Okay, So This is the Essential Issue With Regard to, Again, ONKYO Receiver Owners....

[Lexmark3200]

Lets get back to the heart of this issue, because the other one Im having --- regarding if enthusiasts believe RECEIVERS are "good enough" for powering home theater systems on average --- seems to be creating a **** storm in here of angry replies; so let me see if I can concentrate my dilemmas on this other "volume" issue which I would like to SPECIFICALLY and, if possible, ONLY direct toward folks who own ONKYO receivers, preferably non-THX certified models.

It seems on my TX-SR600 ("80 watts x 6" or so Onkyo claims), I need to bring the volume "display number" on the front panel up to at least "50" (using the absolute volume scale, not the dB increments) when watching average Dolby Digital-encoded DVDs; now, I KNOW there are MANY MANY factors here --- the size of the room, how well the DVD was recorded, the kinds of speakers Im running --- but, I wanted to just know, from other folks who have had experience with Onkyo receiver products, if it seemed "normal" to need to bring their volumes when watching DVDs to such a high number like "50" on the display on average in order to get at least adequately loud sound; Onkyo claims this receiver should max out at the number "99" on the display --- but this receiver, the way I have it calibrated, tops out MUCH lower than "99" and I am wondering if thats a problem with the amount of power I have left or headroom I have left being that Im already running most soundtracks at "50" or above already....

Now, like I said in the previous thread, dont get me wrong --- some well-recorded DTS soundtracks like, say, Saving Private Ryan, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down Superbit Edition or U-571 dont need much amplification PAST that "50" mark --- it seems most standard Dolby Digital soundtracks need the added volume......but I am dealing with other variables here which Im wondering are normal in a home theater setting......the room Im using is massive, and there are ambient noise distractions constantly, whether it be four barking dogs in my family's house, people in the adjoining kitchen talking, whatever.....also, it seems the dialogue channel in my 5.1 setup --- EVEN THOUGH I have the center channel bumped THREE DECIBELS higher than the other channels in the receiver's setup menu --- appears obviously softer than the rest of the system; I really gotta crank the receiver up to beyond "50" if Im watching a DVD that is strictly dialogue-heavy without any real action sequences....is this normal? And what about some of you other Onkyo receiver owners or past owners --- did you ever find what I am finding, that under the marking of "50" on the display, there didnt seem to be much sound, regardless of what size room you had your setup in? Do I ultimately need to lose sleep over this "running out of headroom" issue I think Im having; and do some of you other folks, even without Onkyo receivers, often find that when you are using the receiver in multichannel mode to watch a DVD, you need to bring your volumes up pretty high just in order to get "really immersed" in the soundtrack or to fill your room? Does this seem normal?

[nick4433]

Dear Lexmark,
It is posts like yours that have prevented me from total retirement yet. I think (and this may be foolish) that there is still hope in you. Reading from all your posts and yes, I did read them, I have concluded that you are a very unsatisfied buyer of a receiver. You have to IMMEDIATELY sell the Onkyo on ebay and get something else. Until you do that you won't find happiness. You want others to validate your purchase based on what you are telling them and this won't happen in reality.
If you read my reply to your other post in another thread, I did mention that dialog i.e. center channels are the weakest link in receivers. The moment I added external amplification it was as if my center channel came to life. I have tried all sorts of receivers and even the mighty Denon 4802 came up short on the center channel.
The clarity I get on Hotel California from the center channel and the clarity I get from musical instruments through an amplifier is unmatched. A receiver "WILL DO" in many cases but an external amplifier will outperform a receiver's internal amps IMHO.
I will offer you this advise. Go to audiogon.com and buy a decent 5 or 7 channel amp. Buy a decent receiver with preouts and start experiencing Nirvana ASAP.
Let me repeat, your Onkyo is weak in the power dept. and please, this is my opinion and I do not want to get into a pissing contest with anybody here trying to convince me otherwise.
Finally Lexmark, sell the Onkyo and do what I have told you. By the way, are you happy with your Lexmark 3200? You have one, right?

Sincerely,

Nick.

[Lexmark3200]

"It is posts like yours that have prevented me from total retirement yet."

What does this mean exactly?

"I think (and this may be foolish) that there is still hope in you"

Oh really, hope for what and what exactly are you implying? Do you have any idea the level of final education I have received or exactly what kind of person I am on the inside or what constitutes my feelings as a human being or what my favorite flavor of ice cream is or have you ever shook my hand, looked into my eyes, felt good when I smiled around you? My take on these answers would ne "no," but of COURSE you are going to write back, telling me the exact opposite and are going to tell me that you know me exactly, when you, in reality, dont. What can you POSSIBLY mean that it may be FOOLISH that there is still hope in me? Am I not human? What are you getting at?

"Reading from all your posts and yes, I did read them"

Good for you and thank you.

"I have concluded that you are a very unsatisfied buyer of a receiver. You have to IMMEDIATELY sell the Onkyo on ebay and get something else. Until you do that you won't find happiness. You want others to validate your purchase based on what you are telling them and this won't happen in reality."

Thats so far from the truth its not even funny ---- I am simply ASKING if OTHER ONKYO RECEIVER OWNERS need to bring their volumes, on average, beyond the "50" marker on the display. I want to do nothing of what you suggest in this statement.


