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    Talking Geoff's spinning vinyl again!

    Life has brought me full circle, at least audio wise.

    Way back in October of last year I purchased a modest TT, the Marantz 6170, specifically for the vintage Shure V15 type III cartridge that was mounted to it. Well my luck Ebay hasn't been good lately and this was no exception. The cart, the reason I bought the darn TT in the first place, was NFG. In addition my plan to swap the cart into my trusty but old AR-XA TT wasn't going to fly according to my tech, who said the AR needed a bunch of work to bring it up to snuff.

    What to do? Well I had the Marantz, but I would need to get another cart, or I could get another TT. Not thinking the Marantz worthy I pursued getting another TT, coming up short on a couple of deals. One was for a used Music Hall 5.1 with a MC cart, another for a vintage, but really nice Thorens TT also with a Goldring cart. Both of these TT were within driving distance as I was never going to buy a used TT again without first making sure it all worked. Frustrated with coming up short on these auctions I finally decided that getting a decent cart for the Marantz was the way to go. Enter Adam, who at that precise moment in time wanted to upgrade the cart on his TT to a MC cart, and had no need for his lightly used Shure M97xE cart. So Adam whisked the cart off to me and now after having my tech mount the cart with the perfection that only a master of the arcane science of vinylphilia can do.
    So as I write this I am being blissfulyl serenaded by the purely analog sounds of vinyl grooves. And man I an grooving to it!!!
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    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    Ahhh...you've come over to the dark side. Now, may your DAC sit around collecting dust as much as mine.

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    Time to pick up some tasty , new vinyl. Congrats!

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    Welcome to the vinyl side! Glad you could join us. Glad you have a tech you can rely on for all the geometry that a properly mounted cartridge requires. Enjoy!
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    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I'm back spinning vinyl again and enjoying it thoroughly! So far I've only been though a few albums, but I'm shocked on how WELL they were recorded. Every one more dynamic than their CD counterpart? Adam seemed to feel the M97xE was a little dark on his rig, but in my system it's darn near perfect, smooth and extended. Right now I'm listening to an old copy of Jethro Tull's "Greatest Hits" and the flute on "Thick as a Brick" sounds like flute floating right there in space. There's some surface noise though, clicks and pops, but on the whole very enjoyable. Can't wait to hear some quality clean vinyl!
    Audio;
    Ming Da MC34-AB 75wpc
    PS Audio Classic 250. 500wpc into 4 ohms.
    PS Audio 4.5 preamp,
    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    I hear bobsticks is thinking about getting into vinyl. Maybe you can encourage him.
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    Silence of the spam Site Moderator Geoffcin's Avatar
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    In case anyone was wondering...

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    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    "Clicks and pops" sounds like static. Is it cold and dry at your place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMichael
    I hear bobsticks is thinking about getting into vinyl. Maybe you can encourage him.
    Good luck knocking on that door.
    Bernd and I decided it would be right to send him some LP.
    As far as we know, they are just collecting dust. Butg it was hilarious though.

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    Analog? Try to maintain your sanity this time...

    What a great way to start the new year!!!! We hope you'll enjoy what analog has to offer.

    I'm glad that Shure cart is working out for you. I, too, thought the M97xE was bit on a dark side, but it does alot of stuff just right (especially for the price).

    I'm sure there are tweaks you can experiement with, but be sure to enjoy your music.

    Welcome back.
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    well geoff, as long as yer now into vinyl...

    here are online places to hunt:

    http://www.recordsbymail.com/

    http://www.soundstagedirect.com/

    or you could just come to LA where the streets are lined with vinyl.

