much religious conviction and hopefully catch a new episode once every other month or so, but then get the dvd to actually watch it with some degree of continuity... well then they still make their money. it's a phenomenal show, and right now, they are really treating their fans pretty crappily with these non-stop repeats, am not blaming the creators at all, just cant stand how abc is treating the show.

although it looks like theyre gonna build some momentum going into the finale (hopefully) which is prolly why the schedule is the way it is, just string everyone along extremely slowly and time it right to build up during the may sweeps to impress the advertisers. rather than just start the season a little later and not show so many freakin' repeats.

Finally was loaned Season 1 on DVD a few weeks back...been hooked since episode 2. What a great show. To catch up, I've had to download the Season 2 shows and watch them on my laptop. Oh well.
I haven't had the misfortune of having to wait weeks in between new episodes, so I'm probably not as ticked off as you guys (actually, I still have the last 3 shows to watch tonight). I have to say, I don't believe Season 2 has lost a step at all, having watched them all fairly recently, back-to-back for the first time. Season 2 to me seems to be progressing much faster, the actual episodes are a bit more entertaining now for the most part because the characters aren't being given their own "development show". Season 1 dragged on for a bit in the middle.

Anyway, I took a look at all the release dates of Season 1, and Season 2 is actually copying the same pace as Season 1 did, assuming FA's tentative schedule is correct. Guess we can't complain. From what I've seen, it doesn't appear to be all that unusual when compared to some other drama series.

It's been hard not to read spoilers here...hopefully by tomorrow I can catch up on the last 2 pages of this thread and be up to date.

BTW - going by memory here, but the extas on the DVD's claim the writers already have the first 6 or 7 seasons written out...anyone believe that?

I have feeling they're just using a Ouija board to move this story along...But I do believe we're purposely being fed info by the "unreliable narrator", IMO.

Anyhoo...great thread everyone...looking forward to chiming in from week-to-week (or month-to-month, as it were).

[ForeverAutumn]

One of the explanations for the repeats on the Lost site that I was on this morning, said that this is normal. The TV season runs from Sept to May. Let's say we run from mid-Sept to mid-May...that's 35 weeks. But every show (not just Lost) only tapes 23 episodes per season. So we get 12 weeks of reruns or of the show not airing at all.

I'm a big fan of ER also. I watch faithfully every Thursday night. And there have probably been as many weeks off ER this season as there have been Lost. The difference is, ER doesn't need to maintain that same momentum as the episodes aren't nearly as intricately linked. So, if I don't see a new ER for a fews weeks...no biggie. But if I don't see a new Lost in couple of weeks, I lose that feeling of anticipation that is such a big part of the whole Lost viewing experience. Plus, I forget what's happened in the last episode, so I've lost that very important connection.

I think that ABC would be better off shortening the Lost season (start it in November) and playing fewer reruns.

[ForeverAutumn]

Finally was loaned Season 1 on DVD a few weeks back...been hooked since episode 2. What a great show. To catch up, I've had to download the Season 2 shows and watch them on my laptop.

Hey kex! Welcome to the official AR Lost Thread! Can't wait to hear some of your theories...

You pointed out that S2 is running along the same schedule as S1. That might be true. Maybe part of my problem is that I watched S1 in summer reruns, so there was a new
Epi every week and sometimes 2 epis in a week. Because the summer season is so much shorter than the regular season, even with doubling up episodes, there were still a few episodes that they skipped and I've had to watch on DVD. So maybe I became spoiled from watching it that way.

So, I watched S1 in a short timeframe and it rocked my world. I've watched S2 in drips and drabs since Sept and it's been a bit of a drag. I'll be that if I watch S2 again in summer reruns or on DVD I'll see it's strength, but right now it just seems so much weaker than S1 did.

[GMichael]

I'll have to agree with FA on this one Kex. This kind of show would do better to go back to the old fassion way. That is, show the 23 new episodes in a row. Then go back and show the best reruns after that.
Just MHO.
Then again, why mess with what seems to be working?

[topspeed]

I'll have to agree with FA on this one Kex. This kind of show would do better to go back to the old fassion way. That is, show the 23 new episodes in a row. Then go back and show the best reruns after that.
Just MHO.
Then again, why mess with what seems to be working?
Because it's not working. Lost was a Top 5 show last year, right behind Desparate Housewives. It's not even in the Top 20 now! You could get away with it during S1 because they would pretty well dedicate every episode to a single character and give you the backstory. Now that we have that info, they have been dedicating more to the overall story such as The Others, Walt's kidnapping, Claire's baby, etc. This is the type of show that snowballs. IOW, once it get's rolling, it gets bigger, faster, and harder to get out of it's own way. That's a good thing. FA has it right, they have killed all the momentum with this season, and apparently we're not the only ones getting fed up with it :mad5: !!

I don't buy the 23 episodes into 35 weeks bit. 24, another show built on momentum with a similar flowing storyline, it told uninterrupted until the finale. That's one of the things that makes it so great! If Fox can do it, so can ABC.

[Kam]

Because it's not working. Lost was a Top 5 show last year, right behind Desparate Housewives. It's not even in the Top 20 now! You could get away with it during S1 because they would pretty well dedicate every episode to a single character and give you the backstory. Now that we have that info, they have been dedicating more to the overall story such as The Others, Walt's kidnapping, Claire's baby, etc. This is the type of show that snowballs. IOW, once it get's rolling, it gets bigger, faster, and harder to get out of it's own way. That's a good thing. FA has it right, they have killed all the momentum with this season, and apparently we're not the only ones getting fed up with it :mad5: !!

I don't buy the 23 episodes into 35 weeks bit. 24, another show built on momentum with a similar flowing storyline, it told uninterrupted until the finale. That's one of the things that makes it so great! If Fox can do it, so can ABC.

if they thought it out, (albeit would require some serious planning) but they could do with all these reruns IF they said, Next Week: Repeat of the episode House of the Rising Sun WITH one bonus scene that will further explain a connection/issue/etc. kinda like a director's cut. i would gladly rewatch an episode with a bonus scene in it. but lost really isnt like any other show in that it is one continuous storyline. and shouldnt be treated like ER or any other drama. you're 24 analogy is perfect, and seriously if even Fox can figure out how to program a show (and they destroy programming for every great show) then abc should be able too.

[ForeverAutumn]

I don't buy the 23 episodes into 35 weeks bit. 24, another show built on momentum with a similar flowing storyline, it told uninterrupted until the finale. That's one of the things that makes it so great! If Fox can do it, so can ABC.

I agree completely. If it were working, we wouldn't be having this discussion. 24 was used as an example in the same explanation thread on the other site. The person wasn't saying that this was the way it should be, only that this is the way it is. The 24 season starts in January and runs straight through with no reruns. This is how Lost needs to be shown.

Let me at those ABC executives. Just lemme at 'em! (what? no smilie with boxing gloves?!)

[topspeed]

Let me at those ABC executives. Just lemme at 'em! (what? no smilie with boxing gloves?!)

I had a punching thingie for you, but it doesn't seem to be working now :confused:

Here's an interesting article with quotes from the producers regarding the re-runs. There's also some fun theories, including one that links the similarities between Henry (the captured Other) and the Wizard of Oz. How the hell this slipped by us, I dunno.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1173418_3_0_,00.html?cid=recirc|aolCelebrit y

BTW, welcome to our demented little corner of the forum, Kex!

edit: I have no f'ing idea why that link is screwed up when I post, but just put the "y" next to the "t" in celebrity and it should work

[kexodusc]

Watched ep 13 last night. Sawyer stole the guns...that dirty scoundrel.
Hopefully I'll catch up on th last 2 tonight.

I agree with you guys...the show would be better if it ran 23 consecutive weeks. And I bet ABC is keeping tabs on viewer feedback very closely. This kind of soap opera/drama needs continuity and rapid succession in story telling. Oh well, the next 2 months should be fun.

I don't have many theories as to what's going on here. To be honest, I've learned from experience a story like this that leaves the audience guessing, anticipating, begging for more, can never please everyone in the end. So I keep my expectations low, try not to guess too much so I don't set myself up for disappointment. All I know is that this is the first show in years (except for maybe 1 season of CSI) that I've watched that wasn't animated, didn't star Jerry Seinfeld, or didn't have Klingons in it...so I'm happy there's still some good TV on. (okay there's another - Canada has the best show I've seen in years called "Trailor Park Boys", but it's still relatively unknown back at home).

It comes in HD and Dolby Digital to boot! :cornut:

I'm still torn between whether the Island is part of another Area 51/Government Conspiracy project thing or, if it belongs with the supernatural/alien/twilight zone camp.
Maybe both?

I may have missed this awhile back in the thread...but has anyone been keeping tabs on some of the book titles we've or have been name dropped in the shows? Tons of classic sci-fi/supernatural thriller stories that this show borrows a lot from (besides Lord of the Flies of course). I think there might be clues there - I have a feeling the island might be a sort of Purgatory because of the last 2 book titles I saw were about guys that were dead but didn't know it, but it's been years since I've read "The Turn of the Screw" and "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge".
I took a campy sci-fi lit course back in university...and these were two of the novels I remember, both were told from the "unreliable narrator" perspective - where we're given information and we believe what we're watching is the truth, but later on it's revealed what we saw was just an illusion or misinterpretation from someone's perspective. Both of those were dead guy walking the earth/ghost story kind of books too...maybe the survivors are all dead, but in denial?

anyhoo, I could be way off reading more into that, but more food for thought.

[ForeverAutumn]

I haven't kept track of the books, but the level of obsession around here pales in comparison to some of the real Lost boards, where people take meticulous notes and watch the show frame by frame. I just don't have the time or energy to be that detailed.

If you check out some of the Lost boards, you may find a list of books and, I'm sure, comments about the books. But be warned...these message boards can be just as addictive as the show itself, especially the first few times you're there since there is just soooo much information to digest.

Here are a couple of Web sites that I've found to be particularly useful/interesting.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/ - lots of very interesting screen caps here.
http://www.lostlinks.net/ - I go here to see the trailers that are shown in the US, as they are often different than the trailers that we see here in Canada (even on the US networks).
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/ - this is my preferred discussion board for finding information.

There are also web sites for Oceanic Air, Driveshaft, The Hanso Foundation, Whatever that 60's band was that they kept showing the album cover of in one episode (can't remember the name). Most of these sites (especially the Oceanic Air site) have easter eggs hidden in them.

Kex...you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into. :ihih:

[GMichael]

I haven't kept track of the books, but the level of obsession around here pales in comparison to some of the real Lost boards, where people take meticulous notes and watch the show frame by frame. I just don't have the time or energy to be that detailed.

If you check out some of the Lost boards, you may find a list of books and, I'm sure, comments about the books. But be warned...these message boards can be just as addictive as the show itself, especially the first few times you're there since there is just soooo much information to digest.

Here are a couple of Web sites that I've found to be particularly useful/interesting.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/ - lots of very interesting screen caps here.
http://www.lostlinks.net/ - I go here to see the trailers that are shown in the US, as they are often different than the trailers that we see here in Canada (even on the US networks).
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/ - this is my preferred discussion board for finding information.

There are also web sites for Oceanic Air, Driveshaft, The Hanso Foundation, Whatever that 60's band was that they kept showing the album cover of in one episode (can't remember the name). Most of these sites (especially the Oceanic Air site) have easter eggs hidden in them.

Kex...you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into. :ihih:

Poor Kex. Wasn't it bad enough that he had the hook in his mouth? Did you have to give the line a tug?

[ForeverAutumn]

I had a punching thingie for you, but it doesn't seem to be working now :confused:

I figured that's what that little red X in a box was. Thanks for trying. :)


Here's an interesting article with quotes from the producers regarding the re-runs. There's also some fun theories, including one that links the similarities between Henry (the captured Other) and the Wizard of Oz.

You know, I don't know why I didn't make this connection before...for Christmas I recieved a copy of the book The Mysterious Island, by Jules Verne. The book was written in the mid-1800's. It's about a group of escaped convicts who escape by hot air balloon and get caught in the mother of all storms. The storm sweeps the balloon to god-knows-where, and they end up stranded on an island where strange things happen. I haven't read the book yet, so I don't know what strange things. I won't ruin the ending for you but, apparently, there is a logical explanation for everything (which I accidently stumbled upon while reading the Introduction in the book :incazzato: . I guess that the publishers figured that anyone reading a book that is 150 years old, probably knows the ending by now...only I didn't).

Anyway, my point is...could there be a connection between Henry's balloon ride and the balloon ride that lands Verne's convicts on their island?

I can't wait to read this book. I'm just finishing up a course that I'm taking and the minute that my exam is over, I'm cracking open The Mysterious Island!

[Kam]

i did see a list of books and synopsis of them on one of those sites (they are very addictive!) and some things that i found interesting, was it is generally sawyer who is the source of the books, and one of the early books he was reading, was Watership Down, and a good number of the other books all had some sort of the 'unreliable narrator' thing going on.

kexo, i thought i read somewhere that the creators have said that the purgatory theory isnt accurate, that might be the only theory they've commented on, but i'm not positive, i've been reading so much stuff on it from 'unofficial' sites that i dont know what's real anymore (other than the numbers, i'd never betray you my beautiful numbers... my precious.....)

so... back to reality... (relatively speaking) the balloon Oz connection is huge!! could they have inadvertantly captured the head Other?? although him being gone for 2 days, i would imagine the Other army would march on the losties in full force to get him back UNLESS.... (my latest in a long line of useless theories) he wanted to be captured, he LET himself be captured by rousseau because he knew exactly what would happen. He'd be inside with the Losties and could cause further mischief (he seems very Loki-esque for those fans of norse mythology).
i also like the rapture idea and have had similar theories (i think) in the past. that the island is a microcosm of our world.

[ForeverAutumn]

Watership Down is one of my all-time favourite books. I read it every four or five years. It's on deck for sometime this summer. Not becaue of the Lost connection, just because it's time to read it again. WD is about a society (albeit rabbits) who is displaced and on the move to find a new home and rebuild their lives by creating a new society. I can certainly see the connection with Lost, especially since the book was introduced early in S1, when the Losties were contemplating how to survive and create their own new society.

Kex....don't read any further in this post if you haven't watched the last two episodes yet!!!!!
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If Henry is an Other, I don't think that his capture was accidental. Could Henry be Zeke??? That stuff that Kate found in the locker in the third bunker looked an awful lot like Zeke's beard and clothes.

[ForeverAutumn]

Poor Kex. Wasn't it bad enough that he had the hook in his mouth? Did you have to give the line a tug?

Yeah, I really did.

BWAAHAAAAHAAAAA

[GMichael]

Yeah, I really did.

BWAAHAAAAHAAAAA

Does that make you an "evil woman"?

When is the next new episode? Getting tired of recording re-runs.

[Kam]

If Henry is an Other, I don't think that his capture was accidental. Could Henry be Zeke??? That stuff that Kate found in the locker in the third bunker looked an awful lot like Zeke's beard and clothes.

i thought "zeke" was the guy talking to ethan outside claire's room... when there's that knock on the door and ethan walks outside and talks to someone who we dont really see, but briefly (without any beard or makeup on) it sure sounded like his voice matched "zeke's" voice too. add on that beard and makeup to his face, and i thought that was him.
although i remember (again my shoddy memory) something where it was said they will find the balloon he supposedly came in in the next episode.... although might be another red herring....

[GMichael]

Man, I get a creepy feeling that show's writers are @$#%ing with us in some of these shows. That look in Sawyer's eyes in ep 13 when he told Kate "It's all in the details"....I got a gut feeling, I dunno, but it's almost like the writers are talking to us.

The subtle hints like the book titles, the coincidental, almost subliminal repeated mention of the numbers...all these things are put there for a reason ( I think).
Or maybe they're just red herrings. That'd be even more diabolic...

I think the purgatory theory is the easy way out, so I'm not surprised if that's been debunked by the creators.

Maybe the Island just acts like a giant tuning fork for channeling psychic abilities? All the weird crap that Walt pulled in Season 1. The convenience of finding Desmond, Rousseau, etc. All the creepy coincidences. The survivor's thoughts are making all this stuff happen.

And what's up with Locke walking? Did we ever confirm that he was legit crippled and that it wasnt' all psychosomatic (as in he was doing it to himself)?

What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?
What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?
What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?
What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?
What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?
What the H.ll are you doing? Get your finger stuck on the trigger?

[ForeverAutumn]

i thought "zeke" was the guy talking to ethan outside claire's room... when there's that knock on the door and ethan walks outside and talks to someone who we dont really see, but briefly (without any beard or makeup on) it sure sounded like his voice matched "zeke's" voice too. add on that beard and makeup to his face, and i thought that was him.
although i remember (again my shoddy memory) something where it was said they will find the balloon he supposedly came in in the next episode.... although might be another red herring....

I forgot about the guy talking to Ethan. I think you're right. Besides, Henry doesn't look or sound anything like Zeke. And besides, Jack would have recognized him. I was just thinking out loud.

Kex...I know this is exciting, but really...control yourself man!

[kexodusc]

I don't know what the hell happened there....I got an error message, came back from lunch and bang....There were 5 dozen replies...I'll clean 'em up.

Okay...not creep anyone out...but there were exactly "8" of those posts...
Weird....

[Kam]

I forgot about the guy talking to Ethan. I think you're right. Besides, Henry doesn't look or sound anything like Zeke. And besides, Jack would have recognized him. I was just thinking out loud.

Kex...I know this is exciting, but really...control yourself man!

that's the key though about the fake beard/makup!! why disguise yourself from a complete stranger?? i dont think jack is a complete stranger to zeke. i think the connections go even further back in time than just the current crop of losties to each other, but like the jack/desmond connection. i bet we'll start up with losties/others connections now, most probably with Henry and someone in the next episode, where maybe the Other knows of the connection, but the Lostie doesn't, or at least is not AS aware of the connection.

[Groundbeef]

Just was watching a NBC show a couple of days ago, and they were promoing some new detective/crime drama. And it appears that one of the lead female actresses is Rameriez (sp) the helper for Jacks army. One would suppose that she will be killed off shortly, as I don't imagine ABC giving the go ahead for her to work for another network while on LOST.

Also, wondering if her second DUI is going to affect her work. She could be in for some serious trouble if it messes up her terms for her probation in LA for DUI.

Anyways, did anyone else see the NBC promo?

[Groundbeef]

Ok, forget the last post. I got on NBC and looked up the new shows. It is called Heist, and they had a clip you could play. It IS NOT Remierez from LOST. My bad, sorry about that, but at least I got it cleared up.