"If you read my reply to your other post in another thread, I did mention that dialog i.e. center channels are the weakest link in receivers. The moment I added external amplification it was as if my center channel came to life. I have tried all sorts of receivers and even the mighty Denon 4802 came up short on the center channel."

Perhaps I did not remember this part of the last thread where you mentioned this; I cannot believe that someone would need to, though, give up a receiver for separates based SOLELY on the center channel weakness. Still, I DO experience this center channel "deadness" that I have been trying to explain; there seems to be no room-filling "life" to the center position in my system, and THATS WITH cranking the center THREE DECIBLELS higher than the others in the setup menu.

"The clarity I get on Hotel California from the center channel and the clarity I get from musical instruments through an amplifier is unmatched. A receiver "WILL DO" in many cases but an external amplifier will outperform a receiver's internal amps IMHO.
I will offer you this advise. Go to audiogon.com and buy a decent 5 or 7 channel amp. Buy a decent receiver with preouts and start experiencing Nirvana ASAP.
Let me repeat, your Onkyo is weak in the power dept. and please, this is my opinion and I do not want to get into a pissing contest with anybody here trying to convince me otherwise."

You are missing what I am asking, so with all due respect if you dont own an Onkyo, please refrain from commenting further --- I would like to know from OTHER Onkyo receiver owners if it seems "normal" to need to bring the volume up to "50" or higher when watching DVDs, a question by which I get very mixed answers on.....many say yes, but when you say my Onkyo is weak in the power department, I dont think this is really the issue.....some DVD soundtracks REALLY, really explode when I play them back, especially if its a well done DTS track, so my question still remains: why do I need to go beyond the "50" mark on this display or is this normal?

"Finally Lexmark, sell the Onkyo and do what I have told you. By the way, are you happy with your Lexmark 3200? You have one, right?"

Im not selling my Onkyo right now, and your sarcasm is not really called for or necessary. I used to have that printer at work but dont anymore, and I am trying to have my screen name changed through administration.

[JSE]

Lex,

I will try and be civil given our "contentious" history. The answer to your question is the same anwer that was given to you many times several years ago and many times in between. Your sub is the weakest part of your system. If I remember right, you have a 10" Polk sub. It is simply outclassed by many subs out there today for less than $500. Do yourself a favor and demo and SVS, HSU, Paradigm, even a partsexpress DIY Titanic sub. You will be see a HUGE difference. Seperates will not help your sub, a new better sub will help your sub.

And YES, your receiver is more than enough to give you HT bliss when used in conjunction with decent speakers, a good sub and good room acoustics. This is true for any receiver, amp, prepro, etc regardless of cost or power.

With all do respect, this has been answer over and over for you over the last couple of years. If you are not going to do what it takes to make your system better based on the wisdom of the people on this board, then let it rest and don't worry about it. Like the wise Topspeed said, we can't tell you if your receiver is "enough". Only you can. We can only give suggestions on how to improve it.

JSE

[Tarheel_]

First it was the difference between DD EX and DTS ES and the whole 5.1 vs 7.1 speakers stuff...then the subwoofer.......now the AVR.

And lets not forget the old 'now i'm JOHN BEREFORD' name and the same lame discussions.

What gives, everyone here hoped you'd found another forum to harrass.


Next, it'll be the discusson on remote IR distances and the effectiveness of dusting components to improve sound.

[Lexmark3200]

"I will try and be civil given our "contentious" history. The answer to your question is the same anwer that was given to you many times several years ago and many times in between."

I dont recall anything regarding what you are saying here, except for our contentious, unwavering, uncvil history, but okay......


"Your sub is the weakest part of your system. If I remember right, you have a 10" Polk sub. It is simply outclassed by many subs out there today for less than $500. Do yourself a favor and demo and SVS, HSU, Paradigm, even a partsexpress DIY Titanic sub. You will be see a HUGE difference. Seperates will not help your sub, a new better sub will help your sub."

Okay, I'll consider this, but I still dont understand how its going to make a difference in the number of the display I am seeing.

"And YES, your receiver is more than enough to give you HT bliss when used in conjunction with decent speakers, a good sub and good room acoustics. This is true for any receiver, amp, prepro, etc regardless of cost or power."

Thank you; thats what I wanted to know and something the "getleman" (I am having a hard time deciding if thats the proper title for him yet) before you had me worried about with regard to the oppposite, telling me to dump my Onkyo on E Bay and that its nowhere near powerful enough; but now you tell me the opposite, which I believe somehow....

"With all do respect this has been answer over and over for you over the last couple of years."

I dont believe anyone on this board is capable of providing anything resembling "respect" (except for some very "civil" new members), but at any rate, you above statement is not ringing true for me....where did I ever ask about the volume dial number on my unit?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Uh oh.....(Ducks, covers his head, and runs screaming from the room)....

[Lexmark3200]

First it was the difference between DD EX and DTS ES and the whole 5.1 vs 7.1 speakers stuff...then the subwoofer.......now the AVR.

And lets not forget the old 'now i'm JOHN BEREFORD' name and the same lame discussions.

What gives, everyone here hoped you'd found another forum to harrass.


Next, it'll be the discusson on remote IR distances and the effectiveness of dusting components to improve sound.


Well, well.......look who decided to chime in.....it was a matter of time wasnt it.....

First of all, I STILL dont know what you are talking about with regard to John Beresford, and if your definition of "Harassment" is measured by the behavior of your fellow members, I'll take that as a complement, Tarheel......when did I EVER harass anyone on here? I think it is HONESTLY the COMPLETE other way around, my friend. Take a good, long look in that mirror before pointing a finger.

