• 06-17-2010, 01:44 PM
    frenchmon
    http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...193d617d_b.jpg

    This looks very inviting...To bad you are not around the corner from me....I would love to plug it into the Rotel and Cantons...im lusting ...now!
  • 06-17-2010, 01:58 PM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    That table with the glass platter is just stunning. The arm sorta looks like a fatter version of the arm on my MMF 2.1

    I will like to make a platform like the one you table is resting on if you dont mind?

    I'd be honored to have you make a platform like mine. We'll be platform brothers!
  • 06-17-2010, 02:05 PM
    poppachubby
    Frenchmon, the old Systemdek tables had glass platters also. They had beautiful wood plinths. I posted one for you to look at when you were first deciding. You can get them for a great price nowadays, usually with a decent arm/cart already installed.

    The EICO is one of my finest acquisitions. Bought from an eccentric DIY'er for a song. You indeed need to hear what a rectifier can do for a circuit.

    Keep in mind, one of the Yahoo EICO Group mods lives in the same city as me. If you bought an EICO, or any similar vintage American tube pre, he could fix it up for you. I could get you a deal for sure.

    Here's his site, look under HF-85 to see what he has done with my model.

    http://sites.google.com/site/vintagetubeaudio/home
  • 06-17-2010, 04:43 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    I'd be honored to have you make a platform like mine. We'll be platform brothers!

    Well thank you sir...a fine gent you are.
  • 06-17-2010, 04:48 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Frenchmon, the old Systemdek tables had glass platters also. They had beautiful wood plinths. I posted one for you to look at when you were first deciding. You can get them for a great price nowadays, usually with a decent arm/cart already installed.

    The EICO is one of my finest acquisitions. Bought from an eccentric DIY'er for a song. You indeed need to hear what a rectifier can do for a circuit.

    Keep in mind, one of the Yahoo EICO Group mods lives in the same city as me. If you bought an EICO, or any similar vintage American tube pre, he could fix it up for you. I could get you a deal for sure.

    Here's his site, look under HF-85 to see what he has done with my model.

    http://sites.google.com/site/vintagetubeaudio/home

    So if its a tubed preamp...and the Golden tube is an amp...are they paired together? IF so, do you have to much of a warm sound going on? if not what do you have each mated with? Is it a hybrid system? How have you got your system set up?
  • 06-17-2010, 05:11 PM
    poppachubby
    Yes the EICO and the SE40 are together. Not hybrid at all. Of course the overall sound is "warm", but the EICO added fidelity more than anything else. The high frequencies come screaming out of my speakers, and bass can thump and bump.

    I know you have heard good tube systems, so you know what I'm talking about. There are some people who think that any amount of tubes in the chain, means the sound becomes a warm pile of mush. The reality is, combined with the rectifier the fidelity is through the roof. Better than any component i have owned. Academic elements like imaging and staging, are bolstered to detailed and exciting levels, while the feel and sound of the music is natural and compelling.

    I had a Kenwood Basic C1 with the SE40. The jump in SQ once I added the EICO was phenomenal.

    Aside from that, my sig lists my Reference chain.
  • 06-17-2010, 05:14 PM
    poppachubby
    Hahaha, hey I just thought about that. Frenchie I worry you may have too much solid state. It's too solid fenchie, you must lessen the state.
  • 06-17-2010, 06:10 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Hahaha, hey I just thought about that. Frenchie I worry you may have too much solid state. It's too solid fenchie, you must lessen the state.

    You can never have to much solid state if you got the right solid state. My solid is not piercing at all. Cable and speaker wire has something to do with it as well as speakers with emotion. The worst thing you can do is get a sterile pair of speakers...ahhh I hate sterile and cold speakers...they tend not to have any life if you ask me. Dont think tubes is the only way to introduce sweetness with a little warmth into your system. I know you heard that Reference Marantz at that audio show....that was solid state. And im sure they didnt have it set up to where they got the max out of the gear....Reference Marantz is not edgy at all for solid state. With the right cable and speaker wire and CDP the Marantz can be just as warm as tubes.