[Kam]

Hallelujah!!! A new episode!!! finally can see how the red herring of sun's pregnancy plays out... dream? could it be michael's? or.... strangely (or, given where they are, not so strangely) could it be an immaculate conception???

[ForeverAutumn]

Hallelujah!!! A new episode!!! finally can see how the red herring of sun's pregnancy plays out... dream? could it be michael's? or.... strangely (or, given where they are, not so strangely) could it be an immaculate conception???

So here's what my TV Guide says about tonight's episode...

Sun wrestles with the thought of telling Jin a newfound secret that threaten's to upset the entire balance of the survivor's community.

I'm willing to bet that the secret IS NOT Sun's pregnancy. That's too easy. I hate the part in the trailer where Sun goes to Sawyer and asks for a pregnancy test. Who the hell travels with pregnancy tests?!! If he ends up having one, that came out of the plane crash, that'll just make this show too unbelievable for me. :rolleyes5:

The Canadian network that airs Lost is the same network that airs American Idol. Because of a scheduling conflict they are showing Lost at 8:00 tonight. So I can either watch it at 8:00 on CTV or at 9:00 on ABC. Or....both! WooHoo!!!! :biggrin5:

Don't worry, I won't post any spoilers! Teeheehee.

[GMichael]

I'm willing to bet that the secret IS NOT Sun's pregnancy. That's too easy. I hate the part in the trailer where Sun goes to Sawyer and asks for a pregnancy test. Who the hell travels with pregnancy tests?!! If he ends up having one, that came out of the plane crash, that'll just make this show too unbelievable for me. :rolleyes5:
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Haven't you ever seen Gilligan's Island. If the Professor can make a nuclear reactor out of coconut shells, then Sawyer should be able to pull a pregnancy test out of his....

Woops, forgot this was a public forum.

[Kam]

I'm willing to bet that the secret IS NOT Sun's pregnancy. That's too easy. I hate the part in the trailer where Sun goes to Sawyer and asks for a pregnancy test. Who the hell travels with pregnancy tests?!! If he ends up having one, that came out of the plane crash, that'll just make this show too unbelievable for me. :rolleyes5:


yes... right... i see.... THAT'S what would make the show slip over into the realm of unbelievable... apparently these dharma guys can bring a group of people who are so esoterically connected to an island that contians a strange smoke monster, polar bears, black stallions, intelligent, reborn boars, an ancient ship, strange psychological experiments, and far reaching conspiracies that stretch the fabric of space and time including having one man win the lottery and buy a box company that another passenger on the plane happens to work for as well as a doctor who chose not to operate on the father of another passenger on the plane as well as a conartist who ran into the father of that doctor in bar in australia as well as the father of one passenger happened to run into another passenger during Gulf War1... BUT.... someone better not have been travelling with a pregnancy test on that plane when Sun thinks she might be pregnant because THAT would be too much of a coincidence... :D

just pullin' yer leg! :):):) nuttin' but luv for ya FA!!!! :)

[ForeverAutumn]

yes... right... i see.... THAT'S what would make the show slip over into the realm of unbelievable... apparently these dharma guys can bring a group of people who are so esoterically connected to an island that contians a strange smoke monster, polar bears, black stallions, intelligent, reborn boars, an ancient ship, strange psychological experiments, and far reaching conspiracies that stretch the fabric of space and time including having one man win the lottery and buy a box company that another passenger on the plane happens to work for as well as a doctor who chose not to operate on the father of another passenger on the plane as well as a conartist who ran into the father of that doctor in bar in australia as well as the father of one passenger happened to run into another passenger during Gulf War1... BUT.... someone better not have been travelling with a pregnancy test on that plane when Sun thinks she might be pregnant because THAT would be too much of a coincidence... :D

just pullin' yer leg! :):):) nuttin' but luv for ya FA!!!! :)

I'm glad ya caught that Kam. I was hoping that someone would.

[ForeverAutumn]

Okay Lost producers, I forgive you. C'mon you knew that I couldn't hold a grudge. :)

What a great episode! And next week's looks even better. Okay, I'm back on the hook...reel me in.

First off, I would like to thank Kate for her comment, "Who flies with a pregnancy test?". Obviously the writers knew that would be a bone of contention. Who?, indeed.

Now, my observations...

Sawyer reading Are You There God, It's Me Margaret totally cracked me up. For those not familiar with the book, it's about a 13-year-old girl reaching puberty and getting her period for the first time. It was all the rage when I was 12! Given that this episode was about pregnancy, I can see the relation to the book. But having Sawyer, of all people, reading it, was just too funny!

In the back story Jin comments that "A baby will change everything". I immediately thought of previous comments like "everything's about to change".

Locke and Jack were talking while AL was in the room with Henry, and Locke had the Geronimo Jackson album on his lap.

I loved AL's comment, "Jack and Locke are too worried about Locke and Jack".

And Henry's little story about what he would do if he were one of them. Hmmmm. I can understand his cynicism, but if I were him and I was telling the truth, I'm not sure that I would want to rock that boat. It's pretty obvious that the people keeping him hostage are walking on tightropes and, as he said, have trust issues. I think that I would just stick to my story and, otherwise, keep my mouth shut. But that wouldn't make for very interesting TV.

Great writing in this episode. My love affair has been renewed.

[Kam]

yeah that was a solid episode!

ok... so... that look on sun's face after she hugged jin at the end... ??? what was that all about?? right after she swore she hadnt been with any other dude and that he said it was a miracle... all happy smiles and then...? that odd look?

and i think the "who flies with a pregnancy test" question is going to come back up... like maybe it was ana lucia's? or shannons? or maybe even kate's?

henry... i think there's something there, he's playing way too much of a game to be a normal person in that situation. i think he is the head other. this is the classic kaiser soze treatment he's giving them with everything but the club foot. and what he didnt say about what he would do IF he was an Other but is obvious by his actions... devide and conquer. they cant win either way now, so they find the balloon and maybe even the grave of a woman... what does that prove? that the Others killed a woman who arrived in a balloon... what else?

and when having breakfast, he wasnt acting like someone inquisitively would to wonder what everyone else knew... he was testing them. seeing that they didnt know anything, and rubbing that in their face. (i.,e. the obvious... i'm sure they would ask tons of questions... but to whom?)

and they had a nice set up for a future romance between AL and sayid... now that'll be a firey one!

[ForeverAutumn]

yeah that was a solid episode!

ok... so... that look on sun's face after she hugged jin at the end... ??? what was that all about?? right after she swore she hadnt been with any other dude and that he said it was a miracle... all happy smiles and then...? that odd look?

I just assumed that the look meant that she had lied to Jin about not being with another man. Jin's pride couldn't handle the truth, but it would allow him to believe that "it's a miracle" even if he knew, deep down inside, that it was impossible.


and i think the "who flies with a pregnancy test" question is going to come back up... like maybe it was ana lucia's? or shannons? or maybe even kate's?

Nah, I think that they knew that people like me just wouldn't buy it. Although, I did write down the name of the manufacturer in order to look it up on the internet later. :biggrin5:


henry... i think there's something there, he's playing way too much of a game to be a normal person in that situation. i think he is the head other. this is the classic kaiser soze treatment he's giving them with everything but the club foot. and what he didnt say about what he would do IF he was an Other but is obvious by his actions... devide and conquer. they cant win either way now, so they find the balloon and maybe even the grave of a woman... what does that prove? that the Others killed a woman who arrived in a balloon... what else?

and when having breakfast, he wasnt acting like someone inquisitively would to wonder what everyone else knew... he was testing them. seeing that they didnt know anything, and rubbing that in their face. (i.,e. the obvious... i'm sure they would ask tons of questions... but to whom?)

I totally agree with you there. He's definately playing a game with them.


and they had a nice set up for a future romance between AL and sayid... now that'll be a firey one!

I wouldn't like to see that one. It's just too cheesy. Sayid falling in love with the woman who killed his previous girlfriend. Besides, I think that they're too much alike to have a romance. I can see them ending up friends and trusting each other to watch each other's backs. The opposite of the relationship developing between Locke and Jack. Sayid and AL could be very strong allies.

And here's another thought of mine that occured during this episode. I thought that there was no more food left in the hatch. I thought that Hurley had distributed it all to the Losties in the episode where he took inventory of it. But, here's Jack and Locke and Henry munching on Dharma cereal. And here's Hurley munching on a chocolate bar from his hidden stash. Why have a hidden stash if there's still food in the hatch? Or, doesn't Hurley know that there's still food? Wouldn't everyone on the beach want some? Is this from Locke and Jack's hidden stash? And.......what's in the food? Mood altering drugs? The antibodies to the "sickness"? Something that Hanso Industries is testing? Or, am I just getting paranoid? If I had a hidden stash of Dharma cerial, I wouldn't be sharing it with someone who I suspected was my enemy.

Hmmmmm...... :confused5:

[Kam]

yeah i guess sayid/AL would make a better aliance than romance.

but one thing these idjets i work with brought up is this... the question between AL and jack..
after she says, if that's allright with you (about questioning henry tomorrow) jack says, "dont worry, i didnt tell anyone."
i took that to mean AL was taking a jab at him with her "alright with you" comment as in. "thanks-for-letting-me-in-on-this" and his response was meaning, look i didnt tell anyone about henry so dont think i was trying to exclude you. but everyone here seems to think that he was referring to something else? any thoughts?

[Kam]

and now for my extreme paranoia kams-taking-it-TOO-far thought... maybe it was my contact lenses or something, but the opening "LOST" title... now it generally only comes into focus for just a fraction of a second as it goes back out of focus, but last night, i noticed a little ripple in the T of LOST as it spun towards us... now, NORMALLY i'm not this insanely paranoid about every little nuance BUT with this show, how could you not be?? did anyone notice that or was it just a glitch in time warner cable?

[GMichael]

yeah i guess sayid/AL would make a better aliance than romance.

but one thing these idjets i work with brought up is this... the question between AL and jack..
after she says, if that's allright with you (about questioning henry tomorrow) jack says, "dont worry, i didnt tell anyone."
i took that to mean AL was taking a jab at him with her "alright with you" comment as in. "thanks-for-letting-me-in-on-this" and his response was meaning, look i didnt tell anyone about henry so dont think i was trying to exclude you. but everyone here seems to think that he was referring to something else? any thoughts?

Or there's more to the conversation these two had before the flight than we have been let in on.

IMO Jin and Sun both know that there's no miracle going on. She didn't even tell him how she learned English yet. More to come here.

Henry is an other. They can't do anything about it yet until Al & friends get back. If they get back. If he was not an other it would be stupid to screw with the people holding his life in their hands. But, this does seem obvious. Maybe too obvious. Maybe he's just a clueless idiot? No, I go with "other."

Ditto on, "yeah I guess sayid/AL would make a better alliance than romance."

Good episode. And another new one next week?! What a treat.

[GMichael]

and now for my extreme paranoia kams-taking-it-TOO-far thought... maybe it was my contact lenses or something, but the opening "LOST" title... now it generally only comes into focus for just a fraction of a second as it goes back out of focus, but last night, i noticed a little ripple in the T of LOST as it spun towards us... now, NORMALLY i'm not this insanely paranoid about every little nuance BUT with this show, how could you not be?? did anyone notice that or was it just a glitch in time warner cable?

I'll have to check that tonight.

[ForeverAutumn]

yeah i guess sayid/AL would make a better aliance than romance.

but one thing these idjets i work with brought up is this... the question between AL and jack..
after she says, if that's allright with you (about questioning henry tomorrow) jack says, "dont worry, i didnt tell anyone."
i took that to mean AL was taking a jab at him with her "alright with you" comment as in. "thanks-for-letting-me-in-on-this" and his response was meaning, look i didnt tell anyone about henry so dont think i was trying to exclude you. but everyone here seems to think that he was referring to something else? any thoughts?

I interpreted that scene differently Kam. Although your explanation also makes sense. I thought that AL's comment to Jack "if that's alright with you", was to show Jack that she was still on his side and not taking orders from Locke. Jack's comment back, that he didn't tell anyone, was his way of saying that this is a secret and asking her not to tell anyone. I didn't hear him say "don't worry". I only heard, "I didn't tell anyone". I'll have to go back and check exactly what words they both used.

As for the wavering T. Well...I'll check my tape...but I think that you're trying to dig too deep my friend. But like you say, you just never know with this show.

The Canadian preview showed AL, Sayid and Charlie finding a balloon hanging in the trees. Not that that necessarily means anything....

[ForeverAutumn]

Henry is an other. They can't do anything about it yet until Al & friends get back. If they get back. If he was not an other it would be stupid to screw with the people holding his life in their hands. But, this does seem obvious. Maybe too obvious. Maybe he's just a clueless idiot? No, I go with "other."


I still don't think it's that simple. But I am loving the conflict that he's creating. Cudos to the writers for coming up with some very good lines for Henry. Short, to the point, and creating some great psychological mind games. I love that kind of stuff! And I'm not familiar with the actor, but he's doing a great job. I give him my Best Actor on Lost award.

[Kam]

I interpreted that scene differently Kam. Although your explanation also makes sense. I thought that AL's comment to Jack "if that's alright with you", was to show Jack that she was still on his side and not taking orders from Locke. Jack's comment back, that he didn't tell anyone, was his way of saying that this is a secret and asking her not to tell anyone. I didn't hear him say "don't worry". I only heard, "I didn't tell anyone". I'll have to go back and check exactly what words they both used.

As for the wavering T. Well...I'll check my tape...but I think that you're trying to dig too deep my friend. But like you say, you just never know with this show.

The Canadian preview showed AL, Sayid and Charlie finding a balloon hanging in the trees. Not that that necessarily means anything....

ah ok, i like that interpretation too. but they (the 'others' at my work) seem to think that his "i didnt tell anyone" was referencing something else entirely. i thought it was pretty obvious they were both referring to henry being in the hatch, and whether AL was either taking a dig at jack for not trusting her with the info, OR like you said, letting jack know she still deferred to him over locke... either case they are referring to the situation with henry and his 'i didnt tell anyone' was referencing henry in the hatch.


by the way... "Henry Gale".... is the name of Dorothy's Uncle in the Wizard of Oz. i know there was an oz reference about the balloon, but did anyone pick up on this?? and found some more interesting theories on Henry... he is thomas's uncle. (thomas being aaron's father)

[ForeverAutumn]

ah ok, i like that interpretation too. but they (the 'others' at my work) seem to think that his "i didnt tell anyone" was referencing something else entirely. i thought it was pretty obvious they were both referring to henry being in the hatch, and whether AL was either taking a dig at jack for not trusting her with the info, OR like you said, letting jack know she still deferred to him over locke... either case they are referring to the situation with henry and his 'i didnt tell anyone' was referencing henry in the hatch.


by the way... "Henry Gale".... is the name of Dorothy's Uncle in the Wizard of Oz. i know there was an oz reference about the balloon, but did anyone pick up on this?? and found some more interesting theories on Henry... he is thomas's uncle. (thomas being aaron's father)

You have 'Others' at work? :yikes:

You LOST me. hehehe. Is Henry's last name Gale? I didn't catch his last name. On a Wizard of Oz note, pretty cool that Dorothy's uncle was named Gale...as in gale winds...as in tornado. Get it?

I didn't catch the Wizard of Oz reference, but there were comments to that effect on one of the Lost boards. I didn't understand them...I guess because I missed the reference. And I don't have the episode on tape anymore.

Suddenly I have a strong urge to listen to Dark Side of the Moon. :lol:

[Kam]

You have 'Others' at work? :yikes:

You LOST me. hehehe. Is Henry's last name Gale? I didn't catch his last name. On a Wizard of Oz note, pretty cool that Dorothy's uncle was named Gale...as in gale winds...as in tornado. Get it?

I didn't catch the Wizard of Oz reference, but there were comments to that effect on one of the Lost boards. I didn't understand them...I guess because I missed the reference. And I don't have the episode on tape anymore.

Suddenly I have a strong urge to listen to Dark Side of the Moon. :lol:

yeap, he gave his name as henry gale in his first appearance, which again, normally sure it can be a 'coincidence' to have the name of a character in a book, but c'mon... guy claims to have landed on the island with a balloon AND his name just happens to coincide with Dorothy's Uncle's name from wizard of oz.... next they'll have locke catching an other named Holden Caulfield eating a rye sandwhich....

[topspeed]

I did write down the name of the manufacturer in order to look it up on the internet later.


the opening "LOST" title... now it generally only comes into focus for just a fraction of a second as it goes back out of focus, but last night, i noticed a little ripple in the T of LOST as it spun towards us... now, NORMALLY i'm not this insanely paranoid Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell :out:
j/k

OK, what was with Sun's look when she hugged Jin and did anybody else think that when she told him "I have something I have to tell you...", she was going to reveal that she had an affair with her english tutor? Clearly there was something going on there, after all she was ready to board a plane to leave Jin. BTW, I had no idea Jin was such a d!ck. I thought he was a pretty cool fisherman's son, but that all changed when he asked Sun if she had known about the scar tissue before they got married. Ooh, that one hurt.

When the trio spread out into the bush looking for the balloon, the first thing that came to my mind was "Ambush!" They do have a gun (clever foreshadowing there by the writers), but we know the Others do as well. Henry's definitely one of the Others. I really hope Sayid makes it back, because I want to see what he's going to do that manipulative toad.

Good episode and even better, it's going to be followed by another new episode :yikes:! That's about as rare as a comet sighting these days.

[Kam]

Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell :out:
j/k



hehehe.

it's funny.... cuz it's true. :D

[ForeverAutumn]

Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell :out:

You know, I was thinking something similar last night as I reached over to grab a pen and paper from by the phone to take notes. Take notes! From a fictional TV show. Even at the height of my X-Files obsession, I never actually took notes.


BTW, I had no idea Jin was such a d!ck. I thought he was a pretty cool fisherman's son, but that all changed when he asked Sun if she had known about the scar tissue before they got married. Ooh, that one hurt.

Didn't you just love her response? "Yes, that's right, I lied to trap the son of a fisherman". Boy, did he ever deserve that! One for Sun. :thumbsup:

[Kam]

You know, I was thinking something similar last night as I reached over to grab a pen and paper from by the phone to take notes. Take notes! From a fictional TV show. Even at the height of my X-Files obsession, I never actually took notes.