[nick4433]

Thank you; thats what I wanted to know and something the "getleman" (I am having a hard time deciding if thats the proper title for him yet) before you had me worried about with regard to the oppposite, telling me to dump my Onkyo on E Bay and that its nowhere near powerful enough; but now you tell me the opposite, which I believe somehow....
Good, so you were looking for others to validate your purchase. I still think you should dump the Onkyo ASAP!
By the way, which ice cream flavor do you like?

[Lexmark3200]

"Good, so you were looking for others to validate your purchase."

No, I wasnt. And I KNOW I wasnt. I was ASKING other Onkyo receiver owners if it seems normal that their volume displays need to come up to "50" or beyond to create decent volume.

"I still think you should dump the Onkyo ASAP!"

And why is that exactly?

"By the way, which ice cream flavor do you like?"

THATS funny. Had me chuckling a bit knowing what you were going for with this question.....the bating, the bating......come on, you gotta get a new routine.....

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Runs back in....AV equipment is being tossed back and forth...runs back out battered, bruised and confused

[noddin0ff]

My receiver goes to 11.

[Lexmark3200]

My receiver goes to 11.

Very funny.......

[topspeed]

It seems on my TX-SR600 ("80 watts x 6" or so Onkyo claims), I need to bring the volume "display number" on the front panel up to at least "50" (using the absolute volume scale, not the dB increments) when watching average Dolby Digital-encoded DVDs The number is arbitrary. Ignore it as it doesn't mean a thing in the real world. This is audio; trust your ears, not your eyes.
I KNOW there are MANY MANY factors here --- the size of the room, how well the DVD was recorded, the kinds of speakers Im running Don't forget room acoustics, absorbtion rates, room nodes...
also, it seems the dialogue channel in my 5.1 setup --- EVEN THOUGH I have the center channel bumped THREE DECIBELS higher than the other channels in the receiver's setup menu --- appears obviously softer than the rest of the system Did you calibrate your system using an spl meter and calibration disc? If you did and there is still this huge discrepency between your mains and your cc, have you considered the cc's location and whether or not your seating position is on axis? Some cc's are more directional than others and you might want to consider tweaking its position and angle and then recalibrating. If all else fails, chalk it up to a poor cc or bad mix (entirely possible).
I really gotta crank the receiver up to beyond "50" if Im watching a DVD that is strictly dialogue-heavy without any real action sequences....is this normal?There is no normal. Different rooms, different acoustics, different furniture, different hearing, different speakers, blahblahblah.
And what about some of you other Onkyo receiver owners or past owners --- did you ever find what I am finding, that under the marking of "50" on the display, there didnt seem to be much sound, regardless of what size room you had your setup in? There's the rub; you can't say "regardless of what size room you had." In audio, volume is everything. Wouldn't you agree that it is much easier to pressurize a standard 10'x10' room vs. a 18x20 with 20' ceilings? Unless you know of a way to circumvent natural physics, room size is paramount to perceived volume.
Do I ultimately need to lose sleep over this "running out of headroom" issue I think Im having; and do some of you other folks, even without Onkyo receivers, often find that when you are using the receiver in multichannel mode to watch a DVD, you need to bring your volumes up pretty high just in order to get "really immersed" in the soundtrack or to fill your room? Does this seem normal?Again, there is no 'normal.' Unless you feel your Onkyo is straining (audible compression at high volumes or clipping) got to bed and rest easy. You're fine.

[Lexmark3200]

"The number is arbitrary. Ignore it as it doesn't mean a thing in the real world."

Thank you Top Speed; I know the number is arbitrary --- I am WELL aware of that; Im just wondering if OTHER Onkyo receiver owners were experiencing the same things with regard to where power begins to develop on their receivers as well, in GENERAL, which I think is VERY relevant to the subject at hand.


"Did you calibrate your system using an spl meter and calibration disc?"

It has been professionally calibrated by a home theater installation outlet because the system I am running now is being "borrowed" by me for the time being because I recently relocated into my family's house; they had an installer from Southern Nevada Music and Visuals come down and professionally calibrate everything with meters.


"If you did and there is still this huge discrepency between your mains and your cc, have you considered the cc's location and whether or not your seating position is on axis?"

Everything seems to be right here; center channel position is directly on top of the Mitsubishi 55" screen and hits just above ear level when seated in the sweet spot some 15 feet away.


"Some cc's are more directional than others and you might want to consider tweaking its position and angle and then recalibrating. If all else fails, chalk it up to a poor cc or bad mix (entirely possible)."

I realize this, based on many of the DVD reviews I do, that the MIX of the audio may be responsible.....unfortunately, there is no other way to tweak the positioning of the center channel.


"There is no normal. Different rooms, different acoustics, different furniture, different hearing, different speakers, blahblahblah. There's the rub; you can't say "regardless of what size room you had.""

Yes, but what I wanted to know is if OTHER Onkyo receiver owners --- LIKE THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS OF ON OTHER AUDIO RELATED WEBSITES LIKE "HOME THEATER SPOT" DEDICATED TO ONLY ONKYO DISCUSSIONS --- are experiencing the same "lack of developing power below the "50" mark" issue I am having --- I believe this supercedes the statement you make above of things being regardless of blah blah blah....