    Hey...this solid will move you....I garuntee!
  • 07-05-2010, 01:15 PM
    02audionoob
    I sold the MMF-5, today. I should've asked the buyer if I could post his picture in my AR thread. :)
  • 07-05-2010, 01:44 PM
    poppachubby
    It's the end of an era.
  • 07-05-2010, 02:16 PM
    Jack in Wilmington
    Noob, you can't see it, but there's a tear in my eye. Frenchie and I will keep the Music Hall flag flying.
  • 07-05-2010, 02:18 PM
    02audionoob
    I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.
  • 07-05-2010, 05:47 PM
    poppachubby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.

    On a positive note, where will the money go? I'm thinking Goldring LOMC...
  • 07-05-2010, 05:49 PM
    02audionoob
    I have a new friend Frank who would like to have some of it.

    http://groovetracer.com/
  • 07-05-2010, 05:52 PM
    poppachubby
    So which upgrade?
  • 07-05-2010, 05:54 PM
    02audionoob
    The subplatter looks like the most bang for your buck.
  • 07-05-2010, 05:57 PM
    poppachubby
    Hmmmm, I think you should stick with the Goldring. The Rega is still new to you, whereas the Goldring has been sought after for some time. Down the road, once the Rega starts to sound bland, spice it up with the subplatter.
  • 07-09-2010, 08:21 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    I've been crying, too. I thought long and hard about how to have a good use for the MMF-5 and just couldn't come up with anything. The little guy needed somewhere to get some real action.

    She would have loved to take up space in the guest room with the nice looking vintage receiver you have in there....
  • 07-09-2010, 08:25 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Hmmmm, I think you should stick with the Goldring. The Rega is still new to you, whereas the Goldring has been sought after for some time. Down the road, once the Rega starts to sound bland, spice it up with the subplatter.

    You think it will start to sound bland down the road???
  • 07-09-2010, 08:35 PM
    02audionoob
    Frank was able to ship one right out to me...

    http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/...e12773ec_b.jpg
  • 07-09-2010, 08:39 PM
    frenchmon
    Looks good! How does the sub-plater add to more fidelity? Is it because of the mass?
  • 07-09-2010, 09:44 PM
    02audionoob
    For one thing, it improves the accuracy. I timed it for 3 minutes and it spun a dead-on 100 turns. Also, it spins smoother. The sound is just a bit clearer...sounds a little more detailed. It's a subtle difference, but I'm happy with it.
  • 07-09-2010, 09:53 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    but I'm happy with it.
    And thats the bottom line...
  • 07-10-2010, 03:17 AM
    poppachubby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    You think it will start to sound bland down the road???

    I just meant his ears becoming attuned, you get bored.
  • 07-10-2010, 03:20 AM
    poppachubby
    is that available for all models?
  • 07-10-2010, 08:21 AM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poppachubby
    is that available for all models?

    Almost. The P7 and P9 already have something even better.
  • 07-17-2010, 03:47 PM
    02audionoob
  • 07-20-2010, 11:57 AM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob

    Never heard of them but they sure are nice looking...I wonder how they sound. Are they your speakers? I see you Focal's.
  • 07-20-2010, 03:18 PM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    Never heard of them but they sure are nice looking...I wonder how they sound. Are they your speakers? I see you Focal's.

    Yes...they're mine. The Focal speakers are on the Marantz receiver. The ProAc are on the Audio Research amp.

    ProAc seem to be most famous for their Response 1SC, which is a little 2-way that has been replaced by a model (Response D1) that is not quite as highly regarded. It uses different drivers than the 1SC. In these floorstanders, called the Response Tri-Tower, the top two drivers are reportedly the same as the 1SC and are in their own chamber. Below that are three small woofers. There's a port in the bottom. I got these from an Audiogon seller and have been very happy with them. They can sometimes sound just a tad light on the bass, but I knew that going in.
  • 08-03-2010, 04:00 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    For one thing, it improves the accuracy. I timed it for 3 minutes and it spun a dead-on 100 turns. Also, it spins smoother. The sound is just a bit clearer...sounds a little more detailed. It's a subtle difference, but I'm happy with it.