Didn't you just love her response? "Yes, that's right, I lied to trap the son of a fisherman". Boy, did he ever deserve that! One for Sun. :thumbsup:

totally, BUT... that's the best part of his character, that he has an arc to go through. and its the "why" behind his actions is understandable, if not condoneable as the best possible behaviour, but heck, i dont know what its like to be in his shoes. he desperately wants that baby because that baby means his own safety (to him at least) in that with a baby around, his father-in-law wont want to send him on the dangerous thuggish missions. obviously he's been under a lot of stress having to beat people up all the time, so that violence carries over as much as he tries to insulate sun from it, he still shoves it in her face at times. that was defn one time. although yes... her response was ssssssssharp!
just wanted to stick up for Jin, even though he has been a jerk, he did replant the garden!! oh and sawyer calling sun 'sunshine'... classic.

[kexodusc]

totally, BUT... that's the best part of his character, that he has an arc to go through. and its the "why" behind his actions is understandable, if not condoneable as the best possible behaviour, but heck, i dont know what its like to be in his shoes. he desperately wants that baby because that baby means his own safety (to him at least) in that with a baby around, his father-in-law wont want to send him on the dangerous thuggish missions. obviously he's been under a lot of stress having to beat people up all the time, so that violence carries over as much as he tries to insulate sun from it, he still shoves it in her face at times. that was defn one time. although yes... her response was ssssssssharp!
just wanted to stick up for Jin, even though he has been a jerk, he did replant the garden!! oh and sawyer calling sun 'sunshine'... classic.

Sorry I'm late, didn't catch it until yesterday (thank heavens for PVR's).

Jin's character is really starting to intrigue me. Here's a guy who sold his soul to be with the woman he loved.
Remember he had all the pride and integrity in the world when he let that poor boy pee in the hotel...then consequently quit his job when his employer bad mouthed poor people.

But for the woman he loved, he'll sell his soul to Sun's father. Working for his father-in-law clearly was changing him. He wasn't happy, he was sick. But sacrificing himself for his wife.
The baby wasn't just about change for him, it was his salvation. His one escape. Learning Sun was incapable of having children closed the door on his future. He was trapped. So naturally there was outrage.
Yeah, he was stressed alright. So his jerkish out-breaks are understandable in that regard. I don't think he's hit Sun yet, but it'll be interesting to see how far he goes (or has gone). That guy has some demons.

The island seems to have afforded him a 2nd chance at life. He's not such a bad guy. Just the opposite. His honor and promise to Sun's father is what's destroying him in the first place. Yup, this is classic story writing. There's a fine line between heroes and villians, sometimes it's the desire to do good that leads a character down the wrong path.
(damn, now that I think of it, Jin is freakin' Anakin Skywalker).

Damn, the characters on this show are killer!

I love Sawyer's comments on the Judy Blume book too when asked how it was... "Predictable".

Charlie's little gun fake on Anna Lucia was priceless too. Damn that guy's good. He's my favorite Lost actor. Him and Sawyer. Selling sleaze as an actor is tough.

As for Henry. Well, he could be an other, but that's too easy. But there's definitely more to him than we know. He's definitely been the best guest on the show.

Great show. Next week's looks even better.

Did anyone else catch Locke say "There's a man in MY hatch, and I want him out of there"?
His hatch? Locke's losing it, man.

[Kam]

everyone on the show is just so well developed...i keep switching who i think is the best because they just keep adding on so many layers.. or rather, reveal so many layers that are already there, so well written!!!
and what i loved in the first season which they are only now starting to get back to doing, is the whole 'partial reveal' of the character's story. the best example was the jin/sun background story the first time they showed it. that was pure brilliance. where they showed sun's side first, and jin just came across as this monumental jackass thug punk ahole (when she busts in on him in the bathroom and hes washing blood off his hands, etc.) and then like 2-3 weeks later they showed the jin backstory and his side of those events and then... bam! you love the guy and feel like a fool for hating him all this time. they've been doing that with sawyer a lot too, but they keep flip flopping the viewers emotions on him... making him a ahole, then giving you the understanding behind it, then back to ahole, then love him, then ahole... its great.

it really does seem like the island is a '2nd chance' opportunity for everyone, not that this is some mystical property of the island, but basic human nature as well, its almost like a fresh start, like an ability to start your life over, a 'reset' button, if you will. its getting to the point where it seems like these guys might not want to be rescued off the island.... although the whole Others-and-smokey-monster-imminent-death-on-any-day thing isnt the best home situation.

and i did pick up on that locke quote.. especially since there was a visible switch during that conversation. earlier he said "in THE hatch," and then the second time he said "in MY hatch, and I want him out of there."

you know what could be very interesting with henry gale... is if he is yet another "force" on the island... if his story actually is completely true (the balloon, dead wife, etc.) but his backstory is something completely different from there's (ala rousseau)... that he is not an Other, but maybe something else entirely. the "sickness" effected him in a different way then it did rousseau. maybe the sickness (and loss of alex) just amde rousseau a weird, hermit, esoteric nutjob, but turned henry into having delusions of grandeur... that he truly is the wizard of oz type character. since the wizard didnt belong in Oz any more than dorothy did. the wizard was never a part of Oz, and i dont think henry is a part of the island either, at least not in the same way the Others are a part of the island. Which means (absolutely nothing but) that the "He" that ethan and zeke were referring to outside of claire's room has not been revealed yet... the master Other... hanso?

and what in the hay is going on with michael/walt??? when are they bringing that storyline back??

[topspeed]

Dammit Kex, just when I'm sure Jin is an a-hole, you bring up some very good points :mad:. Now I have to rethink everything again!


and what in the hay is going on with michael/walt??? when are they bringing that storyline back??I've been wondering that for weeks. At least they did a little bit with Rose and her husband again. It seemed like they sailed off into the sunset after their reunion!

[ForeverAutumn]

it really does seem like the island is a '2nd chance' opportunity for everyone, not that this is some mystical property of the island, but basic human nature as well, its almost like a fresh start, like an ability to start your life over, a 'reset' button, if you will. its getting to the point where it seems like these guys might not want to be rescued off the island

That's very interesting. From a sociological standpoint that, on it's own, would be an interesting experiment. So, what reasons can we find for people to not want to return to their lives...

Kate - She's the easiest. She was being returned to the US to be tried for murder. She had a life in jail to look forward to. I don't care how many monsters are on the island, being free on an island sure beats being some monster's ***** in jail.

Jack - His wife left him. He turned his dad in to the medical board, then his dad ran off, got drunk and died...yeah, I'd say that Jack may have some issues that he doesn't want to return to face.

Hurley - He may be rich, but money hasn't brought him happiness. He's cursed (or so he thinks) and he lost his best friend. And we still don't know anything about why he was in a mental institution.

Sawyer - Another one who's likely hiding from the Law.

Sun and Jin - Neither one of them were happy in their previous lives. They seem to be finding a renewed love for each other. Jin is happier away from Sun's father and Sun is happier because Jin is happier and treating Sun better.

Charlie - he's away from drugs and has a fresh drug-free existance.

Sayid - We really don't know all that much about him yet. We need more Sayid back stories. What was he doing in Sydney???

Claire - Again, not really sure but I'm sure that Aaron has something to do with her being better off on the island. Could it be that she ended up keeping the baby?

Locke - He was in a wheelchair and now he can walk. He worked for a box company and his co-workers laughed at him. Now he's a pretty powerful guy on the island and people look up to him. It's like being a nerd in school, then being transferred to a new school and falling in with the cool kids.

Ana-Lucia, Echo, The Professor, Gilligan, and the rest - need more info.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

[Kam]

So far, everyone (other than michael) has taken an incredibly passive stance on getting off the island. it doesnt even seem like anyone has tried to even figure out some sort of rescue flare system, watch the skies, watch the horizon, or anything to get them off the island. in fact, since the opening fires on the beach, there has been NO attempt to have any sort of signal, and noone has been doing anything to build another raft, or even to build a signal raft to send off to sea with what information they have, like sending empty bottles with notes in them or ANYTHING to get off that island. they've all definitely begun to fall into a pattern of life-on-the-island. albeit its been about 2 months... but still... so far, doesnt seem like anyone really wants to be rescued.

[GMichael]

With some of the hot babes they have on the island, who would want to be "rescued?"
Anyone for a swim?

[ForeverAutumn]

I think that there has to be some sort of interaction with the Swan Station and the outside world. Not only are the washer and dryer obviously new, but when Hurley was taking inventory of the food he said that there was enough food to feed one man three meals a day for three months. Desmond had been there for three years. I find it hard to believe that he started with a three year food supply! And what would happen to him when he ran out of food in three months? Someone still has a vested interest in making sure that button gets pushed. And that someone is supplying the Station with food and other necessities.

Guess I nailed that one, huh? An air drop of food to the island. Very interesting indeed. Was the lockdown to ensure that whoever is in the hatch can't get outside to see where the food is coming from?

WHO IS HENRY GALE???????
(both of them)

There definately has to be some sort of connection between Sawyer and Locke's father. That they are both conmen is way too coincidental. There are no coincidence's on Lost.

And how about Locke's legs getting stuck under the wall. Okay, first of all, you managed to lift the wall with a crowbar earlier, so why didn't Henry just try to do it again so that Locke could slide out? I understand that he's injured but they didn't try very hard to free Locke IMO. The first thing that I though of when that door came down on Locke's legs was that you can't cheat Fate. Locke couldn't walk before he got to the island. Maybe his fate is to not be able to walk and he's cheating fate now by walking. I wonder how long that will last? ...a little foreshadowing by the writers here, perhaps?

And last but certainly not least....what the hell was on the wall! And why did it appear? Did it have anything to do with the food drop? All that I could make out clearly in the short time that they showed it was a question mark right in the middle. And because Lost fanatics are, indeed, fanatics...no time was wasted in posting a screen print of it on-line. Here's the link, http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg.

Edit: It looks like a map of the six Dharma stations with an arrow saying "I Am Here" pointing to the Swan. But the big question is...what's that question mark in the middle. And....what are all the little notations around the map. We need a closer look!

[Kam]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh minkey!!! that was a good one! nice call on the food drop, i am sure one of my 4,000 theories will soon come to fruition now!

that screenshot is great, the center of the island.... the group is closest to the swan station, they found two other stations... so now all the translations will being as to what he has written... so the "i am here" is pretty obvious... and am guessing not desmond, would he have ben there long enough to compile that much information? maybe the guy desmind worked with in the hatch (forgot his name already)...
and.. right above the "cu" of cubit... does that say "Possible CV II - inactive since accident" somebody has definitely been busy.... great... now am gonna stare at this all night. THANKS!
:D

well them not pushing the wall back up i could understand with locke's obsession on the button, that would take priority over wasting any time to get the wall up off of him.

great episode, really liked it, and really interesting with the henry gale reveal at the end and, even more importantly... NEW EPISODE AGAIN NEXT WEEK!!!! wooohooo!!!

[Kam]

henry gale: the oz analogy continues to a T (i think). the wizard lands in oz and takes on the personna of the wizard. this guy lands on the island and takes on the personna of henry gale of minnesota. the question is... why? is he an Other? that might be too easy, but then again, given how difficult they've made the show, maybe they're due for a 'gimme'. but i doubt it. is he something else? do we have yet another faction on the island? and... could he possibly be related to roussea's party? she was adamant to sayid that he would be lying. she KNEW in her eyes that he would lie for a long time before sayid got to the truth.. now why would she know that? (yes, i know she's crazy and that could be a part of it too, but crazy people are like animals, they can tell when someone is truthful or not) (ok that was horrible to say, but i think i read it somewhere)

[ForeverAutumn]

Who is Nadia? This was the woman that Locke was talking to after inspecting her home. He said something about her and her husband getting a nice house and she responded along the lines of, "if I had a husband...".

Everyone over at Lost-TV is freaking out over seeing Nadia. Am I supposed to know who she is? She's important enough to get a screen cap.... http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/nadia.jpg

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

[Kam]

Who is Nadia? This was the woman that Locke was talking to after inspecting her home. He said something about her and her husband getting a nice house and she responded along the lines of, "if I had a husband...".

Everyone over at Lost-TV is freaking out over seeing Nadia. Am I supposed to know who she is? She's important enough to get a screen cap.... http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/nadia.jpg

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

hmmmm the name doesnt ring a bell... but she could be another tangent relation to someone on the island... has anyone had an 'almost wife'... and where is locke again in the states? arizona?

[Kam]

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

yeap... and there were two that landed, and they made a point of showing both... landing just a few minutes apart...maybe to let us know there is another oceanic flight? another island? no... no i'm stopping the madness right there!

[ForeverAutumn]

right above the "cu" of cubit... does that say "Possible CV II - inactive since accident" somebody has definitely been busy.... great... now am gonna stare at this all night. THANKS!
:D


It's hard to know what that says. The last word being "accident" makes sense, but when I look at it I think that it could be "occasion" also. The creaters are very smart. They knew that we would be all over that map like a bunch of hungry Losties on a food drop! :D

Edit: I just discovered that I can enlarge the image. That definately says what Kam suggests. And in the top left-hand corner is the word "incident". My guess is that at some point, we'll get another glimpse of this map with some of the images a little clearer. I think that we're on a "need to know" basis here and we're only gonna get little bits of this at a time.

[ForeverAutumn]

What was the name of the woman that Sayid was supposed to kill but instead helped escape? Was that Nadia?

[Kam]

What was the name of the woman that Sayid was supposed to kill but instead helped escape? Was that Nadia?

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

[kexodusc]

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

Ok, that's 2 excellent back-to-back episodes with a promising 3rd one next week.

What the heck did we just see?

Was the drop package related to the delayed pressing of the button? (I believe the sirens had expired before Gale pressed it, the lights went ultraviolet and we say that cool map).

That map that Henry drew for Sayid and gang, anyone have a shot of that? I have a feeling we could superimpose it over the glowy wall map. Who draws a perfect map, anyway? Was that wall map radiation or something?

That Henry guy knows something, alright. I don't think he's on Other, but maybe he's after the same thing they are though?

So there's 4 discovered stations, and 2 missing ones? In an octagon? I'm stumped.

Season 2 has definitely passed Season 1 in terms of coolness now.

So let's recap...we've got a crashed ship (Rousseau's), a 2nd crashed ship (The Black Pearl) a crashed balloon, a crashed plane (two if you count Mr. Echo's brother's plane) so far all on that island. How did Desmond get there again?

[Kam]

well the only thing i picked up from the announcement on the intercom system was a countdown with the woman's voice. after the countdown, the walls dropped. i thought i picked up something along the lines of "everyone proceed to..." something-or-other. and then the countdown and then the "lockdown" ("lockedown"). then, (as fake-henry said) everything went dark for 10 seconds and then the lights came on. now there are certain inks that will only show up under blacklight, so it wasnt anything radiation related (i dont think, also see the Gone in 60 Seconds with nick cage, when they write the car names on the wall so it shows up with the blacklight). and i dont think that that was put there by dharma, but by one of the inhabitants of the hatch trying to figure things out.... (ala desmond) or, who knows. haha.

desmond, if i remember correctly, was on some worldwide catamaran type trip when his ship struck the island in a storm. some sort of solo-sail-around-the-world type deal.

the drop is interesting because noone heard a plane pass over the island. fine it was dark, so they wouldnt see it if it was flying with lights out, but it would still make noise? unless it wasnt a jet plane? the other big news is then... dharma is going on in "our" world here away from the island. it couldnt be entirely automated right? someone flew that plane and dropped the supplies. i'd have to say this is WAY more intricate than the stanford prison experiment.

[Kam]

ooooooooooooo i just got chills!! you're right!!! that's her!!!

wait... he helped two women in iraq i thought? or maybe it was just one. but i know he was helping the cia or whoeever in australia to get the information as to where nadia was. that was why he was on that plane, he was heading to the US to see her. but i cant remember if that was the same insurgent woman who he was supposed to torture but helped escape, or if nadia was his longtime love who he knew before that girl?

[kexodusc]

well the only thing i picked up from the announcement on the intercom system was a countdown with the woman's voice. after the countdown, the walls dropped. i thought i picked up something along the lines of "everyone proceed to..." something-or-other. and then the countdown and then the "lockdown" ("lockedown"). then, (as fake-henry said) everything went dark for 10 seconds and then the lights came on. now there are certain inks that will only show up under blacklight, so it wasnt anything radiation related (i dont think, also see the Gone in 60 Seconds with nick cage, when they write the car names on the wall so it shows up with the blacklight). and i dont think that that was put there by dharma, but by one of the inhabitants of the hatch trying to figure things out.... (ala desmond) or, who knows. haha.

desmond, if i remember correctly, was on some worldwide catamaran type trip when his ship struck the island in a storm. some sort of solo-sail-around-the-world type deal.

the drop is interesting because noone heard a plane pass over the island. fine it was dark, so they wouldnt see it if it was flying with lights out, but it would still make noise? unless it wasnt a jet plane? the other big news is then... dharma is going on in "our" world here away from the island. it couldnt be entirely automated right? someone flew that plane and dropped the supplies. i'd have to say this is WAY more intricate than the stanford prison experiment.

Well, I suppose a plane could have dropped the package from super-duper high altitudes. You don't always hear a jet if it's flying at 30,000 ft plus. But damn, that's some drop accuracy.

Maybe it was launched by rocket trajectory and used the 'chute to land within a certain radius?

Did Desmond use the computer to communicate with the outside like that old film reel said shouldn't be done? There was a significant amount of time delay in between the sirens ending, the UV lights engaging and things coming back on. I don't believe he told the truth and merely entered the numbers as per instruction.

[Kam]

Well, I suppose a plane could have dropped the package from super-duper high altitudes. You don't always hear a jet if it's flying at 30,000 ft plus. But damn, that's some drop accuracy.

Maybe it was launched by rocket trajectory and used the 'chute to land within a certain radius?

Did Desmond use the computer to communicate with the outside like that old film reel said shouldn't be done? There was a significant amount of time delay in between the sirens ending, the UV lights engaging and things coming back on. I don't believe he told the truth and merely entered the numbers as per instruction.

fake-henry totally did something with the computer (i think you meant fake-henry, not desmond). if someone has the episode, can check, but i thought waaay more than 58 seconds passed between when the siren stopped, the walls went back up, and locke crawled into the computer room to see the timer JUST flip from 108 to 107. which means henry might have typed the #s in, but also something else, since it didnt reset immediately (unless my timing is off and it works fine). PLUS... he knew those #'s, someone rattles off 6 random #'s to me in a stressful situation ONCE, and i know am not gonna have them memorized just like that. he may not be an Other, but he knows the #s. and he knows something about dharma. maybe "walt" talked to him on the pc too? they really got to tie that storyline back in soon.