    ;^)
    ...regards...tr

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    also....

    http://www.jazzloft.com is another source.

    another thing, the shure v15III can probably be rescued by a JICO stylus.
    ...regards...tr

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifitommy
    http://www.jazzloft.com is another source.

    another thing, the shure v15III can probably be rescued by a JICO stylus.
    That's exactly what I thought, but my tech said that the reason I wasn't getting any signal from the right channel was that the circuit was open, ie the cart was broken in a way that fixing it was not possible.
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    PS Audio 4.5 preamp,
    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    maybe its not worth it but

    a call to soundsmith may answer the Q.
    ...regards...tr

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    Awesome that the cart is working out for u. Glad it is getting love instead of collecting dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicAdam
    Awesome that the cart is working out for u. Glad it is getting love instead of collecting dust.
    Thanks, and yeah the cart sounds great! Just like I remembered my old Shure V15 used to.
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    PS Audio Classic 250. 500wpc into 4 ohms.
    PS Audio 4.5 preamp,
    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    Hey Geoff. 02audionoob kindly sent me his old M97xe (100 hrs). I'll have it aligned in the next couple of days. It has some stiff competition in the form of an ever improving Ortofon OMB-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Hey Geoff. 02audionoob kindly sent me his old M97xe (100 hrs). I'll have it aligned in the next couple of days. It has some stiff competition in the form of an ever improving Ortofon OMB-10.
    I'm happy with the sound. Remember I'm going for a "classic" rig with my vinyl setup. For me to approach the CD player I'd have to spend way too much.
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    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffcin
    I'm happy with the sound. Remember I'm going for a "classic" rig with my vinyl setup. For me to approach the CD player I'd have to spend way too much.
    With one of my tables being inputted into my soundcard, I can take on a CD player quite well. Of course, it's not true analog. However, with amazing dynamic range on some of the older LP's and then processed into 24/96, who cares?!? It sounds mint!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppachubby
    With one of my tables being inputted into my soundcard, I can take on a CD player quite well. Of course, it's not true analog. However, with amazing dynamic range on some of the older LP's and then processed into 24/96, who cares?!? It sounds mint!!

    I'm with you on that Poppa. I've just got a mint copy of "Elton John's Greatest hits" and it sounds fantastic on vinyl! I didn't just put together the vinyl rig just for nostalgia, I really wanted to hear records again. There's something about sitting through a whole side of an album that makes you appreciate music a bit more.

    Oh, I use a little trick that I used to do back in the old days; I toss a pillow over the top of the TT dust cover to damp any feedback. Gives you at least 10dB of overhead! Really makes a difference if you like to listen a little little louder.
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    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    Mine comes right off while playing. Do you use a weight or clamp at all Geoff? I had an entry level clamp, it was fun. However, I made myself a couple of weights and wow!! It really does make quite a difference. I posted a couple of pics in a thread...Turntable Weight

    A fine tweak that doesn't cost too much. TTweights.com has some nice stuff. If you have a belt drive don't go too heavy. I have read that 300g on a direct drive is ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppachubby
    Mine comes right off while playing. Do you use a weight or clamp at all Geoff? I had an entry level clamp, it was fun. However, I made myself a couple of weights and wow!! It really does make quite a difference. I posted a couple of pics in a thread...Turntable Weight

    A fine tweak that doesn't cost too much. TTweights.com has some nice stuff. If you have a belt drive don't go too heavy. I have read that 300g on a direct drive is ideal.
    If I took mine off I would have to listen under 80dB or I would get some feedback. With the dustcover on and a pillow over the top I never worry about feedback.

    Weights are cool, but really they work only to stabilize and flatten warped records. How could they affect the sound any other way?
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    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
    Magnepan 3.6r speakers Oak/black,

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    Most warps are on the outer areas of the record, so that's really not the idea of a weight. They could flatten a cupped record from one side, but obviously not both. The idea is to control vibration...not all that different a concept from what you're doing with that pillow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02audionoob
    Most warps are on the outer areas of the record, so that's really not the idea of a weight. They could flatten a cupped record from one side, but obviously not both. The idea is to control vibration...not all that different a concept from what you're doing with that pillow.
    Certainly a heavier platter would have more mass and more resistance to vibration, but I think my platter weights like 3lbs, would a few more ounces make a difference?

    In any case I'm pretty sure that most of the problem comes from the tonearm-headshell-cartridge assembly. I can induce feedback in it even with out it playing, if the volume is set high.
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    Marantz 6170 TT Shure M97e cart.
    Arcam Alpha 9 CD.- 24 bit dCS Ring DAC.
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    Not vibration of the turntable...vibration of the vinyl.

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