"Wouldn't you agree that it is much easier to pressurize a standard 10'x10' room vs. a 18x20 with 20' ceilings?"

Yes; hence why Im concerned if this receiver is enough to power this room, if you look in another thread I started in here.....

"Unless you feel your Onkyo is straining (audible compression at high volumes or clipping) got to bed and rest easy. You're fine"

Thank you; I have been experiencing no audible compression or clipping at any levels so far.

[cam]

"I will try and be civil given our "contentious" history. The answer to your question is the same anwer that was given to you many times several years ago and many times in between."

I dont recall anything regarding what you are saying here, except for our contentious, unwavering, uncvil history, but okay......


"Your sub is the weakest part of your system. If I remember right, you have a 10" Polk sub. It is simply outclassed by many subs out there today for less than $500. Do yourself a favor and demo and SVS, HSU, Paradigm, even a partsexpress DIY Titanic sub. You will be see a HUGE difference. Seperates will not help your sub, a new better sub will help your sub."

Okay, I'll consider this, but I still dont understand how its going to make a difference in the number of the display I am seeing.

"And YES, your receiver is more than enough to give you HT bliss when used in conjunction with decent speakers, a good sub and good room acoustics. This is true for any receiver, amp, prepro, etc regardless of cost or power."

Thank you; thats what I wanted to know and something the "getleman" (I am having a hard time deciding if thats the proper title for him yet) before you had me worried about with regard to the oppposite, telling me to dump my Onkyo on E Bay and that its nowhere near powerful enough; but now you tell me the opposite, which I believe somehow....

"With all do respect this has been answer over and over for you over the last couple of years."

I dont believe anyone on this board is capable of providing anything resembling "respect" (except for some very "civil" new members), but at any rate, you above statement is not ringing true for me....where did I ever ask about the volume dial number on my unit?
Hey Lex, do this test for me please. Hopefully all your speakers are set to small, 80 hz and all calibrated properly. My denon goes from + numbers to - numbers so 00 is my reference. Set your onkyo so 50 or 60 or even 70 as long as whatever number you choose, they all read 75db on your spl at your listening position. Now crank up T3 at reference level with NO SUB ON, (I now you like this tracks sound). Hopefully all your speakers are sounding loud and clear, if not either your speakers or your receiver is crapping out and you will have to decide which one. Lets assume the speakers and receiver are keeping up. With no sub on you might be thinking is this it, is this as good as my receiver will ever sound. Now add your sub to the mix at about 4 -7 db higher then the rest. Is it keeping up or is it mudding up the loud clear sound you had with your 5 speakers and receiver. I'm thinking that it may not be keeping up but lets just assume that it is, but barely. On all the low parts everything sounds good, but the loud demanding parts things may sound strained. When one thing in your system sounds strained, everything sounds strained. People always describe that you need lots of power to get the headroom (in your sound) you need so no parts in your system sound strained. The hardest most demanding piece in anyones system to achieve the headroom one needs is the subwoofer. It doesn't matter if you have a denon 1804 like I have or a denon 3805 or 4806, the sub will make or break your system. You add a quality more powerfull sub, you will get a more powerfull overall sound from your existing receiver and speakers as long as your receiver and speakers passed the first test, that they can play T3 loud and clear at reference level with no sub on. I'm rambling but I hope this helps. I sure hope you invest in a HSU or SVS or maybe even a Paradigm PW-2200 like I have, you will not regret it.

[JSE]

"Okay, I'll consider this, but I still dont understand how its going to make a difference in the number of the display I am seeing."

Like Topspeed said, it's arbitrary. Don't worry about what others think, because it's arbitrary. That "number" displayed has nothing to do with the power output. If it sounds good, be happy. To let a number diplayed on your receiver cause this much concern on your part is crazy.

"I dont believe anyone on this board is capable of providing anything resembling "respect"

We all, for the most part, seem to get along pretty good on this board and treat each other with respect.

"(except for some very "civil" new members)"

Give them time.

"but at any rate, you above statement is not ringing true for me....where did I ever ask about the volume dial number on my unit?"

Maybe not as Lexmark 3200.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Peeks in room and asks "is it safe to come in here now"?

[noddin0ff]

Couldn't you find your answer here?
http://www.onkyousa.com/support/

Who can I contact with questions about my Onkyo product?
Please contact our Corporate Headquarters at:
Onkyo USA Corporation
18 Park Way
Upper Saddle River, New Jersey 07458
Tel: 201-785-2600
Fax: 201-785-2650

[Lexmark3200]

Couldn't you find your answer here?
http://www.onkyousa.com/support/

Who can I contact with questions about my Onkyo product?
Please contact our Corporate Headquarters at:
Onkyo USA Corporation
18 Park Way
Upper Saddle River, New Jersey 07458
Tel: 201-785-2600
Fax: 201-785-2650

They had no answer for me on the number issue; but thank you.

[Lexmark3200]

"Like Topspeed said, it's arbitrary. Don't worry about what others think, because it's arbitrary. That "number" displayed has nothing to do with the power output. If it sounds good, be happy. To let a number diplayed on your receiver cause this much concern on your part is crazy."

*sigh* I KNOW the number displayed has nothing at all to do with the power output; Im just wondering, hopefully via other ONKYO RECEIVER OWNERS if it seems normal for power to develop at this number or beyond; thats why the title of the thread reads specifically what it does, or did.