[GMichael]

fake-henry totally did something with the computer (i think you meant fake-henry, not desmond). if someone has the episode, can check, but i thought waaay more than 58 seconds passed between when the siren stopped, the walls went back up, and locke crawled into the computer room to see the timer JUST flip from 108 to 107. which means henry might have typed the #s in, but also something else, since it didnt reset immediately (unless my timing is off and it works fine). PLUS... he knew those #'s, someone rattles off 6 random #'s to me in a stressful situation ONCE, and i know am not gonna have them memorized just like that. he may not be an Other, but he knows the #s. and he knows something about dharma. maybe "walt" talked to him on the pc too? they really got to tie that storyline back in soon.

Don't forget thjat FH also fell, hit his head, passed out, woke up later, and still remembered the numbers.

[kexodusc]

Whoops, yeah, I meant Fake Henry...That greasy evil bastard.

[Resident Loser]

...an astrophysicist named Henry Gale...and it was Dorothy's uncle's name, not the 'zardoz's...the old hob-nobber was Professor Marvel...

Given Locke's position and the fact that one of the doors' pins or spikes was embedded in his leg, I doubt he would have been in any position to provide the strength or leverage to raise it...

Who was the food drop for? Them or the others? Done with a glider?

Maybe Fake Henry didn't do anything...Wasn't it dark at that point? I mean those older CRT screens with few illuminated characters and a black or green background don't provide a lot of ambient lighting to really see the keyboard...add to that the panic factor...perhaps since the food drop and the door drop may have been connected, the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?

Was the plane shot down? Was it hit by a supply delivery rocket? Is it all Fed-ex's fault?

jimHJJ(...will Hurley hurl from the rocks?...)

[GMichael]

...an astrophysicist named Henry Gale...and it was Dorothy's uncle's name, not the 'zardoz's...the old hob-nobber was Professor Marvel...

Given Locke's position and the fact that one of the doors' pins or spikes was embedded in his leg, I doubt he would have been in any position to provide the strength or leverage to raise it...

Who was the food drop for? Them or the others? Done with a glider?

Maybe Fake Henry didn't do anything...Wasn't it dark at that point? I mean those older CRT screens with few illuminated characters and a black or green background don't provide a lot of ambient lighting to really see the keyboard...add to that the panic factor...perhaps since the food drop and the door drop may have been connected, the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?

Was the plane shot down? Was it hit by a supply delivery rocket? Is it all Fed-ex's fault?

jimHJJ(...will Hurley hurl from the rocks?...)

Is Forest Gump somewhere on the island?

[Resident Loser]

Is Forest Gump somewhere on the island?

...Robinson Crusoe?

jimHJJ(...tell ya' on Friday...)

[topspeed]

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Great, great episode. Locke backstories are always awesome, although he had the mother of bad days! Losing your father, even if he is an a**hole (DeSoto didn't even thank him!), and your girlfriend/fiance in the same 5 minute span...hoo boy!

OK, question time:

1) Jack was in Thailand. Sawyer was in Thailand. Why? You just know they were both there at the same time. Also, this is the first we've had a real good look at Jack's tat, which even Sawyer noted. What is it and what does it mean? The poker episode was far too prevalent in the episode to be for naught. Jack's response as to why he didn't ask for the guns, "When I need the guns, I'll get the guns." was absolutely priceless.

2) Henry isn't Henry, unless of course he suddenly contracted Michael Jackson's pigment disease. So who is he, and who was the real HG?

3) The map. Clearly a diagram of what looks to be an underground, interlocking structure. Please tell me someone here can translate what looks to be latin. I gotta say, that whole scene was one of the coolest reveals this show has pulled so far. Locke pinned under the very door with a incandescent map, that's just great writing!

4) Locke's father nets $700k on a retirement scam. Very Sawyerish, eh? Kate could also have some ties into this as well. Lord knows she's no angel.

Man, I just loved that episode and the trailer for next week looks terrific too!

[Resident Loser]

...on the door could be grafitti from the Roman army...

It's latin and loosely translated is:

Sursum corda: Lift your hearts...

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse: I think we're on the same wavelength...

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest: It's a bad plan that can't be changed...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons...

Ut sit magma, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est: The wrath of the gods may be great, but it is certainly slow...

jimHJJ(...pax vobiscum...)

P.S. Missed one... Aegrescit mendendo: the cure is worse than the disease...

[ForeverAutumn]

...Robinson Crusoe?

jimHJJ(...tell ya' on Friday...)

Remember this at the final episode, years from now....it's Captian Nemo.

Mark my words.

:ihih:

[kexodusc]

...on the door could be grafitti from the Roman army...

It's latin and loosely translated is:

Sursum corda: Lift your hearts...

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse: I think we're on the same wavelength...

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest: It's a bad plan that can't be changed...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons...

Ut sit magma, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est: The wrath of the gods may be great, but it is certainly slow...

jimHJJ(...pax vobiscum...)

P.S. Missed one... Aegrescit mendendo: the cure is worse than the disease...

I continue to be amazed at the wealth of talents or very own Resident Loser has...

kexodusc
(...I think he has a shoe-phone, too) :ihih:

[ForeverAutumn]

the test subjects would have been unable to enter the code and there is an auto reset for such an eventuality...all the PA noise and flashing lights might be a Dharma red herring to cover the fact, causing the occupants to surmise all the fireworks essentially re-booted the systems, to think no further, to simply count their lucky stars and to follow their directive re: code entry...of course that raises the question as to why it would be necessary to keep volunteers to the project in the dark, as it were, during a scheduled drop. That doesn't make sense...if you are of a mind to re-supply, shouldn't someone on the island have an idea of where to find the delivery?


I think that you're on to something here. Assume there is no Fake-Henry in the hatch. Locke is in there alone. The doors/walls come down, closing Locke into the living area and away from the computer. If Locke doesn't realize that he can crawl through the vents into the computer area (or is physically unable to do so), how does the button get pushed? What happens if it isn't pushed? Do the doors/walls coming down suspend the need for the button? We know that it doesn't suspend the countdown. You would think that whoever was running this show (and by "show" I mean the Dharma experiment), would time the lockdown so that there was no risk to the button being pushed. The walls should come down just after 108 and back up before 0. It just doesn't make sense that the walls coming down would risk the integrity of the button. Something isn't right here. Is it a flaw in the story line? Or will this miss-step amount to something?

[ForeverAutumn]

Is there any way that the food drop could have been done by balloon? :eek:

[kexodusc]

I think that you're on to something here. Assume there is no Fake-Henry in the hatch. Locke is in there alone. The doors/walls come down, closing Locke into the living area and away from the computer. If Locke doesn't realize that he can crawl through the vents into the computer area (or is physically unable to do so), how does the button get pushed? What happens if it isn't pushed? Do the doors/walls coming down suspend the need for the button? We know that it doesn't suspend the countdown. You would think that whoever was running this show (and by "show" I mean the Dharma experiment), would time the lockdown so that there was no risk to the button being pushed. The walls should come down just after 108 and back up before 0. It just doesn't make sense that the walls coming down would risk the integrity of the button. Something isn't right here. Is it a flaw in the story line? Or will this miss-step amount to something?

Hmmm, interesting theory folks.

I'm guessing that voice that was picked up might be the clue here. Perhpas the lockdown was triggered by another source, another Dharma bunker on the island somewhere? But what's the purpose of the lockdown then? What are the blast doors protecting against?

[ForeverAutumn]

Here's something else to mull over. The map had six Dharma Stations on it. Four are solid lines, two are made from dotted lines. Why? Do two of them no longer exist?

How many have the Losties found? Three? The Swan, the one the Tailies were in and the medical station. Is that all?

[kexodusc]

Here's something else to mull over. The map had six Dharma Stations on it. Four are solid lines, two are made from dotted lines. Why? Do two of them no longer exist?

How many have the Losties found? Three? The Swan, the one the Tailies were in and the medical station. Is that all?

Maybe those dotted lined stations haven't been found yet, hence the question mark in the photo on one, and the fact it doesn't have a line drawn to it like the others in the Pentagon shape.

Notice how there's one scribbled out, and that there appears to be one at almost every corner of the Octagon shape? Curious....

[ForeverAutumn]

Maybe those dotted lined stations haven't been found yet, hence the question mark in the photo on one, and the fact it doesn't have a line drawn to it like the others in the Pentagon shape.

Notice how there's one scribbled out, and that there appears to be one at almost every corner of the Octagon shape? Curious....

That map JPG link has gone through a serious overhaul since last night. When I first posted the link it was just a screen print of what was on the wall. But now, someone's done an awful lot of work to decipher it. Here's the link again so that you don't have to go back to the previous page...

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

Kex, my first response to you was going to be that if the dotted line stations haven't been found then how would whoever draw the map know that they were there? But on second thought (so many possibilities!) it's possible that the person was guessing. The Orientation Video did say that there were six stations, so maybe the locations of two dotted line stations are guesses based on the locations of the other four.

[Resident Loser]

I continue to be amazed at the wealth of talents or very own Resident Loser has...

...reading is the easy part, translating is a whole nother thing...and while I could continue to bask in the (undeserved) glory, I must confess that although I was subjected to at least 12 years of Roman Catholic services celebrated in latin and actually studied it for three years in high school, Cicero I'm not...

Hic sunt dracones: Here be dragons... is something I picked up from an interest in old maps (really,really old) and their artwork...

Pax vobiscum: Go in peace...from that Catholic upbringing...

Cogito ergo deleo: I think therefore I am depressed...I'm more familiar with the phrase upon which this is based...Cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I am...the philisophical statement of one of the cornerstones of western rationalism, Rene Descartes (1596-1650)...and trust me, I'm much more comfortable (and familiar) with the following than with actual philosophy and philosophers:

The Philosopher's Song

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table

David Hume could out consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates, himself, was permanently pi$$ed...

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill

Plato they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram
And René Descartes was a drunken f@rt
"I drink, therefore I am"

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pi$$ed

jimHJJ(...the internet can actually be of some value at times...)

[topspeed]

Good Googly Moogly, Jim! You speak Latin! :yikes: Will wonders ever cease?

So tell us, oh knowlegeable one, what does the one in the center of the map say?
Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum
Something about not going against an agenda? Inquiring, and apparently less educated, minds want to know!

FA,
Ooh, I like the balloon drop idea! Could the real HG have been there dropping off a supply parachute?

The new map is crazy, too. Cerberus, isn't that a mythological dog or something? Maybe this is where they were doing experiments on animals, which might explain why there is a polar bear and black stallion here. There are notes of zooligical research and gene therapy. The tyrannasaurus thingie that ate the pilot must be the "dracones" they are referring to, no?

BTW, note the "final resting place of Magnus Hanso, Blackrock." Wasn't something hidden under black rocks, too? Was it Charlie's drugs? Hurley's food? A letter for telling Red how to find Andy in Mexico?

[kexodusc]

Good Googly Moogly, Jim! You speak Latin! :yikes: Will wonders ever cease?

So tell us, oh knowlegeable one, what does the one in the center of the map say?
Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum
Something about not going against an agenda? Inquiring, and apparently less educated, minds want to know!

FA,
Ooh, I like the balloon drop idea! Could the real HG have been there dropping off a supply parachute?

The new map is crazy, too. Cerberus, isn't that a mythological dog or something? Maybe this is where they were doing experiments on animals, which might explain why there is a polar bear and black stallion here. There are notes of zooligical research and gene therapy. The tyrannasaurus thingie that ate the pilot must be the "dracones" they are referring to, no?

BTW, note the "final resting place of Magnus Hanso, Blackrock." Wasn't something hidden under black rocks, too? Was it Charlie's drugs? Hurley's food? A letter for telling Red how to find Andy in Mexico?

I take a peep at that map and it's gone postal on me. I wonder if 20 years from now Losties will be as fondly remembered as Trekkies are?

I wonder if the show's producers/writers ever expected the collective intelligence of millions of viewers using employer resources to decipher the messages in that map?

[Kam]

woh that's eerie... i thought cerberus was the 3 headed dog that guarded the gates of hell so the dead couldnt leave... and they've got a "primary nexus of cerberus related activity"??? the island has a gate to hell!? snap!

and it just keeps getting better: there was a Dharmatel Telecom Services (the link to their website is now been changed to some gaming site). used for long distance phone communication. ("Dharmatel Telecom Services - providing direct phonecalls and Callback Services" - off of a google search a former netherlands phone company. is "hanso" dutch?)

the weather project stuff might relate to the balloon and the original Henry Gale. anyone have a screenshot of that drivers license?
edit: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/galeLicense.jpg

[ForeverAutumn]

The new map is crazy, too. Cerberus, isn't that a mythological dog or something? Maybe this is where they were doing experiments on animals, which might explain why there is a polar bear and black stallion here.

And let's not forget the Shark with the Dharma symbol on it's back, that attacked Sawyer in season one.


BTW, note the "final resting place of Magnus Hanso, Blackrock." Wasn't something hidden under black rocks, too? Was it Charlie's drugs? Hurley's food? A letter for telling Red how to find Andy in Mexico?

Didn't Danielle say something about her collegues being scientists? Could Hanso have been one of the passengers on her ship, the Black Rock?

[Resident Loser]

Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum...

...when we find bad breath we kill it...

Almost a Yogi-ism...It ain't over 'til it's over... or..it isn't done 'til the paperwork is done...or more accurately:

Do not consider that anything has been done if anything is left to be done.

All these things are motto's more or less, like tempus fugit almost idioms...sorta' like Ben Franklin's "F@rt proudly"

jimHJJ(...du it on mon dei...)

[Resident Loser]

...Henry Gale and a balloon...now that's a horse of a different color...balloon drops supplies...the god's drop the balloon? and he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead...HG musta' been an earlier drop, surely our intrepid adventurers wooda' seen the signal light before this...they musta' moved away from the bonfire at night now and again...if Toto shows up, I'm outta' here...

jimHJJ(...'tis a puzzlement, said the king...)

[ForeverAutumn]

and he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead

LOL. If they find a yellow brick road somewhere, I am so done with this show!

Speaking of Toto...what happened to Walt/Shannon/Michael's dog? We haven't seen the ol' pooch around in a while. That dog is bad luck anyway. Everyone who's looked after him so far has disappeared or died.

How long has it been since the Fusies found Desmond and the Hatch? We know that it was around 48 days when the Tailies reached the Fusies camp. How long has it been since then? Let's say that they've been in the hatch somewhere between four and six weeks now. Desmond's three month supply of food would be getting down to pretty slim pickin's. So the timing for a food drop, according to Hurley's math (and we know he's good with numbers :lol: ), is just right.

[Resident Loser]

Speaking of Toto...what happened to Walt/Shannon/Michael's dog?

...dog spelled backwards is god...

jimHJJ(...and on that note...)

[ForeverAutumn]

...dog spelled backwards is god...

Now that's deep. :yesnod:

[GMichael]

Now that's deep. :yesnod:


Well... uh.... I.....
Awh... skip it.

[topspeed]

...when we find bad breath we kill it...


Bwaahahaahah!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Resident Loser]

...who Jack met in the Aussie stadium and was training for the marathon or whatever, who turned out to be the guy who captured Kate and Locke in the hatch...didn't he say he had a partner who died and left him a solo hatchling...could the so-called deceased be fake Henry?

jimHJJ(...????...hhmmmm...)

[kexodusc]

...who Jack met in the Aussie stadium and was training for the marathon or whatever, who turned out to be the guy who captured Kate and Locke in the hatch...didn't he say he had a partner who died and left him a solo hatchling...could the so-called deceased be fake Henry?

jimHJJ(...????...hhmmmm...)

This is my wife's theory too...and a pretty good one. Why tell us Desmond had a hatch-buddy if not to introduce him later?

And what the heck happened to that Desmond feller, anyway?

[ForeverAutumn]

This is my wife's theory too...and a pretty good one. Why tell us Desmond had a hatch-buddy if not to introduce him later?

And what the heck happened to that Desmond feller, anyway?

Calvin. That was his name. Desmond mentioned him to explain how Desy himself ended up in the hatch. I don't believe that there's some sinister plot to revive the dead. I think that Desmond just needed to provide an explanation of how he ended up in the hatch and why he was there alone. Why lie about Calvin dying? If he ran off like Desmond did, why not just say so?

[Kam]

This is my wife's theory too...and a pretty good one. Why tell us Desmond had a hatch-buddy if not to introduce him later?

And what the heck happened to that Desmond feller, anyway?

i think he's forest gump-ing it around the island. he took off like a bat out of hell and we havent seen him since. i thought he said his hatch-mate's name was kevin or keith? or something like that, have to go back and check. i dont think dead-henry was ever part of the hatch, i think fake-henry is either an Other or the beginnings of yet another force on the island, maybe more directly related to the dharma psyche projects since he seems really good at pushing people's buttons.

i thought desmond said when he crashed onto the island, the guy kevin/keith/etc. brought him in to the hatch, so he was already there? not sure why he'd poke out of the quarantine if i remember correctly, but they didnt land on the island together. whoever it was that was in the hatch before Desmond and that died/desmond killed/ etc. since we havent heard about what that guys fate is other than through desmond, who might not be the most reliable source either.

[Kam]

Calvin. That was his name. Desmond mentioned him to explain how Desy himself ended up in the hatch. I don't believe that there's some sinister plot to revive the dead. I think that Desmond just needed to provide an explanation of how he ended up in the hatch and why he was there alone. Why lie about Calvin dying? If he ran off like Desmond did, why not just say so?

calvin! i knew it was a "k" sound!
something defn happenned though to calvin as desmond wasnt too forthcoming with the circumstances of his death, which... given the circumstances, is understandable.

[ForeverAutumn]

calvin! i knew it was a "k" sound!
something defn happenned though to calvin as desmond wasnt too forthcoming with the circumstances of his death, which... given the circumstances, is understandable.

Wow, I barely had time to blink before you responded to that post. I'm not saying that the circumstances aroung Calvin's death won't be suspicious, I just believe that he's really dead. On what do I base that belief? On absolutely nothing.

[Resident Loser]

...Desmond didn't know diddly and simply deduced Calvin's disappearance as his demise...maybe the mousy little character just freaked...or maybe Desmond chased him off for some yet unrevealed reason and didn't want to upset his visitors with the truth...maybe real Henry was the partner and had nothing to do with the balloon...

jimHJJ(...maybe...)

[kexodusc]

You guys will get a kick out of this...

My wife is abandonning me for 6 months while she completes her Master's degree at Monash University in Melbourne.

She booked her trip today, and returns home December 22, on Qantas flight 0815. Melbourne to LA, (not direct though).

I'm not making this up!!!