    Sounds like it would have the same effect as a speed box.
  • 08-03-2010, 04:03 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    Yes...they're mine. The Focal speakers are on the Marantz receiver. The ProAc are on the Audio Research amp.

    ProAc seem to be most famous for their Response 1SC, which is a little 2-way that has been replaced by a model (Response D1) that is not quite as highly regarded. It uses different drivers than the 1SC. In these floorstanders, called the Response Tri-Tower, the top two drivers are reportedly the same as the 1SC and are in their own chamber. Below that are three small woofers. There's a port in the bottom. I got these from an Audiogon seller and have been very happy with them. They can sometimes sound just a tad light on the bass, but I knew that going in.

    Does ProAc make their own drivers?
  • 08-03-2010, 04:15 PM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    Does ProAc make their own drivers?

    No...they're ScanSpeak, SEAS and Vifa, as far as I know.
  • 08-03-2010, 04:23 PM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    Sounds like it would have the same effect as a speed box.

    Although I haven't spent any time with a Speed Box, I like the concept of the machined subplatter better. The reason for that is that the molded phenolic subplatter is supposedly often out-of-round and of inaccurate diameter. The machined subplatter would presumably solve that. What the Speed Box can do is apparently continuously check and correct the motor speed. However, that would correct only the pulley speed, not anything that happens after that. If the subplatter is truly inaccurate, wow would remain.

    I printed out a strobe disc at the Vinyl Engine site and tried it out on the Rega. Not only does the record turn the right number of times over an extended period of time, the bars on the strobe disc never waver. My gut tells me the machined subplatter is the best upgrade you can put on one of these turntables, other than a tonearm.
  • 08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    No...they're ScanSpeak, SEAS and Vifa, as far as I know.

    Wow...some of the best of the best.
  • 08-03-2010, 04:59 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    Although I haven't spent any time with a Speed Box, I like the concept of the machined subplatter better. The reason for that is that the molded phenolic subplatter is supposedly often out-of-round and of inaccurate diameter. The machined subplatter would presumably solve that. What the Speed Box can do is apparently continuously check and correct the motor speed. However, that would correct only the pulley speed, not anything that happens after that. If the subplatter is truly inaccurate, wow would remain.

    I printed out a strobe disc at the Vinyl Engine site and tried it out on the Rega. Not only does the record turn the right number of times over an extended period of time, the bars on the strobe disc never waver. My gut tells me the machined subplatter is the best upgrade you can put on one of these turntables, other than a tonearm.

    Do they make a after market sub platter for pro-ject? I also printed out a strobe disc at VE Can I use a flash light or do I need some sort of florescent light?
  • 08-03-2010, 05:10 PM
    02audionoob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frenchmon
    Do they make a after market sub platter for pro-ject? I also printed out a strobe disc at VE Can I use a flash light or do I need some sort of florescent light?

    The shop that makes the Deep Groove subplatters sold at Musicdirect also used to make one for the mmf-5...don't know if that's still the case. If so, I would guess it must also fit some Pro-Ject models.

    The strobe disc relies on your light being 60 Hz, which is the frequency of your power service. You just need a light that plugs in the wall. A flashlight wouldn't work since it's DC power.
  • 08-04-2010, 03:46 PM
    frenchmon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    The shop that makes the Deep Groove subplatters sold at Musicdirect also used to make one for the mmf-5...don't know if that's still the case. If so, I would guess it must also fit some Pro-Ject models.

    The strobe disc relies on your light being 60 Hz, which is the frequency of your power service. You just need a light that plugs in the wall. A flashlight wouldn't work since it's DC power.

    Thanks noob.
  • 05-11-2013, 03:12 PM
    bob r
    and i agree i am also Addicted
  • 05-12-2013, 07:24 AM
    02audionoob
    That was my first modern turntable. Before that, all had been either Dual or 1970s/80s Japanese models...JVC, CEC, etc.
  • 05-13-2013, 04:29 AM
    bob r
    Thanks
    i think my first TT was by Radio-shack and then i moved up to the Dual and then a B&O with a MMC 5 cart the B&O i still have but it no longer works but it did serve me well i also still have a brand new MMC 3 Cart for the B&O if anyone needs one