"We all, for the most part, seem to get along pretty good on this board and treat each other with respect."

Questionable, and your comment below goes in direct opposition to what you are saying here; below, you suggest that these NEW MEMBERS WILL eventually become hostile, but yet you say you and the members in here treat each other with respect......which is it?

"Give them time."

See above statement.

"Maybe not as Lexmark 3200."

Not true.

[markw]

"but at any rate, you above statement is not ringing true for me....where did I ever ask about the volume dial number on my unit?"

Maybe not as Lexmark 3200.I've been thinkiing the very same thing for quite some time now. Likewise TLADINY as well.

[JSE]

[QUOTE=Lexmark3200 I KNOW the number displayed has nothing at all to do with the power output; Im just wondering, hopefully via other ONKYO RECEIVER OWNERS if it seems normal for power to develop at this number or beyond[/QUOTE]


Huh? That statement completely contridicts itself.

and

If you will recall, I had your same receiver a few years back. I do remember having the volume set to similiar levels. Seems like DVD's were about 45 to 50 on average, can't remember in regard to what sound formats. I think cable viewing was around the low 30 mark or so. I think. My Yamaha has the same behavior and my even older Onkyo did the same as well.

[Lexmark3200]

"Huh? That statement completely contridicts itself."

Okay: I didnt make this clear because your wording set me up for this; I wanted to know, SIMPLY, from other Onkyo receiver product owners past or present, if it seemed NORMAL to need the volume display to read beyond "50" in order to really feel like the receiver was "kicking in" or "warming up", but you address this below:


"If you will recall, I had your same receiver a few years back. I do remember having the volume set to similiar levels. Seems like DVD's were about 45 to 50 on average, can't remember in regard to what sound formats. I think cable viewing was around the low 30 mark or so. I think. My Yamaha has the same behavior and my even older Onkyo did the same as well"

THESE are the kinds of things I wanted to know; thank you. So it seems normal that I need to watch DVDs ON AVERAGE from 45 to 50? I do no cable watching through this receiver, so its only DVD......but thank you for sharing this information with me.

[Lexmark3200]

I've been thinkiing the very same thing for quite some time now. Likewise TLADINY as well.

See my above reply to JSE, specifically with regard to those who disrespect and harass in here, which he tells me to "give time to" the new members in doing......hmmmmm.....

[Lexmark3200]

"Hopefully all your speakers are set to small, 80 hz and all calibrated properly."

Absolutely yes, all speakers are set to small, subwoofer crossed over properly and calibrated correctly.


"My denon goes from + numbers to - numbers so 00 is my reference. Set your onkyo so 50 or 60 or even 70 as long as whatever number you choose, they all read 75db on your spl at your listening position. Now crank up T3 at reference level with NO SUB ON, (I now you like this tracks sound). Hopefully all your speakers are sounding loud and clear, if not either your speakers or your receiver is crapping out and you will have to decide which one. Lets assume the speakers and receiver are keeping up. With no sub on you might be thinking is this it, is this as good as my receiver will ever sound. Now add your sub to the mix at about 4 -7 db higher then the rest. Is it keeping up or is it mudding up the loud clear sound you had with your 5 speakers and receiver. I'm thinking that it may not be keeping up but lets just assume that it is, but barely. On all the low parts everything sounds good, but the loud demanding parts things may sound strained. When one thing in your system sounds strained, everything sounds strained. People always describe that you need lots of power to get the headroom (in your sound) you need so no parts in your system sound strained. The hardest most demanding piece in anyones system to achieve the headroom one needs is the subwoofer. It doesn't matter if you have a denon 1804 like I have or a denon 3805 or 4806, the sub will make or break your system. You add a quality more powerfull sub, you will get a more powerfull overall sound from your existing receiver and speakers as long as your receiver and speakers passed the first test, that they can play T3 loud and clear at reference level with no sub on. I'm rambling but I hope this helps. I sure hope you invest in a HSU or SVS or maybe even a Paradigm PW-2200 like I have, you will not regret it."

We'll I'll consider an SVS.......

[JSE]

[QUOTE=Lexmark3200THESE are the kinds of things I wanted to know; thank you. So it seems normal that I need to watch DVDs ON AVERAGE from 45 to 50? I do no cable watching through this receiver, so its only DVD......but thank you for sharing this information with me.[/QUOTE]

To take it a step further, 50 on my receiver may produce a completely different SPL than 50 on your receiver. Your 50 may result in my ears bleeding and my 50 may be barely audible to you. It's just a number on a scale. That's why the actual number diplayed is arbitrary. There are many factors that can effect this. Room acoustics, speakers, sources, sound formats, processing, etc. Everyone's is different. That's why someone's answer to your questions really has zero bearing on your sound environment.

[Lexmark3200]

To take it a step further, 50 on my receiver may produce a completely different SPL than 50 on your receiver. Your 50 may result in my ears bleeding and my 50 may be barely audible to you. It's just a number on a scale. That's why the actual number diplayed is arbitrary. There are many factors that can effect this. Room acoustics, speakers, sources, sound formats, processing, etc. Everyone's is different. That's why someone's answer to your questions really has zero bearing on your sound environment."

I UNDERSTAND this.....I just wanted to know if was "seemingly normal" to need to bring an Onkyo receiver --- ANY Onkyo receiver --- beyond the "50" mark to get some good sound out of it.....you know, I am not the ONLY one who discusses this issue; owners of the TX-SR600 and other models of its vintage, discuss this VOLUME DISPLAY ISSUE all the time on sites like cnet.com, where owners review their gear and such; I was just hoping someone in here would have more insight on whether or not this was normal, but I guess that is not going to happen.