For some reason, she didn't find any humor in my telling her I was taking out additional life insurance on her...:ihih:

Y'don't suppose....naahhhhh!!!

edit: - okay, it appears I've been the victim of a practical joke by my wife's travel agent (she e-mailed me a copy of the "modified itinerary" with the bogus flight number in it....but the jokes on them - the real flight number is QF408....close enough!!!

[GMichael]

I hate Quantas........

[Kam]

You guys will get a kick out of this...

My wife is abandonning me for 6 months while she completes her Master's degree at Monash University in Melbourne.

She booked her trip today, and returns home December 22, on Qantas flight 0815. Melbourne to LA, (not direct though).

I'm not making this up!!!

For some reason, she didn't find any humor in my telling her I was taking out additional life insurance on her...:ihih:

Y'don't suppose....naahhhhh!!!

edit: - okay, it appears I've been the victim of a practical joke by my wife's travel agent (she e-mailed me a copy of the "modified itinerary" with the bogus flight number in it....but the jokes on them - the real flight number is QF408....close enough!!!

woh... it doesnt arrive at 3:16PM does it? then i'd get a leeeeeeetle bit worried... :D

[kexodusc]

woh... it doesnt arrive at 3:16PM does it? then i'd get a leeeeeeetle bit worried... :D

No...I'll have to read the whole thing later...I bet everyone who flies that route looks extra hard for any possible coincidental association. Oh well.

GM - bad experiences???

[Kam]

No...I'll have to read the whole thing later...I bet everyone who flies that route looks extra hard for any possible coincidental association. Oh well.

GM - bad experiences???

...'coincidental association'..... hello?!? i dont think you're obsession has reached unhealthy levels just yet! you need a lil more dharma powered brainwashing... there are no coincidences.... everything happens for a reason...

:D

whew... just scared myself there for a sec...

[GMichael]

No...I'll have to read the whole thing later...I bet everyone who flies that route looks extra hard for any possible coincidental association. Oh well.

GM - bad experiences???

Nope, comercial flashbacks.

[ForeverAutumn]

You guys will get a kick out of this...

My wife is abandonning me for 6 months while she completes her Master's degree at Monash University in Melbourne.

She booked her trip today, and returns home December 22, on Qantas flight 0815. Melbourne to LA, (not direct though).

I'm not making this up!!!

For some reason, she didn't find any humor in my telling her I was taking out additional life insurance on her...:ihih:

Y'don't suppose....naahhhhh!!!

edit: - okay, it appears I've been the victim of a practical joke by my wife's travel agent (she e-mailed me a copy of the "modified itinerary" with the bogus flight number in it....but the jokes on them - the real flight number is QF408....close enough!!!


LMAO!!! That's brilliant!!

ooooh, only seven more minutes to go!!

[Kam]

i knew she'd be in the insane asylum too!!! that was awesome!!!!! so well done AND still left it open to all be a part of hurley's psyche... or, even cooler, a combination of both their psyche's... since each one of them was on each side of the island, they have everything 'covered'.
so freakin' good... so what is the reality? are we in hurley's head? libby's head? both their heads?
loved it... and another new episode next week! so good. :):)
and i still think fake-henry is the head Other... he's channelling kaiser soze like its no one's business.

[Kam]

btw.... something we shoulda brought up from last episode i just realized... in Lockdown... before the blastdoors dropped on the speaker system where the noise/voice was coming out from, there was feedback. which means i microphone plugged in to the same amplifier that is powering those speakers is in the hatch, and connected and transmitting? correct? what else would cause that feedback?

[topspeed]

OK, now I'm more confused than ever!

Are we in Hurley's head? Why was she in the nut house, too? Did anyone else think Dave was waaay too easy to pick up as a imaginary character (too much Sixth Sense in that one)?

As for FH, I loved watching him squirm as he tried to back track out of his lies. I think you're right, Kam. FH could very well be the head Other. Next week looks good, let's see! :)

[kexodusc]

OK, now I'm more confused than ever!

Are we in Hurley's head? Why was she in the nut house, too? Did anyone else think Dave was waaay too easy to pick up as a imaginary character (too much Sixth Sense in that one)?

As for FH, I loved watching him squirm as he tried to back track out of his lies. I think you're right, Kam. FH could very well be the head Other. Next week looks good, let's see! :)

Another good one...

Yeah, FH was very obvious to pick up, but to be fair, we've all seen that story played on film/tv several times over in recent years, so we've been looking for it. I don't think it was suppose to be a big secret, we knew Hurley had psych problems, and who shows up in a bath robe on a jungle island?

FH could be the head Other...several shows back, were we not presented with the notion that the assumed bearded head-other was wearing a fake beard? Like when Claire was in that other Dharma station?

When FH was saying "He'll kill me" he was using "He" with a capital "H" like one would when describing a deity.

[ForeverAutumn]

Another good one...

Yeah, FH was very obvious to pick up, but to be fair, we've all seen that story played on film/tv several times over in recent years, so we've been looking for it. I don't think it was suppose to be a big secret, we knew Hurley had psych problems, and who shows up in a bath robe on a jungle island?

FH could be the head Other...several shows back, were we not presented with the notion that the assumed bearded head-other was wearing a fake beard? Like when Claire was in that other Dharma station?

When FH was saying "He'll kill me" he was using "He" with a capital "H" like one would when describing a deity.

I'm not sure that FH is the head Other. He appears, to me, to be a very angry man. First of all, when the bearded guy was mentioned as the "head" Other, FH almost spit out the words, "Him? He's NOTHING!". He seemed almost offended that they thought Zeke could be the head honcho. And his comment about "God can't even see us on this island" just doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that someone in charge would say. His attitude is very resentful. Not just resentful and angry at the Losties for the way that they've treated him, I think it goes much deeper than that. Angry at fate for how his life has turned out...for putting him on the island in the first place.

Okay, here's a couple of observations from last night's episode.

Dave...yeah pretty obvious from the beginning that Hurley was losing it. Dave only appeared when Hurley was eating so it wasn't too hard to make the connection that Dave was the devil sitting on Hurley's shoulder.

Charlie made a polar bear reference that was pretty funny. When Hurley asked Charlie and Echo if they had seen a man in a robe carrying a coconut, Charlie responded, "no, but I saw a polar bear on rollerblades with a mango". :lol:

So, we can add Hurley to the list of Losties that have killed someone....

Kate = step-father, boyfriend, man who offered her a ride, marshall (okay so he died in the plane crash, but he wouldn't have been on the plane if not for Kate.
Sawyer = man who he thought was original Sawyer
Jack = patient (the guy with the beautiful daughter. He didn't kill him intentionally, but is still, in some ways, responsible).
Sayid = How many? We don't know.
Hurley = Two people were killed when a deck collapsed after he stepped onto it.

I've seen lots of theories on the internet linking the whole Lost situation to something in Hurley's mind in the hospital. We know that the producers/writers/et al are reading the chat rooms and discussion boards to see what everyone is saying. So, I think that this episode was just a teaser to those people who believe that theory. I don't think that the whole Lost thing will end up being a figment of Hurley's imagination. It's too obvious, and it's too early in the life of the show to start giving away clues of that magnitude. But I sure can't wait to see Libby's back story now!!!

Back to Fake-Henry...We finally find out what happened when FH went to push the button last week. There was a "lound clunking and hum like a big magnet". HOW THE HELL WOULD HE KNOW THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE A MAGNET?????? If I heard a big clunking and hum, I would never connect that sound to a magnet. I'm not sure what I would think, but magnet would not be the first thing to come to my mind. He knows more than he's letting on. He also said, "I'm done lying". Does that mean we'll find out the truth of who he is next week? I suspect that we're leading up to some sort of big season finally that will have something to do with the presence of FH.

On that same topic, if FH didn't push the button and nothing happened, then what does that mean for Locke? Having that button to push has given Locke's existence some meaning on the island. Locke took ownership of the button and the hatch pretty quickly and it gives him a feeling of power and purpose. How will Locke react if that power and purpose was only a facade? He won't be important anymore. He'll be just like everyone else and I don't think that he'll handle that very well.

Last thing...cudos to Kam for pointing this out last week....in the Canadian preview we see Bernard (Rose's husband) saying, "Have you forgotton that we crashed on this island? It's like none of you want to go home again!". :yikes:

[GMichael]

I'm not sure that FH is the head Other. He appears, to me, to be a very angry man. First of all, when the bearded guy was mentioned as the "head" Other, FH almost spit out the words, "Him? He's NOTHING!". He seemed almost offended that they thought Zeke could be the head honcho. And his comment about "God can't even see us on this island" just doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that someone in charge would say. His attitude is very resentful. Not just resentful and angry at the Losties for the way that they've treated him, I think it goes much deeper than that. Angry at fate for how his life has turned out...for putting him on the island in the first place.

Okay, here's a couple of observations from last night's episode.

Dave...yeah pretty obvious from the beginning that Hurley was losing it. Dave only appeared when Hurley was eating so it wasn't too hard to make the connection that Dave was the devil sitting on Hurley's shoulder.

Charlie made a polar bear reference that was pretty funny. When Hurley asked Charlie and Echo if they had seen a man in a robe carrying a coconut, Charlie responded, "no, but I saw a polar bear on rollerblades with a mango". :lol:

So, we can add Hurley to the list of Losties that have killed someone....

Kate = step-father, boyfriend, man who offered her a ride, marshall (okay so he died in the plane crash, but he wouldn't have been on the plane if not for Kate.
Sawyer = man who he thought was original Sawyer
Jack = patient (the guy with the beautiful daughter. He didn't kill him intentionally, but is still, in some ways, responsible).
Sayid = How many? We don't know.
Hurley = Two people were killed when a deck collapsed after he stepped onto it.

I've seen lots of theories on the internet linking the whole Lost situation to something in Hurley's mind in the hospital. We know that the producers/writers/et al are reading the chat rooms and discussion boards to see what everyone is saying. So, I think that this episode was just a teaser to those people who believe that theory. I don't think that the whole Lost thing will end up being a figment of Hurley's imagination. It's too obvious, and it's too early in the life of the show to start giving away clues of that magnitude. But I sure can't wait to see Libby's back story now!!!

Back to Fake-Henry...We finally find out what happened when FH went to push the button last week. There was a "lound clunking and hum like a big magnet". HOW THE HELL WOULD HE KNOW THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE A MAGNET?????? If I heard a big clunking and hum, I would never connect that sound to a magnet. I'm not sure what I would think, but magnet would not be the first thing to come to my mind. He knows more than he's letting on. He also said, "I'm done lying". Does that mean we'll find out the truth of who he is next week? I suspect that we're leading up to some sort of big season finally that will have something to do with the presence of FH.

On that same topic, if FH didn't push the button and nothing happened, then what does that mean for Locke? Having that button to push has given Locke's existence some meaning on the island. Locke took ownership of the button and the hatch pretty quickly and it gives him a feeling of power and purpose. How will Locke react if that power and purpose was only a facade? He won't be important anymore. He'll be just like everyone else and I don't think that he'll handle that very well.

Last thing...cudos to Kam for pointing this out last week....in the Canadian preview we see Bernard (Rose's husband) saying, "Have you forgotton that we crashed on this island? It's like none of you want to go home again!". :yikes:

How about Locke's reaction to the wheelchair offer. Guess we could have seen that coming, but still classic. Loved it when Hurley beat up on Sawyer. That was great. Dave was cool. He reminds me of a Dave I know. Who's dream is all this anyway? I seem to recal you saying that you'd flip out if this all turns out to be someones dream. Well magnets sound like... uh... like...
Everyone seems to be glossing over the fact that next week is a new ep also. 4 in a row?

[Kam]

I'm not sure that FH is the head Other. He appears, to me, to be a very angry man. First of all, when the bearded guy was mentioned as the "head" Other, FH almost spit out the words, "Him? He's NOTHING!". He seemed almost offended that they thought Zeke could be the head honcho. And his comment about "God can't even see us on this island" just doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that someone in charge would say. His attitude is very resentful. Not just resentful and angry at the Losties for the way that they've treated him, I think it goes much deeper than that. Angry at fate for how his life has turned out...for putting him on the island in the first place.


while true, that also serves as the perfect 'cover.' just like verbal as a cripple and the resentment he had for not being as important as the other suspects made him completely non-existent on anyone's radar for being kaiser soze. however, these guys are smart enough to know the conventions singer used in duping everyone into thinking keaton was soze and not verbal, so whatever they have in store for us with FH will be a doozy... (btw, hurley's line, am gonna be one of those crazy guys with a beard who runs around naked and throws doody on everyone, was pure classic!).
but i think FH is set up nicely to be the head Other, even with his proclamation of what "He" would do to him, with the immediate fear installed by the way he talked about their leader, because... just like kaiser... who told us of kaiser's mythical status? kaiser himself.
although it could be more along the lines of sky captain and the world of tomorrow where the machinery has been set in motion, and the Head Other, or whoever their CEO is, has been dead for years/decades, but the dharma initiative "machinery" has been set in motion and will go on to its conclusion without the people even knowing that their leader is dead.

[GMichael]

while true, that also serves as the perfect 'cover.' just like verbal as a cripple and the resentment he had for not being as important as the other suspects made him completely non-existent on anyone's radar for being kaiser soze. however, these guys are smart enough to know the conventions singer used in duping everyone into thinking keaton was soze and not verbal, so whatever they have in store for us with FH will be a doozy... (btw, hurley's line, am gonna be one of those crazy guys with a beard who runs around naked and throws doody on everyone, was pure classic!).
but i think FH is set up nicely to be the head Other, even with his proclamation of what "He" would do to him, with the immediate fear installed by the way he talked about their leader, because... just like kaiser... who told us of kaiser's mythical status? kaiser himself.
although it could be more along the lines of sky captain and the world of tomorrow where the machinery has been set in motion, and the Head Other, or whoever their CEO is, has been dead for years/decades, but the dharma initiative "machinery" has been set in motion and will go on to its conclusion without the people even knowing that their leader is dead.

How about if FH is an Other cast out? Like he was a member in high standing until something happened that caused him to loose his status. Something that a 2nd or 3rd ranked bearded Other may have caused.

[Resident Loser]

...at least that's how me and my better-half came away from the show...getting ready for the end of sweeps and the impending summer hiatus...

What's little sir echo building...my guess: a casket...maybe for FH, could he be the one FH is scared totally $h!tless about?...Of course the really dramatic mini-denouement would be that it's for himself...like he knows a day of reckoning is at hand and he sees himself not surviving it...that whole internal battle of good vs. evil...

Whatzerface in the booby-hatch with Hurley was an interesting touch...and I can say from experience, she really looked like an over-medicated and out-of-it inmate in the final shot...

jimHJJ(...and no, I wasn't a passenger on the disoriented express...)

[Kam]

What's little sir echo building...my guess: a casket...maybe for FH, could he be the one FH is scared totally $h!tless about?...Of course the really dramatic mini-denouement would be that it's for himself...like he knows a day of reckoning is at hand and he sees himself not surviving it...that whole internal battle of good vs. evil...


i thought it was a church he's building...

[ForeverAutumn]

i thought it was a church he's building...

That's the assumption that I made as well.

Another new episode next week?! WoooHoooo!!!!! Now we're just getting spoiled. ;)

[Resident Loser]

i thought it was a church he's building...

...was there ever any indication of him being particularly religious at any point in his life? I forget...if he was, he might be conversant with Matthew 18:20 which states: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them..." negating the need for a building per se...although sacred structures are of and by themselves an outward sign and a comfort to the some believers...Maybe just an altar?...oooo! human sacrifices?

While I was surfing looking for some particulars in his backstory, I found one thing...seems as though he and other actors (maybe even writers) had something to do with the cable show OZ...Is Henry Gale simply an inside joke?

jimHJJ(...there's always next week...)

[Kam]

...was there ever any indication of him being particularly religious at any point in his life? I forget...if he was, he might be conversant with Matthew 18:20 which states: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them..." negating the need for a building per se...although sacred structures are of and by themselves an outward sign and a comfort to the some believers...Maybe just an altar?...oooo! human sacrifices?

While I was surfing looking for some particulars in his backstory, I found one thing...seems as though he and other actors (maybe even writers) had something to do with the cable show OZ...Is Henry Gale simply an inside joke?

jimHJJ(...there's always next week...)

yeah, in his backstory episode where charlie takes him to the plane that boone died in, we found out that ecko was a nigerian (?) drug lord who actually entered into the drug gangs in order to save his own brother, who went on to become a priest. that brother then ended up in the plane in a mishap, and ecko stayed behind in africa as a priest, taking over his brother's parish. then after he burns all the heroin and his brother's dead body in the plane, he takes the cross off the body and puts it on, and i think charlie asks him if he's a priest, and ecko says, yes. plus he's carrying around the "jesus club" with all the scriptures and stuff written on it.
and (i think) it was charlie or sawyer who made a side comment a few episodes ago about ecko marking off trees in that clearing... as if he was forming the cross on the ground that the church was going to be built on? (not sure, but i thought churches were built on the form of a cross?) and they did show ecko spending a lot of time in that area, tieing pieces of cloth onto trees in his own way...

[ForeverAutumn]

yeah, in his backstory episode where charlie takes him to the plane that boone died in, we found out that ecko was a nigerian (?) drug lord who actually entered into the drug gangs in order to save his own brother, who went on to become a priest. that brother then ended up in the plane in a mishap, and ecko stayed behind in africa as a priest, taking over his brother's parish. then after he burns all the heroin and his brother's dead body in the plane, he takes the cross off the body and puts it on, and i think charlie asks him if he's a priest, and ecko says, yes. plus he's carrying around the "jesus club" with all the scriptures and stuff written on it.
and (i think) it was charlie or sawyer who made a side comment a few episodes ago about ecko marking off trees in that clearing... as if he was forming the cross on the ground that the church was going to be built on? (not sure, but i thought churches were built on the form of a cross?) and they did show ecko spending a lot of time in that area, tieing pieces of cloth onto trees in his own way...

If I remember correctly, the only people allowed to fly planes were priests and the army. Echo asked his brother to sign a document that would make him a priest so that he could fly a plane to smuggle drugs. He said that he would use the money to help the church. His brother didn't want to go along with him but I think that, in the end, he did sign the document which made Echo a priest but refused to take Echo's money. After his brother accidentally ended up in the plane, the army mistook Echo as a real priest and thought that they were rescuing him (when they really should have been arresting him for smuggling drugs). The irony ended up being that Echo felt responsible for his brother's (probable) demise and took over his brother's church. I suspect that he also did that to save his ass so that the army wouldn't realize their mistake.

When Echo was marking the trees, Charlie asked him what he was doing and Echo responded that he was marking the trees that he "liked". :crazy:

[kexodusc]

I thought it might have been an Ark, but a church sounds more likely now.