Thank you for your time, as you see I speak with a civil tongue in my mouth.

Sincerely Yours.

[nick4433]

I just wanted to know if was "seemingly normal" to need to bring an Onkyo receiver --- ANY Onkyo receiver --- beyond the "50" mark to get some good sound out of it.....you know, I am not the ONLY one who discusses this issue; owners of the TX-SR600 and other models of its vintage, discuss this VOLUME DISPLAY ISSUE all the time on sites like cnet.com, where owners review their gear and such; I was just hoping someone in here would have more insight on whether or not this was normal, but I guess that is not going to happen.
Thank you for your time, as you see I speak with a civil tongue in my mouth.
Sincerely Yours.

Along with ebay you can also try selling it on Audiogon.com. Another idea is to keep it in your bedroom as a secondary HT setup. Man, 50 is waaaaaay to high for any volume control to be. When I had an Onkyo my ears started bleeding at, anyway, you get the point.

[JSE]

"I UNDERSTAND this....."

Actually, it's apparent from your questions and responses, you don't understand this. If you did, you would have no need to even ask the question or continue to dwell on it.

" I was just hoping someone in here would have more insight on whether or not this was normal, but I guess that is not going to happen."

I thought I did?

[Lexmark3200]

"Actually, it's apparent from your questions and responses, you don't understand this. If you did, you would have no need to even ask the question or continue to dwell on it."

ACTUALLY, from your reply below, which is UNTRUE because you hadnt answered the question of where the volume display number should essentially BE for hitting room-filling sound, or, rather, my question directed STRICTLY toward Onkyo receiver owners and if they are getting the same "results" as me with their displays, you dont seem to be getting what Im asking......

"I thought I did?"

Nope.

[Lexmark3200]

Along with ebay you can also try selling it on Audiogon.com. Another idea is to keep it in your bedroom as a secondary HT setup. Man, 50 is waaaaaay to high for any volume control to be. When I had an Onkyo my ears started bleeding at, anyway, you get the point.

Nick, Im not selling my SR600, nor do I have a bedroom situation right now to warrant a HT setup.....but finish what you were saying please......when YOU had YOUR Onkyo, your ears started bleeding at a much lower volume than 50? This was the SR600?

[nick4433]

Nick, Im not selling my SR600, nor do I have a bedroom situation right now to warrant a HT setup.....but finish what you were saying please......when YOU had YOUR Onkyo, your ears started bleeding at a much lower volume than 50? This was the SR600?
OK Lex, I will give you some quality advise if you tell me how old you really are.

[nick250]

I am curious why folks are feeding the troll. Perhaps it is for entertainment. BTW my guess of his age is 13 to 15. I don't suppose he will ever admit it to his actual age so the point may be mute. I do admit I check in from time to time to see how the thread is going. It's kind of like watching a house on fire and you can't stop watching. I would not respond to any of his posts anymore because he seems incapable of processing good advice or appreciate all the time members of this forum have spent trying to help him.

IMHO, YMMV yadda yadda

[Lexmark3200]

"OK Lex, I will give you some quality advise if you tell me how old you really are."

YOU are asking ME how old I am and YOU are spelling "advice" by typing out "ADVISE"?

LOL....LOL......

[Lexmark3200]

"my guess of his age is 13 to 15"

You really think so, based on the language and sentence structure used in my DVD reviews? I AM FAR FROM 13 to 15 years old, buddy.....whether you want to believe that or not.....

"I don't suppose he will ever admit it to his actual age so the point may be mute. I do admit I check in from time to time to see how the thread is going. It's kind of like watching a house on fire and you can't stop watching. I would not respond to any of his posts anymore because he seems incapable of processing good advice or appreciate all the time members of this forum have spent trying to help him"

Another Nick with YET ANOTHER NUMBER ATTACHED TO HIS NAME? What are you guys, butt buddies or something? Come on, you can admit it Nicky........

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Enters the room, looks around, still see them throwing furniture, glass and babies and replies" where is the love!!!"...leaves shaking his head........

[GMichael]

Enters the room, looks around, still see them throwing furniture, glass and babies and replies" where is the love!!!"...leaves shaking his head........

They are just cracking you up huh?

[Tarheel_]

My guess is Lex is 30-34 years old...defintely SINGLE....owns a cat....is lonely...and surfs multiple boards....begins dicussions....attempts to continue them....and does all this in his fruit-of-the-loom undies.

Am i close Lex?

[JSE]

"ACTUALLY, from your reply below, which is UNTRUE because you hadnt answered the question of where the volume display number should essentially BE for hitting room-filling sound"

Yep, you have no clue. No one and I mean NO ONE can answer your question until they come to your mommy and daddy's house and actually turn the volume up themself. I really feel sorry for you now. I actually took the time to try and help thinking maybe since you have been bahaving since your recent return you might actually listen to the advise given to you. But no, you are still the same old TLADINY/Lexmark3200/John Baresford you used to be. Same person who can't deal with life around him so he finds happiness and a false sense of self worth by posting on this forum. It's really sad.

" or, rather, my question directed STRICTLY toward Onkyo receiver owners and if they are getting the same "results" as me with their displays, you dont seem to be getting what Im asking......