I don't think FH is the Head Other...just a gut feeling, but the fact that Rousseau captured him and turned him over to Sayid just gives me the feeling he's only a pawn...Sure, he knows more than he's telling us...but he's no leader.

I also don't think Locke is going to go crazy about the button not being pushed (if we can belive FH didn't actually do anything). His purpose is to solve the Island's mystery, the next stage is there for him now. Though the temporary leg injury might pose some problems for him.

I think Libby is after Hurley's money somehow...seduce him, earn his confidence, then strike! Or, she knew the numbers too and somehow arrived at the same place Hurley did...

[ForeverAutumn]

I think Libby is after Hurley's money somehow...seduce him, earn his confidence, then strike! Or, she knew the numbers too and somehow arrived at the same place Hurley did...

The thought of Libby also being connected to the numbers never occured to me but is very intesting indeed.

Would she know about Hurley's money? He won the lottery after he was released from the hospital. Perhaps she likes him because she knows where he's been and feels connected to him. I'm very intrigued by this story line and can't wait to learn more! Forget Kate and Jack, or Kate and Sawyer. Forget Ana-Lucia and Sayid. Forget Sun and Jin, or Rose and Bernard. THIS is the romance that I want to see. I can't wait to see what direction the writers take this one.

[Kam]

ok losties... i just found out a major (potential) spoiler. am not gonna post it because a) i dont want to ruin it for anyone and b) it may be a 'fake' that the lost guys have sent out on purpose to fool people. but this word is coming from inside the lost camp (i have friends working on other jj abrams shows/projects and the word is from there). so while the source is credible, they dont know if its just a fake spoiler (since nothing is definite till it actually happens) but.... i've heard who the next to die is going to be... i didnt actually want to know, but they told me before i could tell 'em to shut up and the name popped out!! argh!!
so now i'm just hoping its a fake leak to get people thinking down the wrong track, cuz i hate knowing!!! i have found with lost, that idiom really is true: it's the journey, not the destination.
if anyone does want to know... pm or email me and i'll spoil your day too.

[ForeverAutumn]

A few weeks ago someone, I think Kam but I'm too lazy to go back and look, mentioned seeing a list of books linked to Lost somewhere. I don't know if this is the same page, but here's a list.

http://lost.cubit.net/books.php

I haven't spend much time here yet, but this looks like an interesting Lost site, in general.

[ForeverAutumn]

ok losties... i just found out a major (potential) spoiler. am not gonna post it because a) i dont want to ruin it for anyone and b) it may be a 'fake' that the lost guys have sent out on purpose to fool people. but this word is coming from inside the lost camp (i have friends working on other jj abrams shows/projects and the word is from there). so while the source is credible, they dont know if its just a fake spoiler (since nothing is definite till it actually happens) but.... i've heard who the next to die is going to be... i didnt actually want to know, but they told me before i could tell 'em to shut up and the name popped out!! argh!!
so now i'm just hoping its a fake leak to get people thinking down the wrong track, cuz i hate knowing!!! i have found with lost, that idiom really is true: it's the journey, not the destination.
if anyone does want to know... pm or email me and i'll spoil your day too.

Thanks for not just going ahead and posting the name. I don't want to know. :nonod: Even if it's wrong. I still don't want to be waiting for it to happen.

Wacky! No posts since last Thursday and we both post at the same time. :)

Here's something else Wacky, that I can't believe I never made the connection to until this weekend. You know our good friend Mr. Echo? Well.....
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.I have a two year old Guinea Pig named........ECHO!!!!! Is that spooky or what?

:biggrin5:

[Kam]

it was almost perfect if we coulda posted two minutes later at 4:23....

the show really is genius i have to say, and has anyone done any comparison to the numbers and Pi? is there any correlation there? the whole perfect symettry in nature deal and maybe the numbers are like that?

EDIT: ok... so my nerd-dom continues...
pi to 50,000 places if anyone is interested...

http://www.ballandclaw.com/upi/pi.50000.html

and yes, all the numbers are there, because i just found out that there are no repeating sequences in pi, so obviously all the numbers will show up, the longest string i could find was: 2381516 then i started going crosseyed....

[Kam]

wooooo hoooo!!! few hours to go!

and on a side note... if any admin guys are reading this, is this the longest thread in AR history? or at least, the longest thread that was not a flame-war? (i thought i remembered a few 500+ post threads from way back when, but those all had some major flaming going on in them)

and back to my insanity... we just had posts 415 and 416.... i believe some important info will be revealed on post 423.....

[GMichael]

In a few weeks this thread will have more posts than you do.

Come on 9 PM.

[Kam]

dont trust michael!!!! (from the trailer) i think it's a red herring, i think the Others are armed to the teeth and michael is leading them all into a trap because that's what they told him to do in order to get walt back!!!

interesting episode, a little slowly paced, and then picked up at the end... and a secret of the island (somewhat) confirmed... not only does it heal, but everyone brought to that island would not want to leave it for what the island does for them/heals them/ etc... interesting montage at the end...
claire raising aaron (the messiah's brother) rather than giving him up... would only happen on the island.
sun having a child with jin... would only happen on the island.
locke walking... would only happen on the island.
rose's cancer(?) cured... would only happen on the island.
hurley/libbys insanity cured... would only happen on the island.
but why is sawyer there? hmmm.... everything happens for a reason.

[kexodusc]

dont trust michael!!!! (from the trailer) i think it's a red herring, i think the Others are armed to the teeth and michael is leading them all into a trap because that's what they told him to do in order to get walt back!!!

interesting episode, a little slowly paced, and then picked up at the end... and a secret of the island (somewhat) confirmed... not only does it heal, but everyone brought to that island would not want to leave it for what the island does for them/heals them/ etc... interesting montage at the end...
claire raising aaron (the messiah's brother) rather than giving him up... would only happen on the island.
sun having a child with jin... would only happen on the island.
locke walking... would only happen on the island.
rose's cancer(?) cured... would only happen on the island.
hurley/libbys insanity cured... would only happen on the island.
but why is sawyer there? hmmm.... everything happens for a reason.

Hmmm, I think Sawyer has a brother on the Island...Locke.

I liked this one, the Rose/Bernard story was nice. Not much happened, just a bit of plot advancement.

The evil smile on FH's face after Locke asked him if he pushed the buttons was priceless.

I agree...don't trust Michael...it's a trap.

[ForeverAutumn]

Hello???? What about the Black Rocks???????????? Am I the only one who noticed them?

Bernard used black rocks to make the SOS sign. And when Jack and Kate stopped in the clearing where they had met up with the Others last time, Jack was standing in front of a huge black boulder.

I liked the Rose/Bernard back story. Now we know why they were in Australia. Do you think that Locke went to see him while he was there? There were lots of pictures and letters up on his wall. I'll bet if we were to look closely we'd find some familiar faces and/or names. I haven't had time to look but here's the link... http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x19/issacsWall.jpg

And I am just loving Fake Henry! So diabolical! :ihih:

[Kam]

i did totally catch that! forgot to post it, that was huge... ya think hanso is buried underneath there? maybe in ancient times the "black rock" was the equivalent of the #'s? hence it pulled a ship called the "black rock" to the island?

and great, now am staring at that wall... will have to put it into photoshop and play around, lighten up those dark areas and sharpen it up, see what shows up... although am sure whoever did the map on that cubit site will get a highres scan of the wall too...
is there anyone from san fran on the island? there's a pic of the golden gate bridge right above and to the right of the big "I (heart) Isaac" sign and that yellow starburst thing in the corner by the crutch.. tis very dharma-esque...

[Glen B]

Hello???? What about the Black Rocks???????????? Am I the only one who noticed them?

Bernard used black rocks to make the SOS sign. And when Jack and Kate stopped in the clearing where they had met up with the Others last time, Jack was standing in front of a huge black boulder.

Not sure if there is any significance to black rocks. Apparently there was/is volcanic activity on the island which would account for rocks being black.


And I am just loving Fake Henry! So diabolical! :ihih:

Diabolical indeed. That smile when Locke asked about the buttons has to be the sickest, most evil I have ever seen.

[Groundbeef]

I liked the Rose/Bernard back story. Now we know why they were in Australia. Do you think that Locke went to see him while he was there? There were lots of pictures and letters up on his wall. :


No, Locke DIDN'T go to see the "Healer". Early in season one, we saw why he was in Australia. He was handicapped, and was going on a Survival/Immersion vacation. However, he negleted to tell the owner of the safari place that he was handicapped. He (Locke) was told over and over in the episode that he "couldn't do something" (meaning some sort of activity) and finally blew his top when the outfitter would'nt take him out. They refunded his money and sent him packing to the ill-fated flight. Then he awoke in the burning wreckage and stood and walked to help people.

The significance of the walking was not immediately apparent in the pilot, but was foreshadowed when he stood up and had a stupid look on his face as he looked down at his now operational legs. The flashbacks were not for about 2-3 episodes.

Hope that helps.

This last episode starts to answer why people are not so eager to leave.

[ForeverAutumn]

Has anyone gone back to the picture of the map lately? It's totally translated.
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

[GMichael]

Has anyone gone back to the picture of the map lately? It's totally translated.
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

Wow! Now that's a lot of info.

Now we know where the polar bears live & everything.

Who has this much time on their hands?

[ForeverAutumn]

So I've been looking at the map. Notice the numbers in brackets under the Swan. Near C4, is x4, y8, z15. Under The Flame is the square root sign with 16, 64 and 225. The square roots are 4, 8 and 15 respectively.

So what does this all mean? Well...I don't know exactly. But I'm sure that I'll be lying awake tonight trying to figure it all out.

[topspeed]

Just watched the episode last night (ain't Tivo grand?). Kinda slow, but I like the back story on Rose and Herbert. Not of lot of questions raised, although I do think Michael is bait. If you're running away from something, the last thing you should have is a lit torch.

The picture is very interesting, FA. Clearly, the lock down and provision drop are related, but the question remains "why?" Why lock down everyone for a supply drop? Also notice the "PRD drop every 6-8 months." I'm guessing this means "Periodic Restocking Drop." Any other ideas?

Just out of curiosity, has Locke told anybody besides Henry about the map on the blast door? If not, why?

[Kam]

Just watched the episode last night (ain't Tivo grand?). Kinda slow, but I like the back story on Rose and Herbert. Not of lot of questions raised, although I do think Michael is bait. If you're running away from something, the last thing you should have is a lit torch.

The picture is very interesting, FA. Clearly, the lock down and provision drop are related, but the question remains "why?" Why lock down everyone for a supply drop? Also notice the "PRD drop every 6-8 months." I'm guessing this means "Periodic Restocking Drop." Any other ideas?

Just out of curiosity, has Locke told anybody besides Henry about the map on the blast door? If not, why?

am guessing the lockdown happens to prevent a quarantine breach. its a two member station, so when the announcement comes that the package is arriving, one member goes into that area and gets locked in while the other member gets the package. after he returns and insures no breach in the quarantine, the other member comes out? or something like that?
i also read someones post on the cubit board that was equating the numbers to the dharma symbol, and that the 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 all correspond to the 6 chambers in the dharma symbol (6 stations, etc). someone else wrote the numbers out in binary code and there seemed to be a pattern there (but pretty much any sequences of 0s and 1s looks like a pattern to me).

am getting a feeling the show is almost like seinfeld crossed with twin peaks. its a show about nothing really, but strange stuff does happen.

[GMichael]

am guessing the lockdown happens to prevent a quarantine breach. its a two member station, so when the announcement comes that the package is arriving, one member goes into that area and gets locked in while the other member gets the package. after he returns and insures no breach in the quarantine, the other member comes out? or something like that?
i also read someones post on the cubit board that was equating the numbers to the dharma symbol, and that the 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 all correspond to the 6 chambers in the dharma symbol (6 stations, etc). someone else wrote the numbers out in binary code and there seemed to be a pattern there (but pretty much any sequences of 0s and 1s looks like a pattern to me).

am getting a feeling the show is almost like seinfeld crossed with twin peaks. its a show about nothing really, but strange stuff does happen.

Has anyone converted the numbers to hexadecimal to see if it spells anything out?

[Kam]

so... alias season premier tonight, no lost but... had a light bulb just go off...
whenever something has happened with the Others (or at least something mysterious ala the whispering voices) there has been a torential downpour. whenever we've seen walt since his abduction, he's been soaking wet... as if he was just in a torrential downpour.

could these 'voices' that come with the rain be linked to the 'psychic' children like walt and his backwards talking and all that? are they trying to warn/talk to the losties and their collective conscious presence starts the rain?

that might just be my best theory yet!

[ForeverAutumn]

so... alias season premier tonight, no lost but... had a light bulb just go off...
whenever something has happened with the Others (or at least something mysterious ala the whispering voices) there has been a torential downpour. whenever we've seen walt since his abduction, he's been soaking wet... as if he was just in a torrential downpour.

could these 'voices' that come with the rain be linked to the 'psychic' children like walt and his backwards talking and all that? are they trying to warn/talk to the losties and their collective conscious presence starts the rain?

that might just be my best theory yet!

That's an interesting theory Kam. At first we thought that the whispers belonged to The Others. But now that we've actually met The Others and know that they are human, I think that the whispers have to be something else. It would be interesting (and time consuming) to go back and track all of the events that happen either during or immediately after the whispers.

Was it raining when AL shot Shannon? They heard the whispers then...that's what made AL so nervous. But I don't think that it was raining. Although, Shannon and Sayid were in the jungle looking for Walt. Hmmmmm.

[Kam]

That's an interesting theory Kam. At first we thought that the whispers belonged to The Others. But now that we've actually met The Others and know that they are human, I think that the whispers have to be something else. It would be interesting (and time consuming) to go back and track all of the events that happen either during or immediately after the whispers.

Was it raining when AL shot Shannon? They heard the whispers then...that's what made AL so nervous. But I don't think that it was raining. Although, Shannon and Sayid were in the jungle looking for Walt. Hmmmmm.

i remember the whispers were starting up, but i cant remember if it was also raining... have to wait for the season 2 dvd now... although there's gonna be a recap show i think up next. the whispers also started up when the flight attendant girl dissapeared while they were trying to lift sawyer's stretcher up the embankment. but i dont think it was raining then, that girl just dissapeared. its just way to odd a thing (walt showing up dripping with water) to not have some sort of reason behind it (one would think, at least).

[topspeed]

Note: Cynthia Wattros is tagged for the lead in a new CBC comedy this fall.

Hurley better get to gettin' if he's going to put his shmoove on Libby. Apparently, her stay on the island is going to be as brief as the Hot Chick. I don't know about you guys, but if I was a blond, attractive chick on this island, I would seriously be looking for some hair dye.

[ForeverAutumn]

Note: Cynthia Wattros is tagged for the lead in a new CBC comedy this fall.

Hurley better get to gettin' if he's going to put his shmoove on Libby. Apparently, her stay on the island is going to be as brief as the Hot Chick. I don't know about you guys, but if I was a blond, attractive chick on this island, I would seriously be looking for some hair dye.

SHAME ON YOU, TOPSPEED.

I would certainly call that post a spoiler.

On second thought, if I had given it any thought, I would predict that something will happen to Libby... it's all part of Hurley's curse.

Thank god I'm a brunette. Well, that and the fact that I'm not stranded on a creepy pseudo-supernatural island.

[topspeed]

Another repeat.



Yay.



Bring on Sweeps Month!

[Kam]

well as far as repeats go, at least its a 'recap' episode of everything uptodate, with that dudes narration going on. how much ya wanna bet it ends up that dude narrating is alvar hanso (or walt all grows-ed up ala wonder years-style).

but then, like ya said, we're into the home stretch of may sweeps!!! Next up on May 3rd...

"Two for the Road: This episode marks the return of Christian Shepherd and Zeke."

woo hoo!!

[kexodusc]

well as far as repeats go, at least its a 'recap' episode of everything uptodate, with that dudes narration going on. how much ya wanna bet it ends up that dude narrating is alvar hanso (or walt all grows-ed up ala wonder years-style).

but then, like ya said, we're into the home stretch of may sweeps!!! Next up on May 3rd...

"Two for the Road: This episode marks the return of Christian Shepherd and Zeke."

woo hoo!!

Good, so I won't miss anything while the playoffs are on...I'm on the road this week anyway.
Should be a good sprint to the season finale then, I take it?

[ForeverAutumn]

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know it was a recap. Not that it matters...you know that I'll be glued to the TV anyway.

I wonder how much they can actually recap in only one hour.

[ForeverAutumn]

Hey guys, I've been on my Lost surf board and found something very interesting. A picture of the vaccines that Desmond took in the hatch and that Ethan gave Claire in the medical hatch. Check out the DN numbers on the top of the bottles.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x15/vaccine.jpg

[Kam]

Hey guys, I've been on my Lost surf board and found something very interesting. A picture of the vaccines that Desmond took in the hatch and that Ethan gave Claire in the medical hatch. Check out the DN numbers on the top of the bottles.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x15/vaccine.jpg

oh.... my..... goooooooooood!
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i printed out the pic and took it to the supermarket here in manhattan on 4th and 8th.... and i asked them scan the barcode... and guess what came up!!!???? .....
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.$15.16!!!!
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ok.... so that didnt happen (4th ave has a very ltd run, i dont even think it crosses 8th street) and my insanity would be reaching 'dave' levels if i actually did that, c'mon now, i'm not THAT crazy... although admit it... y'all thought i actually did it, didn't you!! :p

[GMichael]

oh.... my..... goooooooooood!
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i printed out the pic and took it to the supermarket here in manhattan on 4th and 8th.... and i asked them scan the barcode... and guess what came up!!!???? .....
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.$15.16!!!!
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ok.... so that didnt happen (4th ave has a very ltd run, i dont even think it crosses 8th street) and my insanity would be reaching 'dave' levels if i actually did that, c'mon now, i'm not THAT crazy... although admit it... y'all thought i actually did it, didn't you!! :p

OK, you got me. The only thing I was thinking was, I wonder why he went all the way down to 8th street. There must be a few hundred places closer to him.

[Kam]

not sure if anyone else has picked up on this lil behind the scenes tidbit, am sure its on the other lost boards but i havent checked them yet.... in the SOS episode, bernard keeps referring to neil (i think was his name?) the "frogurt guy".... Greg Grunberg (he was the pilot of the plane that got eaten by the monster) is best friends with JJ Abrams and has been in nearly every project that JJ has done and prior to getting involved he... "Created and ran a successful frozen yogurt delivery service." (from imdb).
:D

and you thought my fanaticism was wavering.....