"I thought I did?"

Nope"

Actually I did get it and gave you a specific correct answer to your question. But by accepting my answer or even acknowledging it means you can't continue to troll for a conflict or that false sense of self worth I mentioned above. So, I'm done.

Go with Nick's advise. At least he did not get dupped by your old ways. Man, I'm getting soft. In the old days, I would have ripped you a new one from post #1. Well good news, I'm back, your still a liar (truth is a defense) and no one gives a crap about you, except for some newer members that have not gotten to "know you" yet. Like I said, give them time.

Have a nice day.

JSEeeeeeee!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Opens door and peeks in again.....they have run out of furniture glass and babies and now are throwing food, and dishes. ducks, covers head, thumbs his nose at everyone and says..." I see there is no love in the house".."come on gentlemen, let's sing a verse and a chorus of Kum ba Ya"........

[Lexmark3200]

[QUOTE=Tarheel_]My guess is Lex is 30-34 years old...defintely SINGLE....owns a cat....is lonely...and surfs multiple boards....begins dicussions....attempts to continue them....and does all this in his fruit-of-the-loom undies.

Am i close Lex?[/QUOTE


Awwwwwwww.........whats the matter, Tar? My age now has your panties in some kind of bind because you're just a pussy behind a computer screen trying to disprove my writing abilities with this asinine statement you make above? Tisk tisk.....temper temper.....dont get mad because we all know you, the two "Nicks" (LOL) and JSE all take it up the ass, like I said to JSE before......dont be ashamed of, as Matt Damon would say, "putting from the ruff" and trying to cover that by attacking my age and marital status.....shame on you.....just admit you love smoking beef jerky with these other "dudes" that I mentioned, and we'll be all squared away.

LMFAO once again........LMFAO.........

[Lexmark3200]

"Yep, you have no clue."

Because an ******* on an internet board LIKE YOU says so? Why is that?

"No one and I mean NO ONE can answer your question until they come to your mommy and daddy's house and actually turn the volume up themself. I really feel sorry for you now. I actually took the time to try and help thinking maybe since you have been bahaving since your recent return you might actually listen to the advise given to you. But no, you are still the same old TLADINY/Lexmark3200/John Baresford you used to be. Same person who can't deal with life around him so he finds happiness and a false sense of self worth by posting on this forum. It's really sad. "

What the **** are you TALKING about? If theres anyone who is sad, it is YOU and your buddies who come in here to simply chase away the new membership that arrives daily with your flaming of others and constant nonsesne like you post above; I feel sorry for YOU.


"Actually I did get it and gave you a specific correct answer to your question. But by accepting my answer or even acknowledging it means you can't continue to troll for a conflict or that false sense of self worth I mentioned above. So, I'm done."

THATS NOT WHY I ANSWERED IT.....and your continuing replies to me in this context PROVE TO ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS TO SIMPLY HARASS me --- and probably countless others; just LOOK at your replies and how you bait people in......and your buddy up there says that Im the one in my underwear behind a computer screen on internet boards?? And what of YOU guys? Surfing all day, harrasing those who dont live up to your "sarcastic standards"......be done all you want; I dont need to hear from you anyway.

"Go with Nick's advise. At least he did not get dupped by your old ways. Man, I'm getting soft. In the old days, I would have ripped you a new one from post #1."

Dude, you're ripping no one a new ass, believe me.....I'll go the distance no matter HOW far you wanna take it --- and I mean hand to hand combat if you wanna do that as well.....getting soft? Man, I can tell you ARE soft....in alot of ways.....


"Well good news, I'm back, your still a liar (truth is a defense) and no one gives a crap about you, except for some newer members that have not gotten to "know you" yet. Like I said, give them time. "

SO YOU DO ADMIT THAT PEOPLE JOIN THIS BOARD TO BE OVERTLY AGGRESSIVE AND HARASS PEOPLE ---- THATS I WANT KNOWN AND IN WRITING......the new members we are speaking of are, and I am guessing, far from massive dickheads like you and your friends in here.........you're back? Big deal.....I dont even know what that MEANS let anone GIVE A **** about that threat......Im a liar? Not even in your wildest childhood oriented fantasies, my friend.

"Have a nice day. "

Oh, now that I got that off my chest, I sure will.......you too, *******......:)

[nick4433]

"OK Lex, I will give you some quality advise if you tell me how old you really are."

YOU are asking ME how old I am and YOU are spelling "advice" by typing out "ADVISE"?

LOL....LOL......
Now now Lexmark, what is the matter with you? I have been on this board when you were still attending junior school. Now read the following very slowly.

advise, advice:
'advise' is a verb - it describes something you do: I advise you to take care. 'Advice' is a noun - it describes a thing: My advice is, be careful. This also applies to the other -ise, -ice pairs, such as practise and practice; -ise means a verb, -ice a noun.

Ok, back to the matter at hand, the Onkyo. Have you put it up on ebay yet? Isn't the Onkyo 601 the same receiver that does not even have automatic speaker calibration? That makes that receiver a total piece of CRAP IMHO.
Now be a man and take a hit if you have to on the Onkyo and buy yourself a real audio system for crying out loud. Buy the Denon 5804 or something!

[Lexmark3200]

"Now now Lexmark, what is the matter with you? I have been on this board when you were still attending junior school."

THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.....you DONT know my age, so quit trying to guess.....