[ForeverAutumn]

...and you thought my fanaticism was wavering.....

I'm glad to see that you're still in full fanatical frenzy.

So I'm watching the recap show tonight and there's really nothing new to me there. Then they show the scene from a couple of weeks ago where the lights in the hatch go out and the walls come down from the ceiling. They show Fake-Henry's reaction and I realize that he's genuinely surprised. He may know things about the hatch and numbers and the button and the magnet and other stuff, but he was not prepared for what happened in the hatch when the lights went out. Hmmmmmm. :shocked:

[GMichael]

New episode tonight creates a dilemma for me. While the wifey is away I promised to record AI for her. Now they are both on at the same time! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. Does Lost have a re-airing day when I can record tonight's show? Dag nab it! :incazzato:

[Kam]

New episode tonight creates a dilemma for me. While the wifey is away I promised to record AI for her. Now they are both on at the same time! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. Does Lost have a re-airing day when I can record tonight's show? Dag nab it! :incazzato:

oh no... as far as i know, i dont think they do. but they'll prolly have a general re-airing of episodes over the summer leading up to the fall season 3. wont AI repeat itself? (am guessing a,i, as in artificial intelligence? or am i missing an acronym here?)

[GMichael]

oh no... as far as i know, i dont think they do. but they'll prolly have a general re-airing of episodes over the summer leading up to the fall season 3. wont AI repeat itself? (am guessing a,i, as in artificial intelligence? or am i missing an acronym here?)

American Idol. Wifey loves this show and I said I would tape it, uh, I mean record it for her. Wait a minute! I still have a VHS recorder. She'll never know the difference. Brilliant!

[Kam]

American Idol. Wifey loves this show and I said I would tape it, uh, I mean record it for her. Wait a minute! I still have a VHS recorder. She'll never know the difference. Brilliant!

whew... may sweeps is starting up!!! gonna be a sweet run to the season finale!

[ForeverAutumn]

New episode tonight creates a dilemma for me. While the wifey is away I promised to record AI for her. Now they are both on at the same time! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. Does Lost have a re-airing day when I can record tonight's show? Dag nab it! :incazzato:

You should be in Canada GM. Lost and AI air on the same network (CTV). Since AI is live, they show Lost at 7:00, Amazing Race at 8:00, AI at 9:00. Then we can also watch Lost again on ABC at 9:00.

So...I could watch Lost 2 hours before you and post all kinds of spoilers!!! But I wouldn't do that to you. :)

[ForeverAutumn]

whew... may sweeps is starting up!!! gonna be a sweet run to the season finale!

But then it will be over for the summer and I'll be sad. :sad:

[GMichael]

You should be in Canada GM. Lost and AI air on the same network (CTV). Since AI is live, they show Lost at 7:00, Amazing Race at 8:00, AI at 9:00. Then we can also watch Lost again on ABC at 9:00.

So...I could watch Lost 2 hours before you and post all kinds of spoilers!!! But I wouldn't do that to you. :)

7:00 huh? That's just wrong.:confused5:

[Kam]

holy minkey!!! what an episode!

so, beyond the obvious holy minkey moments... did claire drive a blue jeep to the pyschic's house? is claire jack's sister? or would it be really star-warsianly delicious and have jack and kate be brother and sister? and did ana-lucia call him "dad" when he was getting out of the car to go drink with sawyer?

and with FH... this one group of Other's at least numbers.... 23. although i wonder if Michael was including himself in that 22. so exciting!!!!

[Kam]

holy minkey again!!!

http://thehansofoundation.org/

they completely overhauled the site. this show is going nuts! and i bet we find out some connection to Liddy Wales (board of directors on the hanso foundation).... woh, am about to lose a couple of hours of worktime now.... crap.

[topspeed]

So THAT's what happens when you get a DUI and have to serve jail time! :lol:

Today's Unity word is "Sobriety," boys and girls. Learn it. Live it.



All kidding aside, all of the smart denizens of this site already knew Michael was a traitor so that wasn't a huge surpise. Capping Libby and AnaLucia...OK, that was surpising :yikes:! At least Ana went out with a bang, both literally and figuratively (think Sawyer). What was the script that Sawyer was reading anyway? They showed the title way too clearly for it to be meaningless. Also, what does Hurley do now that Libby bought the farm? Does he regress and go bananas again? Seek revenge? Eat himself into oblivion? Should be interesting.


HOLY CRAP!!! Sign up for the newsletter on the hansofoundation site! WTF?!?!

[topspeed]

Who's Persephone? What's the password? Somebody help!!!

Also, what country in Africa has been deleted in the Mathmatical forcasting part? Where is Mr. Ecko from?


edit: password = breakingstrain
edit: send Joop a message

Hang on and have fun :). Seriously cool site.

[Kam]

"Bad Twin" is the name of the script and the cool (i guess kinda cool) thing the creators are doing is releasing the book. the 'author' of the book is someone who died in the crash and the book bad twin is being released under his name. so you can actually buy the book and see what happens or if it has any other clues in it. not sure who the actual author of the book is, but the credited author will be a passenger on flight 815.

persephone was the queen of the underworld, which fits in with the cerebrus mention on the wall. also pretty interesting about the Orpheus in the underworld connection, showing mercy once, allowing orpheus to take one soul out of hades... (michael taking walt away from the others?)
i still think FH is the head other now more than ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone

alrighty so i watched the "live webcam" on joop for a good while (please, dont ask me how long) and nothing happenned! tried sending him a few messages but i kept getting the 'connection timed out' message, trying to find what the codes are....

[Kam]

woh, joop goes a little 28dayslater at the end of that persephone login! (thanks for the post topspeed!!!!)

whats with those letters about meningococcal strain? isnt that viral menengitis? and the research facility in zanzibar?
and maillot? was anyone who worked with jack named dr. maillot? or dr. thompson? good googlymoogly gonnna have to go back and watch all of season 1 again.....
and what was the name of michael's wife's lawyer in the divorce? wasnt johnson was it? although why a divorce attorney would become general counsel to the hanso foundation is beyond me... but then again, so are why polar bears would live on a tropical island...

[topspeed]

Here's the letter from thehansofoundation.org:

Global Welfare Consortium 19 September, 2005
Rue Grande 1623
1221 Geneva 27
Switzerland

To: Dr. Roderick Johnson, M.D., Ph.D., Clinical Director,
Centers for Disease Control

From: GWC Executive Committee

RE: Violation of Ethical Guidelines / The Hanso Life-
Extension Project

CC: Mr. Peter Thompson, Vice President, General Counsel,
The Hanso Foundation; Hugh McIntyre, Vice President and
Communications Director, The Hanso Foundation

Dr. Johnson:

We have received word of an unfortunate and most alarming
issue in the past days concerning research operations by
The Hanso Foundation in the sub-Saharan region of Africa.
Sadly, we have exhausted our mandate as a watchdog
organization and must petition you for a formal
investigation.

It has come to our attention that a new strain of
meningococcal disease has been reported in the coastal
villages of the United Republic of Tanzania. This strain
is particularly alarming in that it has successfully
breached the simian/homo sapiens barrier.

As the enclosed documentation and correspondence
demonstrate, we have repeatedly asked the Executive Board
of The Hanso Foundation for assistance in determining the
possible correlation between the outbreak of this
transgenic disease and the research being conducted on
primates in their Experimental Station in Zanzibar.
As our requests have been met with utter and complete
disregard, we feel we have no other choice than to demand
your immediate intervention.

As the Hanso Foundation is using primates to research gene
therapies intended for human use, the correlation should
be obvious…


Considering the alarming nature of this outbreak and
the mounting death toll it is imperative that The Hanso
Foundation immediately open the doors of their
Experimental Station for inspection and, should a link be
found between their work and this disease, cease and
desist their activities immediately.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Lives are at stake.

Monsieur Jacques Maillot
Director General, GWC Executive…

DOCUMENT 2 (AFTER CLICKING ON SIGNATURE)

Global Wellfare Consortium 25 September, 2005
Rue Grande 1623
1221 Geneva 27
Switzerland

To: Dr. Roderick Johnson, M.D., Ph.D., Clinical…
Centers for Disease Control

From: GWC Executive Committee

RE: The Hanso Foundation Life-Extension Project

Dr. Johnson:

Please consider this a formal apology for the heated and
alarmist tone of our previous correspondence, as well as a
formal request for the withdrawel of former Director General
Jacques Maillot’s request for an intervention into the
affairs of the Hanso Foundation.

In the time since Monsieur Maillot’s letter, GWC’s
inspection team has been welcomed with open arms into The
Hanso Foundation’s Experimental Station in Zanzibar. Our
thorough examination of the Station has made it clear that
the benign, non-invasive research being conducted there
could not have possibly resulted in the outbreak of a
transgenic virus.

Because we appreciate the CDC’s willingness to intervene
when lives are at stake, the last thing we want is to abuse
our close relationship with your organization — or sound
alarms before the need is absolutely clear. Once again,
please accept our apologies, and our appreciation of your
diligent response to our correspondence.

Mr. Peter Thompson, Acting Director General
Global Health Consortium

THEN, AFTER CLICKING ON SIGNATURE, IN RED BLOCK LETTERS THAT OVERWRITE THE LETTER, AND SCARY MUSIC SHIFTS:

"The Hanso Foundation, setting world speed records for subverting authority."

Make sure you listen to that last part, it's pretty funny actually.


alrighty so i watched the "live webcam" on joop for a good while (please, dont ask me how long) and nothing happenned! You must be kidding. I see all kinds of weird faces and shadows overlapping Joops face. BTW, make sure you login in again on the newsletter. So far, I keep getting "No new messages, bye, bye," but I'll bet there will be clues in there somewhere. Thanks again for the link to the site, my productivity hit an all-time low today ;).

Edit: Clicked on the World Map in the World Wide Wellness section. If you move the cursor over the Carribean, there's a hidden Hanso site. The weird thing is that it puts the red dot not in the Carribean, but in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Moving the cursor over the empty info bubble reveals a fading code. The code spells "Missing Organs."

OK, what the heck does that mean?

[ForeverAutumn]

Holy Cow, my head is spinning from reading your posts. I was out of town on business and just got home. While I did watch Lost in my hotel room last night, I'm just catching up on your posts and will have to check out the new Hanso site tomorrow. I can barely keep my eyes open right now.

But, before I retire for the evening I have to ask....did anyone catch the commercial for the Hanso Foundation during the commercial breaks last night???? I'm gonna guess not since no-one's mentioned it. It was real short and almost over before my brain registed what it was. There was a toll-free number to call. I'm pretty sure that the number was 1-877-hansorg. I'll have to check my tape before I call it, in case I have the number wrong. I don't want to wake up some poor old lady if I have the wrong number. Although, what an old lady would be doing with a 1-877 number is anybody's guess. :ihih:

As for the manuscript of Bad Twin, I remember reading about that somewhere at the beginning of the season. It was an article about how Lost was going to introduce this book written by someone who died on the plane and the book was published post-humously (sp?). I've been waiting all season for the manuscript to turn up. To be honest, I thought that it would be a bigger deal.

So, how about Michael's little shooting spree? So, here's what I think the deal is...Micheal was sent back to the hatch to rescue FH. He shot AL because she was a threat to FH's survival. Then he shot himself to cover his actions. He's going to let FH go. Then he's going to claim that FH somehow got his hands on the gun, shot AL and then shot Michael and then escaped. Micheal will play along with being on-side with his camp and wanting revenge on The Others, but all the while Michael will really be spying for The Others.

Meanwhile, Locke will begin to wonder if FH's mission really was to come and get Locke. Eventually, Locke will go into the jungle looking for FH and The Others, because he thinks that being with The Others is his destiny.

As for Libby dying...Hurley will put it down to the continuation of his curse. That everyone who gets close to him gets hurt (or worse) and he'll become a recluse.

And now I'm very, very tired and must go. G'night.

[ForeverAutumn]

Okay, as tired as I am, I just had to check out the Hanso web site. The bottom half of the site is buried under my toolbar and there's no scroll bar at the side. It's like the page is too big for my screen. Is there a way for me to adjust my settings so that the full page appears on my screen without being cut off?

I'm not very computer savvy so if anyone can help me it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[ForeverAutumn]

Here's a link where you'll find the Hanso Foundation commercial, the documents from the Web site, as mentioned above...and an MP3 recording of what, I'm assuming, are the messages from the 1-877 number in the commercial. There are some very interesting things in the messages. Enjoy....

http://www.lostlinks.net/hanso.htm

[topspeed]

But, before I retire for the evening I have to ask....did anyone catch the commercial for the Hanso Foundation during the commercial breaks last night???? I'm gonna guess not since no-one's mentioned it. It was real short and almost over before my brain registed what it was.
Honestly, I switch over to AI during the breaks to see who gets eliminated. BUT, I did catch a bit of that and like you, it was almost surreal in that I was asking myself "Did that just say Hanso on the screen?" From lostblog.com, where I pulled the transcript of the letters, they say you can enter an extension and get a recording in Italian which, loosely translated, basically says to go to thehansofoundation.org, give the password (breakingstrain), and tells you to look for clues to the show.

[ForeverAutumn]

The sheer brilliance of inserting this commercial just boggles my mind.

Although I watched the show on ABC at 9:00, I taped it from CTV at 7:00. I have run through my tape twice now, looking for the commercial...it's not there. It was only shown on ABC. Since the Canadian network inserts their own Canadian commercials, they must have removed the Hanso Foundation commercial. What a shame. That, alone, is enough reason for me to make sure that I only watch this show on ABC from now on.

[GMichael]

The sheer brilliance of inserting this commercial just boggles my mind.

Although I watched the show on ABC at 9:00, I taped it from CTV at 7:00. I have run through my tape twice now, looking for the commercial...it's not there. It was only shown on ABC. Since the Canadian network inserts their own Canadian commercials, they must have removed the Hanso Foundation commercial. What a shame. That, alone, is enough reason for me to make sure that I only watch this show on ABC from now on.

Or tape the one from ABC.

[ForeverAutumn]

Okay, as tired as I am, I just had to check out the Hanso web site. The bottom half of the site is buried under my toolbar and there's no scroll bar at the side. It's like the page is too big for my screen. Is there a way for me to adjust my settings so that the full page appears on my screen without being cut off?

I'm not very computer savvy so if anyone can help me it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

C'mon guys...I really need your help here. This website is un-usable. How do I get it to fit my screen? :(

[Kam]

C'mon guys...I really need your help here. This website is un-usable. How do I get it to fit my screen? :(

couple things to try: simple, but in case ya hadnt thought of it, maximizing the screen, i didnt have any scroll bars on when i visited the website either, but maximizing the screen brought it all on the one page.

next thing can try is change your settings:

1. Right click on your desktop
2. go to properties
3. click on the settings tab
4. increase your screen resolution (should be at 1024 x 768, but might need to make it higher just to view the website, then can switch it back).

your desktop should look huge now with all the icons being really tiny. this should help.
lemme know if that works!! :)

[ForeverAutumn]

couple things to try: simple, but in case ya hadnt thought of it, maximizing the screen, i didnt have any scroll bars on when i visited the website either, but maximizing the screen brought it all on the one page.

next thing can try is change your settings:

1. Right click on your desktop
2. go to properties
3. click on the settings tab
4. increase your screen resolution (should be at 1024 x 768, but might need to make it higher just to view the website, then can switch it back).

your desktop should look huge now with all the icons being really tiny. this should help.
lemme know if that works!! :)

The page was maximized. That's not the problem. I tried to increase my screen resolution. My resolution is only 800 x 600. I tried to increase it to 1024 x 768, but I just got a message saying "out of range" and it went back to 800 x 600. My moniter is pretty old...maybe I need a new one? I shouldn't really though, not just for one web site.

[Kam]

The page was maximized. That's not the problem. I tried to increase my screen resolution. My resolution is only 800 x 600. I tried to increase it to 1024 x 768, but I just got a message saying "out of range" and it went back to 800 x 600. My moniter is pretty old...maybe I need a new one? I shouldn't really though, not just for one web site.

am on my mac at home now, so not sure what the exact sequence is, but the other option to try is going to tools on IE, or might be internet options, and the option there of text size or image size or something like that, can make things bigger and smaller in there, but you're right, normally shouldnt effect your web viewing in general unless you're noticing this on other pages. if its just this website... maybe dharma knows.... maybe... maybe they're watching us.... maybe.... the collective conscious is trying to... ok, sorry about that, i'm back. so try that last thing with the text size and shrinking it, might make things fit. lemme know if that works, i'll think up something else!

[ForeverAutumn]

I tried that this afternoon...didn't work. Thanks anyway.

[ForeverAutumn]

I found an MP3 on the internet of the first chapter of Bad Twins. The whole file is 16 minutes long and I don't have time to listen to the whole thing right now. But....I did listen to the first couple of minutes which is an audio note from the Editors of the book. The Editor speaks a little bit about the author, Gary Troup, and happens to mention that one of the reasons that Gary liked to travel to Sidney so often was that he was in love with an airline attendant named Cindy (I didn't write down her last name). Could that be the Cindy that was kidnapped by The Others while Ana-Lucia et al were making their way to the Fusies beach???

[Kam]

I found an MP3 on the internet of the first chapter of Bad Twins. The whole file is 16 minutes long and I don't have time to listen to the whole thing right now. But....I did listen to the first couple of minutes which is an audio note from the Editors of the book. The Editor speaks a little bit about the author, Gary Troup, and happens to mention that one of the reasons that Gary liked to travel to Sidney so often was that he was in love with an airline attendant named Cindy (I didn't write down her last name). Could that be the Cindy that was kidnapped by The Others while Ana-Lucia et al were making their way to the Fusies beach???

i wouldnt be surprised at all. makes sense too to have that be his connection to sydney. seems like the further and further they pull out, the more and more we see how interconnected everyone really is.

[ForeverAutumn]

Here's the Editorial Review of Bad Twin from Amazon. I just love the last line of the last paragraph..."where to turn when all seems lost."

Oh, and by the way, someone pointed out that Gary Troup is an anagram for Purgatory. :yikes:


Book Description
Sometimes evil has a familiar face . . .
Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now.

His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for.

But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life.

Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

Bad Twin is a work of fiction and all names, characters and incidents are used fictitiously; the author himself is a fictional character.

About the Author
Bad Twin is the highly-anticipated new novel by acclaimed mystery writer Gary Troup. Bad Twin was delivered to Hyperion just days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead.