Now read the following very slowly.

advise, advice:
'advise' is a verb - it describes something you do: I advise you to take care. 'Advice' is a noun - it describes a thing: My advice is, be careful. This also applies to the other -ise, -ice pairs, such as practise and practice; -ise means a verb, -ice a noun.



Right-----and you said "give me ADVISE" --- do you even realize that you used the word IN THE WRONG CONTEXT????? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? YOU SHOULD HAVE TYPED "ADVICE" IN THE WAY YOU WANTED IT TO COME ACROSS.....DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Jesus Christ man, take some English courses, will you, and stop preaching to the choir......

"Ok, back to the matter at hand, the Onkyo. Have you put it up on ebay yet? Isn't the Onkyo 601 the same receiver that does not even have automatic speaker calibration? That makes that receiver a total piece of CRAP IMHO."

Your opinion is a total piece of crap because just because the receiver doesnt have auto speaker calibration its a piece of crap? Please give me some of whatever it is youre on so I can smoke it too.....and its not the 601, its the 600.....the 601 DID have auto speaker setup....

"Now be a man and take a hit if you have to on the Onkyo and buy yourself a real audio system for crying out loud. Buy the Denon 5804 or something!"

Now,I'll give you Denon because those are the only two receiver brands I would consider.....but Im just as much a man for choosing the Onkyo, thank you anyway.

[JSE]

"Because an ******* on an internet board LIKE YOU says so? Why is that?"

No not me, you do a fine job of proving this on your own. Ha!

"What the **** are you TALKING about? If theres anyone who is sad, it is YOU and your buddies who come in here to simply chase away the new membership that arrives daily with your flaming of others and constant nonsesne like you post above; I feel sorry for YOU."

Me and my buddies? Ok, whatever. We chase away new members? Who and when? Please, show me.

"THATS NOT WHY I ANSWERED IT.....and your continuing replies to me in this context PROVE TO ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS TO SIMPLY HARASS me"

Harass you? I tried to help you. I gave you an correct, experienced answer and you still ignore it and anyone else who tries to help.

" --- and probably countless others; just LOOK at your replies and how you bait people in......"

Huh? Countless others? Who?

"Dude, you're ripping no one a new ass, believe me.....I'll go the distance no matter HOW far you wanna take it --- and I mean hand to hand combat if you wanna do that as well.....getting soft? Man, I can tell you ARE soft....in alot of ways....."

In my best nerdy voice....... "and I mean hand to hand combat". OK sparky, calm down there. Hmmm????? I see me holding one hand out holding your head while you swing away in hopes of landing a tap.

"SO YOU DO ADMIT THAT PEOPLE JOIN THIS BOARD TO BE OVERTLY AGGRESSIVE AND HARASS PEOPLE ---- THATS I WANT KNOWN AND IN WRITING......"

Another, Huh? I actually try to help people.

"Im a liar? Not even in your wildest childhood oriented fantasies, my friend."

Now now TLADINY, we all that's not true. And that, IS in writing. Liars always get caught up in the details. It continually gets harder and harder to keep it all straight. But you know that already don't you? Been trying to burn an LP's to CD lately? Ha!


Oh, now that I got that off my chest, I sure will.......you too, *******......:)

Always do.

[Lexmark3200]

Oh come on now, Mr. JSE.....you can admit it to me.....dont be afraid.......you, the two "Nicks" in here and Tarheel over there all take it up the ass in nightly orgies with each other.....come on.....its nothing to be ashamed of.....we all know anyway.....

LMFAO........LMFAO.........

[JSE]

Oh come on now, Mr. JSE.....you can admit it to me.....dont be afraid.......you, the two "Nicks" in here and Tarheel over there all take it up the ass in nightly orgies with each other.....come on.....its nothing to be ashamed of.....we all know anyway.....

LMFAO........LMFAO.........

WOW! Now that's class!

I have to admit, I have heard Tarheel is a looker? :p Nick4433, not so much. :D

JSE

[Lexmark3200]

WOW! Now that's class!

I have to admit, I have heard Tarheel is a looker? :p Nick4433, not so much. :D

JSE


Oh yeah? Got your sources scoping out the lookers in that.....how do we say it....."other" population thats a bit light in the loafers?

Well, this numbered Dick --- I mean Nick ---- whoops, sorry, my fingers slipped (you must be used to that; fingers slipping that is) is not so much a looker, eh? Well, just throw a bag over his head like we all do with the broads we dont really like to look at while we're plowin em, right JSE?

LMFAO

[JSE]

Oh yeah? Got your sources scoping out the lookers in that.....how do we say it....."other" population thats a bit light in the loafers?"

You forgot to add the famous Seinfeld quote, "Not that there is anything wrong with that" after your statement. Man, I love that show.

[Lexmark3200]

You forgot to add the famous Seinfeld quote, "Not that there is anything wrong with that" after your statement. Man, I love that show.

You're RIGHT --- I DID forget to mention that after the statement.....man, what a show that was, you are right....so sad they took it off the air. Somehow, all these actors --- Richards, Alexander, Seinfeld, Dreyfuss --- cant seem to make it on their own as any spinoff shows just seem to go down the toilet; they all seemed to have a magic about them when they came together and thats what made the show great. It is going to be a CLASSIC sitcom in the annals of TV showdom.....

[noddin0ff]

That this thread is still going is the best argument yet against the existence of a loving God.

[topspeed]

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