[Kam]

reported on imdb:

Lost co-creator J.J. Abrams, who temporarily left the series to direct Mission: Impossible III, says that those who took over the show have created an "incredible" season finale, due to air on May 24. In an interview with the New York Post, Abrams said: "The ending of this year in Lost blows the ending of last season out of the water." Abrams gave no hint about how the episode will unfold. "It's not out of the blue," he said, "but what happens at the very end of this year, for me, it's the greatest finale I have ever heard."

[Groundbeef]

Yeah, I can only imagine how good it will be. The writing is very tight, and the acting is quite good. Can only hope that Walt gets out.

Interesting to see how things are shaping up.

[ForeverAutumn]

reported on imdb:

Lost co-creator J.J. Abrams, who temporarily left the series to direct Mission: Impossible III, says that those who took over the show have created an "incredible" season finale, due to air on May 24. In an interview with the New York Post, Abrams said: "The ending of this year in Lost blows the ending of last season out of the water." Abrams gave no hint about how the episode will unfold. "It's not out of the blue," he said, "but what happens at the very end of this year, for me, it's the greatest finale I have ever heard."

Not exactly an unbiased source. What's he supposed to say? "Oh the people who I left in charge, while I left the show to work on MI III just did a god awful job with the season finale. I'm embarrassed to even have my name associated with it. But there isn't time to make the amount of changes that would be necessary to make this disaster even moderately acceptable, so we're going to air it anyway." :D

If it's only half as good as last week's ending...it'll be great!

P.S. Welcome to page 20!

[ForeverAutumn]

I was rewinding my tape, and watched the closing scene of last week's episode again. Something that didn't really register the first time around... and just goes to show how great the writers are at building suspence and how great the acting is...three people get shot, two die, and not one drop of blood is shown.

Ana-Lucia's bullet lands below the TV line. Libby is holding a burlap bag of something in front of her. The very last scene is Michael shooting himself. You see the flash of the gun, but the screen goes black before the bullet hits him.

Amazing.

Edit: Hey, check out this screen cap from last week. I would have never caught this on my own. Totally wacky! http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x20/copcars.jpg

[topspeed]

Wow! I can't believe I missed "http://lost.cubit.net" right smack dab in the middle of the parking lot!

Man, I must be going blind!

[Kam]

Wow! I can't believe I missed "http://lost.cubit.net" right smack dab in the middle of the parking lot!

Man, I must be going blind!

it's amazing when you're looking everywhere for the numbers what you can miss... :D

kinda like the basketball passing/gorilla exercise... scary what the mind can do.

[ForeverAutumn]

"Would you like to watch that again?"

LMAO!!!!

[Kam]

can the show get any better????????

waiting for the screencaps of that fast montage of eko's dream and all the ginormous lost.cubit.net signs that i musta missed plastered all over the place.

and next week... good googly moogly.... trailer was great! love this show.

[ForeverAutumn]

Did you catch the commercial again? What a great way to talk to the viewers without compromising the actual show. Just brilliant. I'm trying to get on to www.sublymonal.com. It's been loading for just over 10 minutes now. I guess half of North America must be trying to get onto this site.

Edit: Myohmyohmy. Lost sites crashing all over the place. I can't get on to LostTV-forum.com, Thehansofoundation.org, or sublymonal.com. ...and the fans go crazy!

[Kam]

ugh no i missed the commercial, am very anti-advertising and skip commercials by doing other stuff. but... will defn check out the site.

also want to see the screenshot of the computer printout, i barely caught a different set of numbers, or at least a different sequence of the numbers.... verrrry interesting....
and 1980 was the copyright date for the hanso video.

[ForeverAutumn]

I have a new theory…it’s a long one, so get comfortable…

We know, without a doubt that there are many experiments going on on the island and that The Hanso Foundation is behind them. I believe that The Others are all employees of THF. They may not have all started out that way. Some of them just landed on the island by boat or plane or balloon or any other possible way, but some of those people who landed on the island, ended up as part of THF.

THF is conducting work that they believe is VERY important. They can’t allow that work to be compromised. So, when someone lands on the island, they have to check the new people out. When it’s appropriate, they may choose to let people in on what they are doing. But of course, they must choose carefully who they let into their fold. So they send in spies. They study the group. They take the people that they want and that they believe will be open to helping their cause. Whatever the cause is, it requires some sort of personal sacrifice which is why they only take the “good” people. People that they believe would be willing to make a personal sacrifice for the greater good. That leaves out people like Sawyer, and Jack, and Kate….people who are too selfish and controlling to allow themselves to be led; people who are too independent; people who think only of themselves first. It also leaves out people like Hurley; Libby; Charlie; and Danielle…drug addicts and the mentally unstable.

The people who have seen what THF is up to are very committed to the work being done. Committed enough to die for it and, if needed, to kill for it. Ethan, Goodwin and Fake-Henry were all put in this position. FH gave us a lot of insight to The Others. We know that there is one man in charge. A man that FH described as Brilliant and obviously looked up to. But while he looked up to this man he was also very afraid of him, pointing out that He will kill FH for failing his mission of getting Locke. Yet, as afraid as FH was, he was committed enough to the cause to die before telling any secrets. He endured Sayid’s torture and he thought on many occasions that The Losties were going to kill him. Through it all, he maintained his story of being Henry and even when he was found out, he gave nothing away.

So, that brings me to Locke. Why do they want Locke? Well, if I’m a scientist and I know that there was some guy who landed on the island in a wheelchair, but now he can walk like the wheelchair never existed, I’d want to meet this person and conduct my own experiments to see what the hell was going on. Locke’s ability to walk has something to do with the “power” of the island. THF needs to confirm the data and they need Locke to do it.

The children were taken to be protected. The Others are compassionate human beings. They have resources that The Losties don’t have. They took the children because they believe that they are in a better position to protect and raise the children; keep them out of harms way; keep them sheltered and fed. It’s better to live in a clean shelter with regular food drops and, most importantly, a controlled environment, than living on a beach where people and the elements are unpredictable.

I also think that, although the electronic equipment that we’ve seen in the hatches is old and outdated, there is more modern equipment being used for the scientific research. We know that supplies can be dropped onto the island, and that a new washer and dryer are in the hatch. That washer and dryer set is there for a reason. It’s a clue that not everything on the island is 20+ years old.

The most important part of this theory is that the people who land on the island can’t be allowed to leave the island. Any attempt to leave will be sabotaged. There are a lot of strange things happening on the island. If someone were to get off of the island and back to civilization and told the authorities what they had experienced they might be written off as crazy and delusional, or someone might take them seriously and investigate. THF does not want their work being investigated. Not until it’s complete.
They are going through a lot of effort to protect what they are doing. The island’s security measures, the secrecy of who they are, the warning to Jack to not cross the line. When the raft was attacked, they could have taken Walt but left the raft intact. They didn’t have to blow it up, but they did. Why? Because if Sawyer, Jin and Michael were saved, then the experiments were at risk.

So, discuss amongst yourself and poke your holes. I know that there’s still a lot of unexplained things, but I think that I’m on to something. Tell me otherwise…

[kexodusc]

:cornut:
I have a new theory…it’s a long one, so get comfortable…
So, discuss amongst yourself and poke your holes. I know that there’s still a lot of unexplained things, but I think that I’m on to something. Tell me otherwise…

Wow, great theory, FA....I pretty much came up with a very similar one to that. In fact, eerily similar...my only "expansion" was that there's something msystic, or scientifically special about the Island, and certain people have an affinity to this specialness. Walt, Locke, Hurley...I also think that THF's reach is global, and a lot of seeds were planted to get all these people (or many of them at least) to Australia and on Flight 815...(or the Island drew them...bad karma, whatever)...

But who knows, they'll throw a wrench in the works next week and we'll have to come up with something else.

What a great episode...can't wait for next week :cornut:

[ForeverAutumn]

:cornut:

my only "expansion" was that there's something msystic, or scientifically special about the Island

I had that thought too. I thought that might be why THF is on that specific island and why they're so protective of it. But I haven't decided whether the island has its own mystical powers, or whether the powers are man-made, manufactured by THF or Widmore Labs, and whether THF is doing their research on these manufactured "powers".

My theory, at this point, only includes the things that I was fairly certain of. Since I don't know what is being researched and why, I chose to leave those details out for now. But it's cool that your theory and mine are so similar.

[Kam]

well if this does turn out to be the mother of all mcguffins, then hitchcock himself would be very proud.

the only problem with a rationale explanation is all the irrational things going on that have brought these particular people to the island. that's what i loved about the brilliant writing. we are sharing locke's pov in seeing how the island is this magical place at first, (his whole line to jack: you're a man of science jack, i'm a man of faith). but then locke loses his faith in the island and after discovering the Pearl Station and watching that video, has had enough, no longer believes. Understandably so too, given what the video said (again with one strategically placed section messed up). Are they all just rats in a maze and given tasks that may or may not have meaning, the importance of which isnt the execution of the task, but the observation of their execution of that task? Certainly seems that way. But then Eko tells locke his story... and seriously, it's rather hard (to take even eko's own language) to mistake coincidence and fate here. His brother dies and takes off in a plane from nigeria and crash lands on this island. Eko ends up in australia (travelling with the missionary?) and meets a girl who had a death/near death experience and tells him about his dead brother who he will see again, gets on a plane and crashes on that same island and eventually sees his brother.... is that coincidence, or is that fate? is it coincidence that the numbers have connected everyone on that island (eko's passport
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x21/ekoPassport.jpg
4, 8, 15, 16, 23 are all on his passport) or is it fate or even something greater, devine intervention-esque that is bringing these particular people to this island?

now to combine both, that it isnt a mcguffin, but THF is investigating this island, that this island has some sort of power that THF has tapped in to wit hthe dharma initiative and they are willing to protect it at all costs because of some info they've found out about the island...

OK.... another issue:

The Pearl Station Orientation Video: i'm gonna have to see it again (haha) but i'm pretty sure they were using green screen in that video. When marvin cambell/mark whitman (why'd he change his name?) was standing in front of the video screens in the pearl station, they were using green screen on the actual tv screens. now they've had green screen compositing around for awhile (was used in star wars) but why would they use it here? it seems rather like overkill when it would have been far easier to just show the screens, especially since the technology was still being tested and refined (hell it still is now). and using green screen for video (at that time in the 80's) was horrible, video resolution just is not capable of effective green screen use (getting verrrrry technical now) but just seems a little odd to have done that, unless i just saw it wrong and it wasnt green screen.

And the printout log: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x21/printout.jpg

apparently is logged every 108 minutes.... interesting... and the numbers that repeat in the sequence on the printout in this case are: 17 05 53 41 29

hmmm more questions.... how could they do that after all this time of not-so-many questions!??

[Resident Loser]

...Michael has his own agenda...rescuing Walt...I'm not sure if it goes any further than that...I think he was truly sorry when he shot AL (and actually said so to her before the fact), but sacrifices must be made...If Jack or Locke had been left to tend FH might the same have happened? Altohough I think neither of them would have handed over the gun...the look on his face after he shot Libby looked to be "OMIGOD! What have I done?" She was in the wrong place, at the wrong time and his was simply a knee-jerk reaction...He had the fertilizer scared out of him when there was the possibility she might reveal him as the shooter, when she died he knew his secret was safe and his plan to get Walt, to foment attack and retribution on the Others, would continue.

FH dangled a carrot in front of Locke and he (Locke) was losing his way...Finding the observation room as a resut of after Eko"s dream may have snapped him back...

P.S. Am I mistaken or was there a camera focused on the observers? They had their own pnuematic tube task to comply with...who wuz wachin' the watchers?

jimHJJ(...Invasion is gettin' interesting BTW...)

[kexodusc]

P.S. Am I mistaken or was there a camera focused on the observers? They had their own pnuematic tube task to comply with...who wuz wachin' the watchers?

jimHJJ(...Invasion is gettin' interesting BTW...)

Yessir...there's a Peeping Tom at Pearl Station....But was it all being recorded? Or just live broadcasts? Maybe they'll use recordings to see who was there before?? To learn the truth about Michael?

An afterthought guys...I'm even more sure that the Swan Station isn't just a meaningless experiment. If it were, why would FH have worked so hard to get to the terminal and enter in the number sequence (or do whatever he did)... unless the Others are lab rats too?

:idea:

[ForeverAutumn]

Yessir...there's a Peeping Tom at Pearl Station....But was it all being recorded? Or just live broadcasts? Maybe they'll use recordings to see who was there before?? To learn the truth about Michael?

An afterthought guys...I'm even more sure that the Swan Station isn't just a meaningless experiment. If it were, why would FH have worked so hard to get to the terminal and enter in the number sequence (or do whatever he did)... unless the Others are lab rats too?

:idea:

FH claims that he didn't push the button. Could he have been just following Locke's instructions just to gain Locke's trust? Remember also, that he claims that his mission was to get Locke and take him back to The Others. A dead Locke isn't a very valuable Locke. FH was scared. He needed Locke.

I think that Walt is a carrot being dangled in front of Micheal. Michael was on a quest to help FH escape, no matter the cost (AL's life, his own arm, Libby was an accident). Perhaps he was told, you get us Henry back and we'll give you Walt. Michael will do anything to protect his son, as any parent would do. The Others know that and now have an opportunity to exploit it and use Michael for their own advantage. He definately has an agenda, but is it his agenda or that of The Others?

[topspeed]

I think that's it, the Others started out as lab rats...they just didn't know it until later.

The video shows how the tube will transport the logs to "us." So if I'm Locke and Eko, I'm following that tube. It can't be that far otherwise it wouldn't maintain sufficient pressure, right?

The montage at the beginning was intersting. It showed pics of a dead body floating in the current, the dirty feet walking by while dragging a teddy bear, the Dharma Swan logo, and a bunch of misc. other stuff. I went frame by frame on the Tivo but didn't find anything shocking. Eko's back story was awesome, but I'm bummed we're never going to see Libby's story, especially after they she intervened at the airport. :(.

Great episode! Next week's looks terrific as well.

[Kam]

did anyone catch that marvin campbell and mark whitman may be twins/different people. marvin in the original orientation video only has one arm, mark has both his arms.

[ForeverAutumn]

marvin in the original orientation video only has one arm, mark has both his arms.

Huh?! I never noticed that he only had one arm. The video is on one of the sites that I have bookmarked at home. I'll have to go back and watch it again.

Maybe one of THF's experiments is cloning and Marvin was a mistake who ended up with only one arm, but Mark turned out okay. :lol:

[Kam]

Huh?! I never noticed that he only had one arm. The video is on one of the sites that I have bookmarked at home. I'll have to go back and watch it again.

Maybe one of THF's experiments is cloning and Marvin was a mistake who ended up with only one arm, but Mark turned out okay. :lol:

that might be a "bad twin" reference from the book too, who knows. but when you watch it, at the beginning of the swan station film, you'll see marvin's left arm is just the sleeve with nothing in it, and when he walks over to demonstrate the control room, you can see there's no arm. also when he does the nameste at the end, he only uses one hand, whereas you can clearly see mark has both his arms in the pearl orientiation video.

the plot, as they say, thickens.....

[Kam]

Tonight is....
"Three Minutes"
A determined Michael convinces Jack and several castaways to help him rescue Walt from "The Others." Meanwhile, Charlie struggles with Eko's decision to discontinue building the church.


some new observations that have been brought to my attention from talking to another lostie friend:

1. nice lil fun tidbit, at the end credits of MI3, JJ Abrams thanks the Hanso Foundation.

2. when claire went to see the pyschic and found out about the adoptive parents, she requested that they sing a song to the baby. when claire was in the hatch with ethan and pushed the button for the baby in the crib, the song played was that song she requested.

3. the widmore corporation's logo was also in the background of charlie's music video (the one where they are in the crib in diapers).

4. does anyone remember how locke knew sawyer's real name was james ford? did he say he saw the name on the passenger manifest? that's what i thought he said, but how would he know that james ford was sawyer? he could see the manifest and know that there is no sawyer on the list, so that's fine, he'd know sawyer was lying about his name, but how did know, of all the names missing, that 'james ford' was the one that belonged to sawyer?

[ForeverAutumn]

1. nice lil fun tidbit, at the end credits of MI3, JJ Abrams thanks the Hanso Foundation.

Love it! That's classic. :cornut:

Only 1 hr and 15 minutes to go! That's right kiddies, I'm watching the 7:00 showing tonight so that I can watch the Amazing Race finale with Hubby, from 8 - 10.

I'll tape the 9:00 Lost on ABC though, so that I can review for Hanso commercials. Besides, I love to see the look on Hubby's face when I watch it at 7:00 and then tell him that I'm taping it at 9:00. He rolls his eyes and shakes his head in such a way that is just sooooo cute. :rolleyes: :nonod:

I get to see it before you. Na na na na na (read in a child's singsong voice).

[ForeverAutumn]

I've already seen it. I know what happens. And you-oo-oo-oo do-o-on't. :15:

[Kam]

I've already seen it. I know what happens. And you-oo-oo-oo do-o-on't. :15:

:p

alrighty then..... so..... another boat is drawn to the island... seemingly empty sailboat or will we have yet another connection, perhaps its hurley's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate. and do we REALLY get to find out what made the plane crash or will they find a way to explain it without explaining it.... a good episode, but defn more of a setup for the finale then anything else. got to see more of the others, AND a lil more information on those lists. so the others must have blackmailed the people to go and take the 9 from the tailies camp that first night just like they did with michael... and then good 'ol walt... they're not what they seem to be huh... interesting... and the boat... and supposedly desmond makes his return next episode...

[ForeverAutumn]

So many ideas going through my head about the boat. Is it a coincidence that Michael asked for a boat then, suddenly, one begins to float towards the island?

As for finding out why the plane crashed...I'm sure that whatever is revealed, it won't answer your questions...it'll only raise more. :ihih:

Kam, I don't understand what you're saying about people being blackmailed to take the 9 tailies from their camp. Don't you think that was The Others kidnapping them? For some reason The Others don't want to just take the Fusies. Maybe they feel that the Fusies are too organized now, there's too many of them and they'll fight back harder than the Tailies were able to. Besides, the Fusies are armed. The Tailies weren't. And, according to Goodwin, the Tailies were taken because they were "good". We know that the four Fusies that The Others are after are no saints. So, what do they want with our four lead characters? I'll bet that after next week, we still won't know the answer to that one.

And, Charlie took the serum. That is going to have significance at some point, I'm sure.

Did you catch the new web site listed on the Hanso Commercial? www.letyourcompassguideyou.com. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet.

[kexodusc]

What can I say? This episode left us with a zillion more questions...there's no way they're gonna answer them all for us in 2 hours next week....we'll be pulling our hair out all summer waiting for season 3.

Who the heck is Ms. Clue?